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User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 728 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3190 times:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/travel/s...ba-flight-bn102709,0,4188748.story

Broward County commissioners on Tuesday approved seeking permission from the federal government to allow flights to and from Cuba at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport. County officials will also ask the U.S. Department of Treasury to designate Port Everglades as another point of entry.

Spirit Airlines and JetBlue have expressed an interest in starting such flights out of the Fort Lauderdale airport. George estimates the airlines would start offering service a couple of times a week.

Currently three airports have permission to fly to Cuba: Miami, New York-Kennedy and Los Angeles.

Several airports nationwide, including Key West and Tampa, have expressed interest in offering service to Cuba.

If Fort Lauderdale wants to be successful, "I think they better get to Washington," said Vivian Mannerud, owner of Airline Brokers Company, which charters flights from Miami to Cuba. "There are other airports in the U.S. that have been lobbying very heavily to get approved and they have been at it for seven or eight months."

Adding flights to Cuba would not increase costs for the airport.

Said George: "We have the gates, customs and security."


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User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

Very good news

It´s a huge market so we´ll see a big fight for the rights on the route,

Actually AE has daily flight from MIA using ATR to HAV, HOG, SCU, Cienfuego, Santa Clara and Camagüey. AA once a week (Saturdays) B738 for NYC to HAV and I think CO has once a week B738 for LAX.

Quoting Njdevilsin03 (Thread starter):
Several airports nationwide, including Key West and Tampa, have expressed interest in offering service to Cuba.

Almost every big airport in the East Coast, ATL, IAD, EWR.......and some else DFW, HOU, MCI.....and of course many in Florida, FLL, TPA, MCO.....with such a huge Cuban-American population in the area is a nice market.

The main problem is if they can deal with the Cuban Authorities, because they are not easy. I don´t see Cubana flying to the USA so USA airlines won´t have many slots in Cuba.

At least this could be the first step, the beginning of a new era in the relationships between both countries. Although I think that the Cuban government is not prepare yet.

We´ll see....


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2890 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 1):

Actually AE has daily flight from MIA using ATR to HAV, HOG, SCU, Cienfuego, Santa Clara and Camagüey.

HOG and HAV are now 738s.



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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2837 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):

Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 1):

Actually AE has daily flight from MIA using ATR to HAV, HOG, SCU, Cienfuego, Santa Clara and Camagüey.

HOG and HAV are now 738s

How good are the yields on these routes?


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25057 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2817 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 1):
I think CO has once a week B738 for LAX.

Service was dropped after 5-weeks due weak bookings.

TACA will operate 4 roundtrips for the Holidays this year, but otherwise no existing service.



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User currently offlineJaseWGTN From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

Has the embargo for flights been lifted?

When I flew to Cuba on a New Zealand passport I had to go LAX-YYZ-HAV


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2759 times:



Quoting OP3000 (Reply 3):


Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):

Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 1):

Actually AE has daily flight from MIA using ATR to HAV, HOG, SCU, Cienfuego, Santa Clara and Camagüey.

HOG and HAV are now 738s

How good are the yields on these routes?

There are no "yields" per se. The plane is chartered to a third-party company, which charges fares that are set by the U.S. government.



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

So let's say service gets approval. Does this mean I can travel to Cuba with my passport? Do I have to apply for a visa or get permission from the government?


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2672 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 7):
So let's say service gets approval. Does this mean I can travel to Cuba with my passport? Do I have to apply for a visa or get permission from the government?

I don´t think so, It´s only for Cuban-American, the problem is not they cuban side, the problem is the U.S. govt, if you travel to Cuba with your USA passport you will face a penalty, and it´s very high.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
HOG and HAV are now 738s

yes, because the govt, lift the restrictions for Cuban-Americans, before they can only visit the island once every three years.

Quoting JaseWGTN (Reply 5):
Has the embargo for flights been lifted?

not yet, the spanish president has a meeting with Obama and they talked about Cuba, but now Spain has sent a represent to Cuba and they have said NO WAY.....yet. The embargo will remain until Castro Brothers are in charge......

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
which charges fares that are set by the U.S. government.

And usually are very high for such a short route.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2661 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 8):
if you travel to Cuba with your USA passport you will face a penalty, and it´s very high.

Almost nobody gets caught. It's very easy for American to go to Cuba.



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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2655 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):

Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 8):
if you travel to Cuba with your USA passport you will face a penalty, and it´s very high.

Almost nobody gets caught. It's very easy for American to go to Cuba.

That's if you go through a third country. I believe the original question was regarding USA-Cuba flights.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2647 times:



Quoting OP3000 (Reply 10):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):

Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 8):
if you travel to Cuba with your USA passport you will face a penalty, and it´s very high.

