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US Further Cuts LAS, 5 Intl Routes  
User currently offlineRafflesking From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 22435 times:

Just got a press release from US. Key highlights (plenty more in the release found a click off the link below):

http://www.usairways.com/awa/content...vestorrelations/pressreleases.aspx

- LAS cut from 64 to 36 departures
- BHX, LGW, MXP, SNN, ARN discontinued from PHL
- Rights to PEK returned to government
- LAS, BOS, LGA crew bases to close

99% of traffic will flow between PHL, CLT, PHX and DCA now.

Also, the COS and ICT stations will close.

[Edited 2009-10-28 13:31:42 by srbmod]

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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2915 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 22433 times:



Quoting Rafflesking (Thread starter):
Rights to PEK returned to government

No surprise there. Many here predicted this would never take to the skies.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 22228 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):
No surprise there. Many here predicted this would never take to the skies.

Which goes to show that there is right now more frequencies available to allocate than there are takers among US airlines. Since new frequencies become available in either 2010 or 2011 and in subsequent years, it is not likely all US-China frequencies will be allocated for years to come.

Quoting Rafflesking (Thread starter):
- BHX, LGW, MXP, SNN, ARN discontinued from PHL

Highlights that much of US' int'l expansion was not sustainable long-term.
I believe DL will be the only US carrier left at LGW.
DL's JFKARN add makes even more sense given US' pulldown of ARN.
Italy becomes a DL/AZ, AA, CO market - pretty concentrated for what I believe is the 4th largest market in Europe.

Quoting Rafflesking (Thread starter):
LAS, BOS, LGA crew bases to close

pretty well reduces US to a point to point carrier, dismantling nearly all of US' point to point network... It appears that the Shuttle is apparently the only PTP flying left after the DL/US slot swap.


User currently offlineLoggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 22108 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 3):
I believe DL will be the only US carrier left at LGW

US will still fly the CLT-LGW flight for now until they get their hands on another LHR slot, I imagine.

Also, UAL still serves Italy. IAD-FCO-IAD on flight 966/967. 767-300 service.

[Edited 2009-10-28 10:24:21 by loggat]


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User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1027 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 22074 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 3):
I believe DL will be the only US carrier left at LGW.

US still has its CLT-LGW flight.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2915 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 21940 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 3):
pretty well reduces US to a point to point carrier, dismantling nearly all of US' point to point network... It appears that the Shuttle is apparently the only PTP flying left after the DL/US slot swap.

That is what I am reading into their press release too. They are stating they are "strengthening their core network" and will have 99% of their operations at CLT, PHL, DCA and PHX (and the shuttle, which I predict will eventually be sold off). So by "strengthening" I am assuming they mean "reduce elsewhere and cut 1,000 jobs to strengthen their balance sheet" as opposed to building capacity (boosting) at their three hubs.

I am not faulting them for this action. They need to adapt. I assume very few on here expected LAS to last much longer as a focus/hub. Their network does still lack a mid continent presence. Maybe Parker is getting his airline staged and in order to be sold? Who knows.


User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21759 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 3):
Italy becomes a DL/AZ, AA, CO market - pretty concentrated for what I believe is the 4th largest market in Europe.

Not Italy, just Milan.

Demand to Milan from the US is highly concentrated to just a few cities, namely NYC and Miami. To that point, I believe the only ex-NYC nonstop flight to Milan will be DL's ATL-MXP. IIRC, PHL is the 5th or 6th largest market from the US to Milan but apparently that wasn't enough particularly with it was competing for flow traffic with CO at EWR, AA at JFK, and DL at ATL and JFK.


User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21757 times:

Remember when US was trying to get the PEK route and DL was trying to move into terminal A and Parker "cried" that if DL moved into A then US would not have enough gates and they would have to drop the PEK route? Is he crying now?

User currently offlineSeaMeFly From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21754 times:

The PEK flight authority was such a waste of time of everyone involved!!! They should NEVER even think about applying it knowing that they don't have the source or fund to make it fruitful ..

Hopefully DOT will think twice the next time USAirways tries to apply for something else beyond their limitations...


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7762 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21633 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 6):
Maybe Parker is getting his airline staged and in order to be sold? Who knows.

But by whom? Really at this point I do not see how the existing or even a modified US network really fits with another carrier that could be in a position to buy. Sure they have valuable DCA slots and a newish fleet of Airbus narrow and widebodies, plus some of the coveted ex-ATA 757s....


