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Concorde - Will Anything Ever Be Similar?  
User currently offlineTIKTOKJAKE From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

I am 14 and have just recently become fascinated by Concorde. It is such an amazing aircraft. Im soo sad that at the moment there is nothing even remotely like Concorde. Are there any plans for any other Supersonic aircraft? Any videos or great pics post on here of Concorde or any plans?  Smile)

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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

Not with the technology we have today. Not with jet engines based on burning an oil based fuel.

When I was 14 the future of such aircraft looked solid and definite.

Then the reality of the limits of costs killed the dream. I'm still mad that I cannot take PanAm to the moon.

But that was close to 45 years ago, things we did not even dream about have happened. The very concept of this forum and the internet was beyond the dreams of science fiction writers.

Who knows what wonders you will see by the time you are 60. And one of them might even be affordable, reliable supersonic transport.


User currently offlineTiktokJAKE From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 3855 times:

http://airlineworld.wordpress.com/20.../10/supersonic-business-jet-plans/

User currently offlineAmbanmba From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 6 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

A great book I read when I was in my "Concorde Fascination" phase was "Soviet SST" by Howard Moon. It gives you a great context in which the Concorde (and Tu-144) were developed. It wasn't only a technological race, but a geopolitical one.

The book I think is long out of print, but there are a bunch of them available on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Soviet-SST-Tec...UTF8&s=books&qid=1256851086&sr=8-1

-ambanmba



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User currently offlinePITingres From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1145 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 6 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

With modern teleconferencing tools the need for *scheduled* supersonic travel just doesn't seem to be there. I think there was a thread on this some months back, a search may or may not find it. The consensus was that while we may not ever see a supersonic large transport for scheduled operations, the supersonic biz-jet for those special meetings DOES make sense, and may yet happen.

It is too bad though. I thought seriously about spilling 6 grand for a seat on one of the final flights. It was the wrong point in my life (paying for kid's college), and I made the right choice, but I still wish I had hit the lotto back then...  Smile



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User currently offlineTiktokJAKE From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 3452 times:

How much did it cost to fly BA Concorde? Return flight to NYC?  Smile

User currently offlineTiktokJAKE From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

How much did it cost to fly BA Concorde? Return flight to NYC?  Smile

User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3299 times:



Quoting TIKTOKJAKE (Thread starter):
Im soo sad that at the moment there is nothing even remotely like Concorde.

The mission got split up. We've got supersonic aircraft, and we've got luxury aircraft, and we've got "elite" aircraft. We just don't have them all in one plane anymore because the economics don't work for a supersonic large commercial transport.

Quoting TIKTOKJAKE (Thread starter):
Are there any plans for any other Supersonic aircraft?

I'm assuming you mean commercial supersonic aircraft, in which case the answer is yes. At least two outfits are working on supersonic biz jets, although it's not at all clear when or if they'll actually get their act together. Making that a reality, at least in US operations, will take a lot of FAA coordination that I'm not sure any one company is up to.

Tom.


User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

Aerion may eventually work, they report some progress and even about 50 deposits from customers. They were also talking about possibility of ~30-seater SST, which may also work, as, unlike Concorde, it will be small, supposedly not as unique (with at least dozens of SSBJ family members flying) and using much more of "traditional" technology. As for demand - it all comes to ticket price, and to fill not-so-big not-that-expensive airplane for scheduled service would be nothing unrealistic.

But, whatever we can see in future, there will be nothing like "the rocket".


User currently offlineEmaman From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

I personally cannot see anything like it in the immediate future.

The great focus of the industry for the future is on efficiency and saving fuel. Although we cant necessarily know what technical possibilities may be so in the distant future; to make supersonic flight possible we usually need to have as fewer seats on board as possible with incredible fuel burn. This means i) an aircraft that does not promote good environmental performance ii) very expensive seats - I dont see either being popular moving forward.

With growing awareness of the environmental impact of air travel it would be bad PR for any manufacturer or airline to be looking at supersonic products.

The industry has also grown ever more competitive, and, expensive seats are not likely to be popular moving forward.

There is no serious talk of bring supersonic travel back to the sky and given the above, I just dont see it fitting into the future.

I too loved the concorde, it was a beautiful and fantastic aircraft, but unfortunately, in a commerical sense it was a failure. BA struggled to profit from it most of the time and certainly it was not attractive to most airlines who showed little interest in it.


User currently offlineEmaman From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3064 times:



Quoting TiktokJAKE (Reply 6):
How much did it cost to fly BA Concorde? Return flight to NYC?

Typically GBP8,000 i think towards the end, dont quote me though


User currently offlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1253 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

Expensive, high maintenance standards, but most of all, the darn sonic boom from super sonic flight really prohibits any type of economical operation, especially over land. Until technology develops enough where it can minimize the "boom" to an acceptable level, chances for another large SST are basically slim to none.

However, hypersonic transports might not be too far off, since these travel near the edge of the atmosphere.

http://www.gizmag.com/go/7895/



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

I recommend that you sign up on the Concordesst forum, Concorde's dedicated forum, and ask your questions there, some very knowledgeable people will be most happy to answer your questions.

http://concordesst.yuku.com/directory

Not that I want to take anything away from this forum but just to let you know it exists, along with the Concordesst Site created by Gordon Roxburgh.

http://www.concordesst.com/

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Concorde. When the past was more futuristic than the future.

 Sad



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6105 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2483 times:
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Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 1):
I'm still mad that I cannot take PanAm to the moon.

Didn't PA actually make reservations available for that?



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User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

Supersonic travel is not out of the question, as the technology evolves and things like ramjets and other futuristic technologies evolve most likely through military applications first then we might find it possible again.

Though against that... as we know it supersonic travel wasn't exactly viewed as green/eco friendly. Noise is always an issue and restricted the routes you could fly supersonic, though there are some technologies out there that can potentially reduce the sonic boom. The cost of the tickets, if they can get the prices down enough where more average people can step up a bit and afford them then there is greater potential for success.

It isn't out of the question... but for now... there is nothing say in the next 10-15 years that says it is coming back. I sure hope that changes.


User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1719 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

This blog entry from Flightglobal is about this very subject:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/as...o-the-civil-supersonic-puzzle.html


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

I don't think any of them will get off the ground. The biz-jets will flounder because companies aren't supposed to use biz-jets these days, it's a big no-no, and supersonic (non-military) flight over populated land will continue to be forbidden.

Airbus and maybe Lockheed (should it ever grace the civil airliner market again with its presence) are the ones who have the best chance of success with a supersonic airliner. Both have very extensive experience with long-range high speed supersonic flight. Airbus with Concorde, Lockheed with SR-71/A-12 programs.


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