Almost nobody gets caught. It's very easy for American to go to Cuba.

That's if you go through a third country. I believe the original question was regarding USA-Cuba flights.

Well, its impossible to "illegally" sneak onto these flights.



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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2578 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):

Well, its impossible to "illegally" sneak onto these flights.

Obviously, but he was asking about the approval for flights from FLL and whether it meant the travel ban would be lifted:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 7):
So let's say service gets approval. Does this mean I can travel to Cuba with my passport?



User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Spirit 24 hour hourly service? If there was no slot restrictions or anything of that nature into Cuba from the States, out of FLL I could see jetBlue at least 4 dailies, Spirit with prob 6 daily and maybe Continental with a flight or two. (On 73G's)


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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2337 times:



Quoting Njdevilsin03 (Thread starter):

Spirit Airlines and JetBlue have expressed an interest in starting such flights out of the Fort Lauderdale airport. George estimates the airlines would start offering service a couple of times a week.

It is my understanding that before those airlines can get in, bi-laterals would have to be rewritten. If the embargo were to ever be lifted, the US-Cuba bilateral would kick in, and in so far as I know, UA (inherited from PA) and CU are the only two airlines allowed to fly between the two countries. I know, UA back in the Gold Coast, who would have thought it. Something tells be Cuba won't agree to 12 USA carriers and 1 Cuban carrier.


User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 986 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2328 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
The main problem is if they can deal with the Cuban Authorities, because they are not easy. I don´t see Cubana flying to the USA so USA airlines won´t have many slots in Cuba.

So far the Obama Administration is open to lifting the travel/trade ban, however, it seems to be the Castro Brothers that are holding up the deal. They appear not willing to stop the trade /travel ban with the USA. It has been over 50 years since the ban went into affect, It's time for it to end.
I feel that if the ban were to be lifted that there would be a great deal on cities in the USA that would be applying for flying rights to Cuba including my home city of MKE. I say come on folks get over it! It was a long time ago. Let the Cuba airlines fly to any city that wants to have service to Cuba. That way Cuba is equal to the US carriers, I'm sure that is what the Cuban officials are looking for.

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User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 986 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2322 times:



Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 14):
Something tells be Cuba won't agree to 12 USA carriers and 1 Cuban carrier.

I think you are right about that one!! Plus I don't think that what I just wrote above would ever happen as well due to the fact that they most likely don't have that many planes.



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User currently offlineFlymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2268 times:



Quoting Njdevilsin03 (Reply 13):
Spirit 24 hour hourly service? If there was no slot restrictions or anything of that nature into Cuba from the States, out of FLL I could see jetBlue at least 4 dailies, Spirit with prob 6 daily and maybe Continental with a flight or two. (On 73G's)

I think many people are forgetting FLL is asking permission to get shedule charter service. The travel ban and embargo have not been lifted. These flights will be for Cuban-Americans with Visas allowing them to visit the nation. Also other people who might be on this flight are press, educational professionals, charity organizations etc.. To go to Cuba legally you need to be on offcial busisness or have family there.

B6 or NK would probably jump on the occasion of flying one of these flights but it is not a flight you can go online and book it. It is a closed charter.

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 15):
Let the Cuba airlines fly to any city that wants to have service to Cuba. That way Cuba is equal to the US carriers, I'm sure that is what the Cuban officials are looking for.

I am not sure but I doubt FAA would allow Cuban Aircraft to fly into or over the US. Actually right now that is the law not sure if it is mainly an embargo thing or more about safety.

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 14):
Something tells be Cuba won't agree to 12 USA carriers and 1 Cuban carrier.

I think Cuban officials would allow every US airline to fly in, they would love charging them and getting all the american money and tourist into their nation. (if the embargo was lifted)
Also lets not forget there are 3 airlines in Cuba Cubana , Aerogaviota and Aerocaribbean. Of course Cubana is the largest one but not the only.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 7):
So let's say service gets approval. Does this mean I can travel to Cuba with my passport? Do I have to apply for a visa or get permission from the government?

Yes, you need to apply for a visa and have either family on the island or be going on some type of offcial busisness.

However it is fairly easy to get into Cuba from the Bahamas or Mexico. Cubana, Aerogaviota and Bahasmasair do not fly from Nassau to Cuba because there are a lot of Bahamains traveling on the route.



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User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Well if the flights were to be resumed between the two countries, normal schedualed flights wouldn't it be logical for one airlines from each side to fly the route?
We know it would be Cubana from Cuba, but which one would it be from the US?