None of this should really be much of a shocker. I just wonder if the shrinking your way to profitability strategy will work this time with US. Given the number of unresolved issues from the HP/US merger I am rightly pessimistic about their future.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22741 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21565 times:



Quoting DesertJets (Reply 10):
Really at this point I do not see how the existing or even a modified US network really fits with another carrier that could be in a position to buy. Sure they have valuable DCA slots and a newish fleet of Airbus narrow and widebodies, plus some of the coveted ex-ATA 757s....

Everything in the network except PHL would fit reasonably well with AA.



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2915 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21514 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
Everything in the network except PHL would fit reasonably well with AA.

True but I am guessing that Charlotte and the shuttle (and perhaps the buses) would be the only things AA could potentially want.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21486 times:

They also cut back on the ambitions plans they had at DCA. So much for it being a potential "hub" with transcon service and the like. They now claim they will serve eight destinations that had no previous flights to DCA: BHM, ISP, ITH, LIT, MYR, PNS, SAV, and TLH. Nice expansion there, but nothing earth-shattering. Also, this puts the kabosh on their proposed codeshare with QR, since half the cities aren't even served by US going forward.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 3):

WorldTraveler, do you know ANYTHING about US Airways? They will continue to fly to both FCO and VCE, and also continue to fly CLTLGW, although it really should be flown through LHR. There is no reason to keep LGW open for one flight.



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User currently offlineBrandonfsu05 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21448 times:

When they applied for the route it was the right thing to do. Nobody can see in the future...When US went after China flight authority it was the hot thing to do. Nobody knew gas prices would spike to an all time high. Subsequently, nobody knew that shortly after that there would be a global recession. US has had a shitty hand dealt to it... when it comes to hubs, fleets, mergers etc...I think they are doing better than the other airlines despite having shit to work with than some of the other ones which have gold (better hubs, better planes unified labor).

Parker tried to wait on the conditions to get better...but it's better he's bowed out than try to force a route which had the potential to be very unprofitable.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21377 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 13):
They also cut back on the ambitions plans they had at DCA. So much for it being a potential "hub" with transcon service and the like.

Where does it say that? And since when could US have had more transcon service given there are no beyond perimeter slots available?

Nothing in this announcement is that suprising. US is doing the same thing DL, AA, etc are doing....cutting P2P routes and focusing on core hubs.


User currently offlineRW717 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21374 times:

Does anybody know what cities will be cut out of LAS?


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User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21332 times:



Quoting Rafflesking (Thread starter):
- BHX, LGW, MXP, SNN, ARN discontinued from PHL

Ouch didnt they just start BHX or am I getting that confused with another english destination?


User currently offlineTwa727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21241 times:



Quoting EwRkId (Reply 17):
Ouch didnt they just start BHX or am I getting that confused with another english destination?

Yes, they inaugurated that service just back in May of 2009.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22741 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21217 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 12):
True but I am guessing that Charlotte and the shuttle (and perhaps the buses) would be the only things AA could potentially want.

That's basically my list, except I do think PHX would have some value to AA, especially as AS moves away from AA and toward DL; AA is not real strong on the west coast (they've cut a lot of MQ flying out there), and there are quite a few gaps that could be filled in from PHX but not from DFW.

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 13):
They now claim they will serve eight destinations that had no previous flights to DCA: BHM, ISP, ITH, LIT, MYR, PNS, SAV, and TLH. Nice expansion there, but nothing earth-shattering.

Nothing has changed from the initial announcement, which listed those eight cities plus seven that currently have DCA service (CVG, DSM, GRR, MIA, MSN, YOW, and YUL).



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User currently offlineKPHXFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 413 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21033 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
there are quite a few gaps that could be filled in from PHX but not from DFW.

I'm curious what you mean here. What gaps do you have in mind ex-PHX?


User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 20990 times:



Quoting Twa727 (Reply 18):
Yes, they inaugurated that service just back in May of 2009.

Not good at all sorry to hear that for BHX at least they still have CO, hopefully AA will try to fly their from JFK..


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22741 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 20911 times:



Quoting KPHXFlyer (Reply 20):
What gaps do you have in mind ex-PHX?

Secondary markets, like FLG or LGB.

Also keep in mind that for most midwest- and northeast-west coast itineraries, PHX is less out of the way than DFW.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 20855 times:



Quoting Rafflesking (Thread starter):
- BHX, LGW, MXP, SNN, ARN discontinued from PHL

LGW is not a huge shocker with LHR service now available, but aren't at least some of these flights seasonal anyway?

