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User currently offlineMogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

Given that Qatar already code-shares with ANA, Asiana, bmi, LH, US, and its very close ties to United, I'd expect QR to join Star very soon.

However, in this article on WSJ today (http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091027-713600.html) :

"However, Star members do see limits to the alliance's ability expand in some regions. Hussein Massoud, chairman and chief executive of Egyptair, said there was no room for a third Middle East carrier to join his company and Turkish Airlines in Star. Fast-growing Middle East carriers such as Emirates, Etihad and Qatar Airways are not members of any global alliance."

My questions are :

1. Do you expected QR and StarAlliance tie-up in the near future?

2. Is QR really that big a threat to Egyptair's ability to connect passengers? (i mean, we have NH/OZ right next to each other, as well as TG/SQ)

3. Would EgyptAir defect S.A. if QR joins? Is the gain of QR more important than the potential loss of MS?

4. And more generically, is it good or bad for an alliance to allow more than 1 dominant carrier per region?

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User currently offlineYeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 882 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

As for question #1, I would answer with one word: Nein!
LH has made it quite clear they see the gulf carriers as a grave threat.

For example:
"Thierry Antinori, Lufthansa's Executive Vice President of Marketing and Sales, was reported saying that there was an "imbalance" in competition because his airline could only have "limited" market access because of the UAE's smaller size while Gulf airlines can serve several German routes."
http://asiantravelguide.wordpress.co...gulf-airlines-challenge-lufthansa/

And at least one analyst agrees as to the threat posed to Lufthansa: "Germany's geographical population spread is much more decentralized than that of France or the U.K. So by definition, Lufthansa is more dependent on the hub-and-spoke model and connecting traffic than rivals Air France-KLM and BA who have large single population centers in Paris and London...And worse news is pending, at least according to Goldman Sachs: "We believe Emirates could be the largest long-haul airline in the world by 2012 and it can make the same returns as the Europeans on prices 45% lower. All the European carriers are set to suffer as a result.""
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...thansa's%20Streamlining%20Process

yeo



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User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1326 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

I frankly don't think that Star Alliance, or any other alliance for that matter, is big enough to fit the ego of The Poisoned Dwarf (aka. AAB)


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User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

I recall the time when Singapore Airlines joined Star Alliance . . . Thai Airways International threatened to quit the alliance and defect to another, and it was actually being actively courted by the rival alliances.

But in the end, good sense prevailed and Thai Airways International stayed where it saw greater business potential for itself.

Egyptair will have to make that call when it "crossed that bridge". And the only way to prevent any of the Middle-eastern carriers being inducted into Star Alliance is for Egyptair to beef up its connections all over the Middle-east and Africa.

Given the tendency of Qatar Airways' Chairman to lambast everyone - including partners, I am quite certain the other Star Alliance members' CEO will think twice about importing this tendency into the alliance's hitherto rather amicable meeting environment - unless of course QR present such a compelling business proposition to the alliance.

KC Sim


User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 3780 times:

Seriously, it's not like MS operates from DXB and QR from SHJ (i.e. very close to each other), That could pose a problem if they had overlapping networks. The truth is, MS and QR's networks are quite different and when there is a common port of call, coming from somewhere in or originating from CAI or DOH will mean a much longer routing in most cases.

I do see QR, GF and EY joining alliances in the future, it's good there are 3 on the market and there are 3 carriers also  Smile As for EK, they might have other plans...



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User currently offlineYeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 882 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 3642 times:



Quoting MogandoCI (Thread starter):
2. Is QR really that big a threat to Egyptair's ability to connect passengers? (i mean, we have NH/OZ right next to each other, as well as TG/SQ)

Related to this question, how is CAI from a connecting passenger's point of view? Any first hand impressions? (curious)

yeo



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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1669 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 3425 times:

There's room for TK, MS AND QR...and I hope this isn't a veiled threat that MS will quit because joining *A was a positive step overall. QR will give good Gulf & India connections while MS will have Africa and the Middle East west of Doha.

Quoting Yeogeo (Reply 5):
Related to this question, how is CAI from a connecting passenger's point of view? Any first hand impressions? (curious)

The new T3 at CAI changed things significantly. What used to be a hassle is now a relatively easy transfer process that was designed with the passenger in mind. A far cry from T1.


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