User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2243 times:



Quoting Flymia (Reply 17):

I think Cuban officials would allow every US airline to fly in, they would love charging them and getting all the american money and tourist into their nation. (if the embargo was lifted)

Maybe, but I'm banking on the idea that Cuba, as a LatAm nation, will be strong on treaties when it first opens up. Look at all the LatAm countries and see how many have open skies or liberal treaties, few. Even Mexico is still very protective of it's top money maker routes. And even if the embargo is dropped, I see the US-Cuba relationship heavily influenced by none other than Chavez's people!



Quoting Flymia (Reply 17):
However it is fairly easy to get into Cuba from the Bahamas or Mexico. Cubana, Aerogaviota and Bahasmasair do not fly from Nassau to Cuba because there are a lot of Bahamains traveling on the route.

Absolutely correcto on this one! In fact, If one would have a look at the rosters of UP flying to Cuba, it would be interesting to see how many would link up to similar names of people in South Florida! Check out the boardings of Copa from Panama and see how many Americans are on that flight. I remember walking in a mall in Guatemala City and the travel agent was quick to sell us tickets to Cuba. Once he found out my travel partners are Americans (I've got other passports), he was quick to point out that there would be NO problems for them tofly PTY-HAV-PTY without ''Bush'' finding out.


User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2135 times:



Quoting Flymia (Reply 17):
I am not sure but I doubt FAA would allow Cuban Aircraft to fly into or over the US. Actually right now that is the law not sure if it is mainly an embargo thing or more about safety.

Cubana planes are allow to overfly the US territory when they are on route to YUL and YYZ. It was a deal because if they don´t have this permission, Cuba was not going to allow US airlines overflying Cuba.

Quoting Flymia (Reply 17):
I think Cuban officials would allow every US airline to fly in, they would love charging them and getting all the american money and tourist into their nation. (if the embargo was lifted)
Also lets not forget there are 3 airlines in Cuba Cubana , Aerogaviota and Aerocaribbean. Of course Cubana is the largest one but not the only.

I have been 2 years flying for Aerocaribbean, and yes 3 airlines in Cuba with 3 different names and offices, but all belongs to to the same governtment so they are only 1, or even worst, Aerogaviota belong to the Cuban Air Force, they do charters but they have many problems when they want to do international flights.

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 19):
Even Mexico is still very protective of it's top money maker routes.

Cuban officials now don´t want US airlines in the territory because they think that planes are people against the revolution, so they want to keep the country as closed as possible, they want the money that´s why they allow to overfly the country.

We all know that this market is very big and not only to HAV, as well to CCC, CYO, VRA, HOG but don´t expect an open skies between both countries, it will be a slow and tidy process, with many restrictions in the beggining......

Quoting Flymia (Reply 17):
However it is fairly easy to get into Cuba from the Bahamas or Mexico. Cubana, Aerogaviota and Bahasmasair do not fly from Nassau to Cuba because there are a lot of Bahamains traveling on the route.

Correct, I used to do many flights to Cancun and Nassau, althought this flights belongs to Cubana we used to do for them in Aerocaribbean, many Cuban-American in that flight mainly to the west side of cuba, cuban for the east side uses SDQ-Santiago de Cuba flight.

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 19):
Absolutely correcto on this one! In fact, If one would have a look at the rosters of UP flying to Cuba, it would be interesting to see how many would link up to similar names of people in South Florida! Check out the boardings of Copa from Panama and see how many Americans are on that flight. I remember walking in a mall in Guatemala City and the travel agent was quick to sell us tickets to Cuba. Once he found out my travel partners are Americans (I've got other passports), he was quick to point out that there would be NO problems for them tofly PTY-HAV-PTY without ''Bush'' finding out.


Yes and when the US Citizens arrive to Cuba they don´t get the Cuban border stamp in the passport to avoid problems with the USA authorities later.

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 19):
And even if the embargo is dropped, I see the US-Cuba relationship heavily influenced by none other than Chavez's people!

I´m not very sure about it, Chavez will be out of Venezuela in 3 years, and I think the next Cuban govt will be less closser to him in order to avoid problems.


After more than 2 years living and working in Cuba I must say that this Ban is a non-sense, and it is not only a ban for the Cubans is as well a ban for the US citizens because you can´t visit a wonderful place, I´m quite sure that you will enjoy very much Cuba in a not very far future......I hope so.


User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2063 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 20):

I have been 2 years flying for Aerocaribbean, and yes 3 airlines in Cuba with 3 different names and offices, but all belongs to to the same governtment so they are only 1, or even worst, Aerogaviota belong to the Cuban Air Force, they do charters but they have many problems when they want to do international flights.

Yes, very correct. That is the problem with any centralized economy, it all belongs to one owner. Different names and corporation, but one ultimate owner. No different than American Airlines, American Eagle and Executive Airlines.

Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 20):

Yes and when the US Citizens arrive to Cuba they don´t get the Cuban border stamp in the passport to avoid problems with the USA authorities later.