Quoting Rafflesking (Thread starter):
Key highlights

More like lowlights  Wink

Quoting Rafflesking (Thread starter):

- LAS cut from 64 to 36 departures

Ouch.



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User currently offlineWn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 20821 times:



Quoting SeaMeFly (Reply 9):
The PEK flight authority was such a waste of time of everyone involved!!! They should NEVER even think about applying it knowing that they don't have the source or fund to make it fruitful ..

Hopefully DOT will think twice the next time USAirways tries to apply for something else beyond their limitations...

To be fair, the spike in oil prices really killed their ambition to launch the route. They very well may have intended to follow through with the plan they presented to the DOT, however, given what's transpired over the last year and a half, I don't think you can definitively say that it was beyond their limits.



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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6533 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 20822 times:



Quoting KPHXFlyer (Reply 20):
What gaps do you have in mind ex-PHX?

PHX-MSY...former HP route which was never restarted by US. That's a pretty big gap.


25 ScottB : Agreed regarding the Shuttle. With reduced flying at both LGA and BOS, I think it becomes more difficult for US to compete for frequent flyers betwee
26 BA744PHX : question for SNN, BHX, ARN & MXP they use the word suspending... does that mean that they could return in 2011? Also where will they deploy the B762s
27 WA707atMSP : Even though I'm a member of the "pro AA" community here, I think AA would be making a huge mistake even considering a merger with US, given AA's horri
28 Enilria : BTW, the reason they don't call DCA a "hub" is political. They don't want the impression they will "dominate" DCA with a "hub"...even though they wil
29 DesertJets : I will agree to disagree with you there. As a mid-continent megahub DFW works well for American. I do not see it as being prohibitively out of the wa
30 MAH4546 : Rumor is that BHX will return with a 75L when BA ATI moves forward, though I'm hearing from ORD.
31 WorldTraveler : I did forget about CLTLGW. you can't deny that Parker was trying to use the China application as a tool to keep DL from taking some of "US'" gates wh
32 FlyPNS1 : You don't really sell "the Shuttle" as "the Shuttle" really is nothing but a marketing gimick. And I can't see US wanting to sell DCA slots to B6/WN
33 UA933 : Sad to see further cuts at LAS and even more market share shifting towards SW. Seems like nothing is left of the good America West days
34 AM001 : I guess WN must be salivating on the soon-to-be absolute conquest of LAS... with few exceptions. As much as I love WN, this can't be good for us loca
35 Mariner : Oh. I have assumed that Republic will buy some more of those E190's. It's just an assumption, I don't have any "proof." I could be wrong. mariner
36 Brandonfsu05 : DL can only do that because it merged with NW and acquired its NRT hub and DTW planes and other assets...otherwise DL would probably only have the fo
37 TWFirst : RE: LGA... to confirm, US is ending all the US Express flts out of LGA? And will only fly the shuttle and hubs out of LGA? Or it's just ending all non
38 LAXintl : While I tend to agree that single carrier majority markets often have negative downsides, I dont see this with LAS or SWA. Vegas still remains very w
39 Rafflesking : So yes, they will only fly to hubs and the shuttle, but the PHL flights are operated by Express.
40 Cubsrule : Disagree - look at the US/DL merger fiasco. Parker apparently doesn't think about what other carriers want. At the end of the day, I'm not sure it ma
41 Flighty : A lot has changed in the years since that time. But, US deserves praise for having an excellent P/L ratio in China, probably outperforming all compet
42 LACA773 : Maybe we'll see VX pick up some of the select transcon routes out of LAS that US is dropping? Just a thought.
43 WorldTraveler : the whole purpose of the merger was to acquire the foundation to build a Pacific network.... DTW makes a great hub. BTW, all of the new transpac flyi
44 Cubsrule : Right. No one is talking about AA and US actually merging. We're talking about the inside of Doug Parker's head.
45 Apodino : Also, they are keeping the ILM flights from LGA, which are Express. ZW is almost certain to close the LGA crew domicile out of this as well. My one t
46 N1120A : Vegas is an interesting place. It isn't like Hawai'i, which Bob Crandall once famously said he would rather add a frequency to than add an unproven m
47 Sxf24 : Really, that's news to AMR since cash is very precious and financing for tangible fixed assets like aircraft has been difficult (and expensive) to co
48 MAH4546 : Well, that must be news to AA, since last month it announced deals with Citi and GECAS to acquire $2.9B in financing.
49 BP1 : What are the routes being cut and/or reduced from LAS? Thanks, BP1
50 MaverickM11 : I've been hearing that as well, but the shuttle wasn't profitable post 9/11 before B6 and AA, never mind now. Perhaps the clientele it attracts spend
51 Seatback : I still don't understand why AA wouldn't find PHL valuable. WN is pretty contained there and they have a huge O&D. Why wouldn't that work for AA? Lea
52 MAH4546 : Chicago, Detroit, Edmonton, Fort Lauderdale, Minneapolis, Orange County, Sacramento, San Diego, San Jose, Seattle, Toronto, and Vancouver. Probably b
53 Slcdeltarumd11 : Does anyone know what LAS routes are being cut? I didnt think that US had that much LAS flights left anyway COS station closing is bad news! Thats 4 f
54 BigGSFO : Well they are committed to JFK as their east coast gateway. I could see them offering Chicago, Dallas, Miami, JFK, Los Angeles, San Juan and London a
55 FlyPNS1 : The only problem is that AA can't meaningfully grow at JFK. If they balanced operations between PHL and JFK, they might actually grow, plus have a mo
56 Seatback : AA operates a european and carribbean gateway at JFK, but it doesn't really connect pax domestic to domestic which is what PHL does for US. Again, wi
57 LIPZ : Although near-zero competion, Milan keeps loosing services to U.S.
58 AADC10 : US won the route because they were the only major carrier without a China route authority and the DOT has a strange preference for east coast to Chin
59 AVLAirlineFreq : Does anyone know for certain why this is? I've wondered about this ever since the slot swap.
60 Post contains links Lightsaber : Wow! LAS isn't the LAS of 2004/2005. Is us subleasing or returning gates? Back calculating, if 41 flights is 45% growth... That implies LAS peaked at
61 ScottB : It wouldn't be shocking, but I think that 25+ E190's might be a bit much for the current YX/F9 network. Buying ten of the E190's from US did make sen
62 Mariner : You may be right, I don't know what their plans are. Then again, they don't all have to fly for Frontier/Midwest, I guess. mariner
63 MaverickM11 : Really? It's been a slow collapse since 2005
64 USPIT10L : Is DFW still loaded in the skeds? Seems odd to me to keep a sole P2P route when all the rest are either UA codeshare or US focus markets.
65 Enilria : The Shuttle is traditionally a separate entity, although that has ended of late. Essentially the US Shuttle consists of the following assets: E190s M
66 Wn676 : Was last week the year 2008? All I was saying is that market conditions changed after the authority was granted.
67 N1120A : Right. And its traditional O&D base, the auto industry, is up Lake Erie with no paddle. Hence why it really doesn't make much sense anymore. Why woul
68 DeltAirlines : Las Vegas is completely common-use, so US Airways isn't subleasing or returning gates - there will just be much less demand for them now. With this a
69 FlyPNS1 : How can you sell a route? There are no "route authorities" to sell. If US is dumb enough to sell slots to B6, they will pay a far greater price than
70 Apodino : Neither, all the gates in LAS are common use. The airport authority does keep the same gates with one airline in general, but they are all common use
71 AirNovaBAe146 : You nailed it, when most people in this thread have fumbled. Vegas can't support the yields that US needs to have a hub there, especially when they'r
72 MaverickM11 : It seems like the entire South end of the airport is going to be tumbleweeds between DL underusing A and US mostly gone at B, and both are relatively
73 Apodino : E recently got a facelift with new checkin areas, but it does need more work. But the big reason why this wont happen is simple, where are you going
74 TOLtommy : Closing ICT? Gotta figure they got tired of competing against subsidized FL in that market....
75 OP3000 : Unfortunately, I see CO's entry into *A further hurting US' European routes from PHL, which will now have to compete with a more complete transatlanti
76 DeltAirlines : It'd be tough but doable, based on the following: US Airways requires 4 gates for mainline/E-Jet (non-LGA/DCA) flying, plus 5 parking positions for U
77 FL787 : I hope this was a joke because I don't think flights to ATL and PHX were competing at all unless passengers were going ICT-PHX-MCO or ICT-ATL-LAX.
78 Lightsaber : Exactly. But if one takes a step back and compares the peak to now... I'm floored by the delta. In rough numbers, US (HP) is at a quarter of their pe
79 Humberside : I know it has since been mentioned that this is only true in the case of Milan, but what stands out to me is that considering LH have established a M
80 Commavia : On this announcement in general - I think it's smart for USAirways, which already has a less-than-ideal network structure to begin with, to retrench t