Exactly. Cuban officials are very careful of that.

Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 20):

I´m not very sure about it, Chavez will be out of Venezuela in 3 years, and I think the next Cuban govt will be less closser to him in order to avoid problems.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Hugo has been known to change many things around Venezuela including the constitution and even time  Wink

Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 20):

After more than 2 years living and working in Cuba I must say that this Ban is a non-sense, and it is not only a ban for the Cubans is as well a ban for the US citizens because you can´t visit a wonderful place, I´m quite sure that you will enjoy very much Cuba in a not very far future......I hope so.

I can visit it anytime I want as I have passports that allow me to visit Cuba anytime I want. And as you've said yourself, many Americans still visit Cuba eventhough it is illegal. That is why it is an embargo rather than a ban; however, like you, I personally feel that the embargo is ridiculous; however, if I had lost land/property and possessions in 1956, I might not feel the same way, so to a certain extent, I understand the reason for the embargo. This is a point that MANY Europeans seem to forget. Unlike many Cuban Americans that went through personal horrors, many Europeans only see Cuba as a land of vacation paradise and beautiful beaches. Europeans didn't have this problem in their backyard. Europe didn't have thousands after thousands arrive on rafts on their shores. As someone who lives in Miami, I can tell you many horror stories of what life was like in Cuba back them. Very different from the Cuba of today that craves currency,.


User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1973 times:



Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 21):
if I had lost land/property and possessions in 1956, I might not feel the same way,

It is true, of course and it will be a very big problem in the future.

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 21):
Europe didn't have thousands after thousands arrive on rafts on their shores. As someone who lives in Miami, I can tell you many horror stories of what life was like in Cuba back them. Very different from the Cuba of today that craves currency,.

We do have, specially in spain, with rafts arriving the canary islands everyday from all africa and rafts crossing Gibraltar from Marocco, and the same in Italy, Malta, and crossing walking, by bus, in trucks from the east Europe.....so We do have this....

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 21):
No different than American Airlines, American Eagle and Executive Airlines.

It is even worst in Cuba, because they can´t do anything, absolutely anything, Aerocaribbean has been trying to get rights to operate to Nassau, Freeport, Cancun, Gran Cayman, Belize and many more destinations, but they have always the same answer, NO, the routes belong to Cubana but they don´t use them, but we can´t fly them as well, because Cubana doesn´t want, as well Aerocaribbean ATR´s are perfect for some routes, much better than Cubana TU-204 and YAK-42.
But for example we used to do some very odd routes for ATR´s like Managua, CCS and all the east antilles (FDF, Dominica, Martinica......) direct from HAV and SCU.


User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1937 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 22):
It is even worst in Cuba, because they can´t do anything, absolutely anything, Aerocaribbean has been trying to get rights to operate to Nassau, Freeport, Cancun, Gran Cayman, Belize and many more destinations, but they have always the same answer, NO, the routes belong to Cubana but they don´t use them, but we can´t fly them as well, because Cubana doesn´t want, as well Aerocaribbean ATR´s are perfect for some routes, much better than Cubana TU-204 and YAK-42.
But for example we used to do some very odd routes for ATR´s like Managua, CCS and all the east antilles (FDF, Dominica, Martinica......) direct from HAV and SCU.

I know that Aerocaribbean flies to SDQ and I think CU does not any more. What other international routes do they serve?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1910 times:



Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 15):

So far the Obama Administration is open to lifting the travel/trade ban, however, it seems to be the Castro Brothers that are holding up the deal. They appear not willing to stop the trade /travel ban with the USA.

Huh?

Cuba welcomes American tourists. Cuba has no ban on Americans visiting. Americans visit Cuba by the thousands every month, arriving via the Cayman Islands, Mexico, Canada and the Bahamas. Cuba doesn't even stamp American passports, so that Americans don't get into trouble.



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25 MIgAiR54 : We do: HAV-SCU-PAP (2xweek) HAV-SCU-SDQ (2xweek). HAV-MNG-SAP (1xweek). HAV-BZE (1xweek). HAV-TNT (1xweek) HAV-NAS when Cubana wants only, now it is
26 OP3000 : Thanks for the info. Are you flying HAV-MNG-SAP on the ATRs?
27 MIgAiR54 : Yes we do, every Saturday, sometimes we do as well with Il-18, but it is an ATR route. HAVAN-MANAGUA-SAN PEDRO SULA-HAVANA This is of the odd routes
28 Viscount724 : Isn't there still a risk that someone you tell about your trip to Cuba could turn you in to U.S. authorities? Are the potential penalties worth the r
29 MAH4546 : The last thing authorities are going to waste their time with is Americans visiting Cuba. It's just not important. Yes, its a "risk," but nobody gets
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