81 McCarranMGR : Yes, LAS is full common use however airlines do lease "preferential" gates. US currently have 9 so there is no doubt that they will not continue to u
82 KITH : Any idea on a time line for the new DCA flights? Aircraft type? -Matt in KITH
83 DeltAirlines : Terminal A has picked up a good bit of activity now. Delta mainline is up to around 54 departures now, plus another 10 large RJs. Throw in the 3 dail
84 OP3000 : This kind of an operation would be a couple of years away if US continues on the path its going. For the most part, I think US should actually downsi
85 Apodino : I will buy the G4 off gate argument, but one question remains. If the airport owns all of the equipment involved, what cost is involved in a move? To
86 SANFan : Can anyone elaborate on this a bit? I've seen that US has already d/g'd all 3 SAN-LAS flights from mainline to RJs; is that it or will they be comple
87 ScottB : LAS-DFW may still be profitable as AA is the only other competitor with non-stop flights. US actually has higher average fares on LAS-DFW than they d
88 COERJ145 : With the NW and AS operation added, A is pretty full at least on the mainline side. The CRJ/ERJ commuter gates are underutilized with most DL connect
89 Mariner : Again, I'm sure all you say may be true, but I can't predict the future. I'll simply say, again, that I would not fall over in shock if the 15 x E190
90 MaverickM11 : In terms of total departures they're down 15-20% YOY, and every time I fly through BOS, which is a few times a year, that terminal is real quiet.
91 DeltAirlines : Orlando is gone, Fresno is staying (at a daily CRJ).
92 McCarranMGR : The airlines build out their leased space. Upon vacating their leased space they have to leave it as is. If G4 were to move into the B gates for exam
93 ScottB : It's certainly possible, but highly unlikely. There's really no reason to rebuild a hub at LAS that duplicates what PHX offers for connections and wh
94 Hondah35 : Yes, these "strengths" are exactly what had US headed toward liquidation until Parker and crew stepped in. The fact of the matter is that US has got
95 DeltAirlines : Those numbers are heavily influenced by the loss of much CRJ flying at Boston by Delta - many smaller cities have been discontinued now. There's also
96 AT777 : I work at a dealership in Charlotte and have heard from 3 people that have worked at USAirways for over 10 years that US/AA are up to something. What
97 Luckyone : This may be a dumb question, but what's the point of consolidating alliance partners at a non-hub/connecting airport? Boston isn't exactly known as a
98 MAH4546 : If AA/US are up to something, the last it will mean is making CLT a bigger international hub.
99 WorldTraveler : yes, that is true.... but AA has not shown any interest in growing much of anywhere... at some point they will have to address that from a strategic
100 Max999 : US Air got the China authority in early 2008. Oil prices were hovering around $90 / barrel at that time and the economy was already starting to falte
101 Ridgid727 : So with US being alliance partners with UA and now CO, this should be great for them. Sell their own pro-rate seats on UA and CO, and make out better
102 AirNovaBAe146 : LAS will be fine. It will be just like what happened at MCO, with the LCC's gradually making up from what US chopped. Expect WN, B6, Virgin America,
103 Wn676 : IIRC oil was still in the $80-90 range when they applied. When I mean spike, I'm looking more in the $120-130 range, which came about just over a yea
104 Post contains images MaverickM11 : They had no plane to fly it, nothing on the horizon, and the route wasn't that promising anyway. ATLPVG and IADPEK were about as promising as PHLPEK
105 OA412 : Which is why I'm skeptical when I hear talk about DFW or IAH-China.
106 MaverickM11 : Rightly so
107 CokePopper : I have a feeling those who worked for TWA thought the same thing. Especially those in the St.Louis area
108 HouStrategies : The only way it might make sense is all of the commodity business going on these days between China and Latin America. China is developing more busin
109 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : Allegiant has done a pretty good job at moving in at LAS
110 Rgreenftm : Does anyone think that with US cutting SEA that AS might pick up an addl frequency or two? I know their LF is high on that route, but I'm not sure the
111 MasseyBrown : Makes sense. US's position in Star is now analogous to CO's recent position in Skyteam. AA (and Oneworld) will be a better fit and also help to balan
112 CatIII : And face it, AA has a lot of debt, and that could lead to CHapter 11. And at that point, all bets are off. Why not, the NW takeover of DL worked just
113 ABQopsHP : Is it my imagination or can US not keep any kind of mass in the western USA? After the PS merger things slowly bled away, and now it looks like a repe
114 ScottB : LGA-BOS certainly is still marketed as Delta Shuttle and has been since they got it from Pan Am, but DCA-BOS is not part of Delta Shuttle and I don't
115 MAH4546 : We could only hope. AA is in far too good condition to file for Chapter 11. I am a big propoent of AA filing for bankruptcy, because I am extremely a
116 EA CO AS : Huh? How do you figure - AS isn't moving away from AA, and they certainly don't offer anything to AA at PHX. Definitely. AS does very well in the SEA
117 Bobnwa : I do not remember US ever marketing BOS-DCA as the shuttle,but then again, neither the DL or US shuttle has been an actual shuttle for many years.
118 Post contains links ScottB : They still do. It's in the timetable with markings to designate it as US Airways Shuttle and http://usairways.com/shuttle references the BOS-DCA flig
119 BigGSFO : Virgin will probably want some of these too. Which makes me wonder, how long can US squat on SNA slots before surrendering them? Are they able to "se
120 MasseyBrown : DL got the DCA-BOS route with the NE acquisition; it predates their shuttle operation.
121 FATFlyer : Actually the FAT-LAS route has 3 non-stop airlines: US, G4 and UAX (4 Brasilias per day). US looks to change from 2X daily (afternoon and evening dep
122 DeltaL1011man : No they aren't. DL is still sitting on 7x weekly ATL-PVG and 2x weekly Anywhere in China to anywhere in the US. NW won 7x weekly DTW-PVG when US won
123 Cubsrule : Delta is now the preferred international codeshare carrier for AS; as they get closer with DL, they must move further from AA. At PHX, AS offers noth
124 Catiii : My apology. Read too quickly and thought he meant LGA-BOS.
125 Cmk10 : I'm going to miss picking up extra miles by going PHX-LAS-XXX instead of PHX-XXX. Also, with all these BOS reductions, are they going to give up some
126 Sflaflight : Why MUST they move away from AA? AS is a separate airline that can do what it wants. It can codeshare with as many people as it wants. Now if DL has
127 BigGSFO : They aren't. AS is in the position of gaining revenue from the #1 and #2 airlines...there is no need to forfeit any of that.
128 LAXintl : Per the earning call last week, Alaska was asked about this. Their response was that AA is and will continue to remain a significant partners, and do
129 Cubsrule : Not internationally... the international agreement with DL is exclusive.
130 PHLBOS : The only rumor that might have had a spec of truth to it was that US was pondering on getting 5 A340s from AC; but the deal never became reality. Wha
131 Brandonfsu05 : I wasn't talking about frequencies they would possess...I was talking about whether they would use those frequencies now. Given the economic circumst
132 Flighty : What are you talking about? The point of a company like US is to make money for shareholders. Not to fly to China or other goals. That's beside the p
133 MaverickM11 : What part is exclusive? AS international or OA international? Both QF and DL still codeshare on flights connecting to SYD, for instance.
134 Cubsrule : It's not, my mistake. It's preferential - no one really knows what that means, but the Delta fanboys seem to think it'll give Delta a huge advantage
135 USAirALB : Notice how US said that they have the option of starting China in the future. I do believe they will get there, someday. I also believe that by giving
136 Wn676 : If I remember correctly, US intends to apply next year, or whenever the DOT offers up new authorities.
137 ExFATboy : I'd say the two "bleeds" aren't related - today's "US AIrways" is really America West under a new name, HP was the acquirer. I think we're more likel
138 Travelin man : Who did US beat out with the PHL-PEK route when the authorities were awarded? Does DOT start all over again for this authority, or do they go "down th
139 MAH4546 : US Airways will not be flying to China for a long, long time. It was obvious from day one that Philadelphia-Beijing was never going to launch. What a
140 USAirALB : Really, source? With what A/C? Are they just waiting for the 350s? I believe, like I said before, they look good in DOTS eyes.
141 MAH4546 : For what purpose? Not starting a route three years later and finally giving up? It doesn't make them look good, though it's not like it makes them lo
142 Mark8762 : Routes being cut out of LAS are: In December - LAS- DTW / YYZ / MSP / SEA / SJC / SMF / YVR / YEG In January - LAS-SAN In February - LAS-FLL / MCO / O
143 Hondah35 : The real question is whether or not BHX will be cut before they finish using the inflight napkins that announce the start of the BHX flying, LOL.
144 USAiralb : i suspect some european routes will return.
145 Post contains links FATFlyer : According to the Las Vegas Sun: US Airways also will trim its schedule of flights from two flights to one a day to Boston on Dec. 2; two to one to Fr
146 WhatUsaid : Hey FAT, the FAT-LAS 7am is a placeholder. I would expect that what is left is the evening turn to LAS. I noted your earlier comment about downgradin
147 FATFlyer : Interesting, I would think the 7am grabbing some eastbound business traffic to the remaining cities would be better than a late in the day CRJ chasin
148 Post contains links Byrdluvs747 : You must be referring to this article. "Alaska Airlines, Delta strike new partnership" Its mostly marketing smoke and mirrors fluff. As AS' website c
149 SANFan : On February 1, SAN-LAS becomes another monopoly route out of Lindbergh Field for WN! (And just a couple of months ago, AA gave WN the SAN-SJC route a
150 Maverick623 : Well, no, not really. Or at least, not anymore. It's true that US was probably weeks, some say days, away from Chapter 7. HP, while running into some
151 PlanesNTrains : Perhaps as part of a stand-alone Shuttle product? -Dave
152 F9Animal : It is very very sad. HP had a bank of red eye flights out of LAS. I remember when the lines would go out the door, and how full their flight were. I
153 PHLBOS : And call it Shuttle America, perhaps? Similar happened with the PI merger; although the CLT hub is one of the only structural elements from that aqui
154 AJMIA : The AA hub at RDU and the USAir hub at CLT are two VERY different animals. AA RDU was a north/south connector which had big banks of connections foll
155 ScottB : The problem is that "the deals were also great." That red-eye utilization-driven traffic flow no longer made sense once jet fuel was above a buck a g
156 Commavia : Definitely true - although, I will say this: I know several reasonable cost-concious but equally schedule-sensitive travelers who used to love the HP
157 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : With these European envoy configured routes all being discontinued is there any chance that we will see more Domestic flying with envoy seats?
158 EMB170 : I have to agree. AA could use the fleet (the buses make nice older MD80 replacements); if the 757s are compatible engine wise they bolster their flee
159 PlanesNTrains : I remember pricing itineraries on line several years ago, and it was sometimes cheapest to fly HP in First Class via LAS and take a 3 hours late nigh
160 Lightsaber : I'm shocked they're giving up on them too. Is demand down that much, or has the CASM risen to far for US/HP to be profitable on the routes? I'm aware
161 Flighty : The old US had a better more lucrative network. Today the old US network still survives almost intact. After the merger they must have realized, hey,
162 Gilesdavies : Real shame to see BHX vanish from US Airways' network... The airport had invested heavily in marketing the route and the possible onward connections t
163 Apodino : Interesting tidbit on this. I was reading a Q and A that was sent to all the employees. Of the pilot furloughs about 80 percent will come from the Eas
164 LIPZ : After removal of service to Birmingham, Milan, Shannon and Stokholm US Airways has just updated its longhaul network for S10. The following is the sit
165 ERJ170 : RDU also had to compete with BNA.. so it had way more competition amongst it's own sibling. If RDU had been utilized much as CLT has been (a true Sou
166 AJMIA : I could not agree more. They should have picked one of the two (probably RDU) and made it into true multi directional hub with a de-peaked schedule.
167 Usairways85 : Are you implying CLT should be the international gateway or just somewhere other than PHL. We've had the CLT vs PHL debate many times and it is obvio
168 Cubsrule : CLT almost certainly has more O&D now than RDU had in the hub days; it has twice as many people as Raleigh-Durham had when it was a hub (and 300,000
169 ERJ170 : The question is not how many more people CLT has than RDU because that point isn't that different.. but if you look at how many people travel to and
170 Cubsrule : My guess is they are about the same. You mention the industries that drive travel in Raleigh-Durham, but Charlotte does have banking and a burgeoning
171 ERJ170 : but does the banking industry really beget traveling? the biotech does, some. I would still say that if you compared the dehubbed CLT vs RDU, you wou
172 Cubsrule : There's not really good publicly-available data to tie specific industries to travel, but we can argue by assertion all we want - so I'll say the ban
173 Wedgetail737 : With US deserting LAS as a hub and some other airline cutbacks, there seems to be plenty of gate space available there. WN is the predominate carrier
174 PlanesNTrains : I know what you're saying, but I can't see a lot of potential for a LCC-type when you have G4 covering the obscure and WN covering much of the rest.
175 Post contains images EA CO AS : HORSEFEATHERS! AS is committed to feeding new DL traffic at LAX/SEA, but that doesn't mean they "move away" from AA in any way whatsoever. Both partn
176 Cubsrule : So "preferred" means nothing? To me, that's the only way that AA doesn't see some negative effect (although it's possible).
177 Byrdluvs747 : Like I posted before you're reading way too much into this marketing jargon. As it relates to AS, the word preferred means nothing since AS' website
178 Cubsrule : No, but the very definition of "preferred" is that DL receives benefits that others do not - so if "preferred" has any meaning whatsoever (and again,
179 ScottB : Why would anyone start a new airline based at one of the largest stations for the largest low-cost, low-fare carrier in existence? National 2.0 faile
180 Byrdluvs747 : Well I still haven't figured out what advantage DL receives over other airlines. Other than the reciprocal lounge access agreement, the control of ro
181 LAXintl : I would not perse call it dumb, as remember National was started in 1999 by Harrah's Entertainment for the specific reason of feeding its hotels, as
182 Ups757 : US Air has jack-up another airline (America West), just like they did to PSA. Sad to see them to cut the SMF-LAS route. Another cave in to Southwest.
183 Byrdluvs747 : I miss America West so much! Such good times flying them to San Diego & the bay area.
184 Post contains links KPHXFlyer : Not only that, National did not get the federal loan guarantee that some of the others got. That certainly didn't help. http://www.treas.gov/offices/
185 ERJ170 : Isn't that backwards? US Airways/America West did all these changes and has jacked up US Airways east coast operations.. it's a shell of what made US
186 Bobnwa : Isn't the surviving carrier in the merger America West? Only the name was changed to US Airways. The ownership and management wenr to HP.
187 USAirALB : Even after all these cutbacks, US still serves the most destinations in EU, behind DL/CO and ahead of UA/AA/old NW
188 Iowaman : Yeah, after all US is so much better on shorthaul flights
189 ScottB : That doesn't exactly argue for the viability of setting up another airline hub at LAS; all it says is that someone/some corporation was willing to th
190 OB1504 : If US Airways was to stop flying altogether, they would also lose basically zero money.
191 Flighty : I agree, and maybe they should. Independence Air had the oppty to walk away with hundreds of millions in cash. Instead they leaked out all their mone
192 Ouboy79 : This is a.net and they hate US here. It has been anti-US for YEARS. That's why.
193 Bobnwa : Gross over statement. I for one do not hate US, and I bet that most non teen age members do not either. In fact, the vast majority do not hate any ai
194 MasseyBrown : Agree! Parker, in my opinion, deserves more respect than he gets on a.net as a financial and airline manager. He does quite well considering what he'
195 SANFan : And, SAN-LAS (cut by US as of 1-31-10) is 258 miles and has TONS of O&D traffic (over 800 PDEW in 1Q09 and over 1,000 PDEW last summer) and now it al
196 MAH4546 : America West jacked themselves up. America West is the purchasing carrier, not US Airways. The new airline took the US Airways name, but it is Americ
197 BigGSFO : Well if those folks at Virgin America ever decide to expand their airline, I can see them adding LAX and SAN to LAS.
198 Iowaman : Yields are low, and WN has the majority of the traffic at SAN and LAS. There is no reason for anyone else to attempt it.
199 SANFan : My bad; I knew there was another carrier I meant to list and you caught it. That's a mighty big "if" you mention there BigG', but some new short-haul
200 Ouboy79 : Lawl. Some people never get over this.
201 MAH4546 : Get over what? There is nothing to "get over." Clearly, routes needed to be trimmed. America West has done the right thing.
202 Ouboy79 : Just your ill informed or poorly educated knowledge of the merger transaction on who bought who. Now if you would have actually paid attention to the
203 Cubsrule : I'm not sure that's actually true - certainly, they still file as AWE, not USA.
204 MasseyBrown : The structure and naming of the current corporation were ad hoc arrangements; but I think its fair to say that, absent the merger, the old US would h
205 FlyPNS1 : It is true. All flights operate under the USAirways certificate. However, as a nod their heritage, US chose to use Cactus as their call sign. This cr
206 Cubsrule : Thanks for the correction - though I'm not sure how much it matters; surely, it was easier to keep the US certificate because no types needed to be a
207 Maverick623 : Guys, it's only 30 or so posts up, maybe you should read it: And yes, I do know what I'm talking about.
208 Ouboy79 : Ack sorry I missed it. :-P
209 Womack17 : I am only supplying numbers to offer some realism to the common misconception that Charlotte is so much larger than Raleigh when the numbers speak di
210 Cubsrule : If you examine MSA populations, the difference is 300,000. I would argue that that's the best of a number of imprecise ways to gauge "service area."
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