TIKTOKJAKE From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3723 times:
I am 14 and have just recently become fascinated by Concorde. It is such an amazing aircraft. Im soo sad that at the moment there is nothing even remotely like Concorde. Are there any plans for any other Supersonic aircraft? Any videos or great pics post on here of Concorde or any plans? )
Ambanmba From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 48 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3285 times:
A great book I read when I was in my "Concorde Fascination" phase was "Soviet SST" by Howard Moon. It gives you a great context in which the Concorde (and Tu-144) were developed. It wasn't only a technological race, but a geopolitical one.
The book I think is long out of print, but there are a bunch of them available on Amazon:
PITingres From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1052 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3275 times:
With modern teleconferencing tools the need for *scheduled* supersonic travel just doesn't seem to be there. I think there was a thread on this some months back, a search may or may not find it. The consensus was that while we may not ever see a supersonic large transport for scheduled operations, the supersonic biz-jet for those special meetings DOES make sense, and may yet happen.
It is too bad though. I thought seriously about spilling 6 grand for a seat on one of the final flights. It was the wrong point in my life (paying for kid's college), and I made the right choice, but I still wish I had hit the lotto back then...
The mission got split up. We've got supersonic aircraft, and we've got luxury aircraft, and we've got "elite" aircraft. We just don't have them all in one plane anymore because the economics don't work for a supersonic large commercial transport.
I'm assuming you mean commercial supersonic aircraft, in which case the answer is yes. At least two outfits are working on supersonic biz jets, although it's not at all clear when or if they'll actually get their act together. Making that a reality, at least in US operations, will take a lot of FAA coordination that I'm not sure any one company is up to.
RIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1785 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2759 times:
Aerion may eventually work, they report some progress and even about 50 deposits from customers. They were also talking about possibility of ~30-seater SST, which may also work, as, unlike Concorde, it will be small, supposedly not as unique (with at least dozens of SSBJ family members flying) and using much more of "traditional" technology. As for demand - it all comes to ticket price, and to fill not-so-big not-that-expensive airplane for scheduled service would be nothing unrealistic.
But, whatever we can see in future, there will be nothing like "the rocket".
Emaman From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 89 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2710 times:
I personally cannot see anything like it in the immediate future.
The great focus of the industry for the future is on efficiency and saving fuel. Although we cant necessarily know what technical possibilities may be so in the distant future; to make supersonic flight possible we usually need to have as fewer seats on board as possible with incredible fuel burn. This means i) an aircraft that does not promote good environmental performance ii) very expensive seats - I dont see either being popular moving forward.
With growing awareness of the environmental impact of air travel it would be bad PR for any manufacturer or airline to be looking at supersonic products.
The industry has also grown ever more competitive, and, expensive seats are not likely to be popular moving forward.
There is no serious talk of bring supersonic travel back to the sky and given the above, I just dont see it fitting into the future.
I too loved the concorde, it was a beautiful and fantastic aircraft, but unfortunately, in a commerical sense it was a failure. BA struggled to profit from it most of the time and certainly it was not attractive to most airlines who showed little interest in it.
JakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1247 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2252 times:
Expensive, high maintenance standards, but most of all, the darn sonic boom from super sonic flight really prohibits any type of economical operation, especially over land. Until technology develops enough where it can minimize the "boom" to an acceptable level, chances for another large SST are basically slim to none.
However, hypersonic transports might not be too far off, since these travel near the edge of the atmosphere.
Jbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1998 times:
Supersonic travel is not out of the question, as the technology evolves and things like ramjets and other futuristic technologies evolve most likely through military applications first then we might find it possible again.
Though against that... as we know it supersonic travel wasn't exactly viewed as green/eco friendly. Noise is always an issue and restricted the routes you could fly supersonic, though there are some technologies out there that can potentially reduce the sonic boom. The cost of the tickets, if they can get the prices down enough where more average people can step up a bit and afford them then there is greater potential for success.
It isn't out of the question... but for now... there is nothing say in the next 10-15 years that says it is coming back. I sure hope that changes.
Cpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 40 Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1809 times:
I don't think any of them will get off the ground. The biz-jets will flounder because companies aren't supposed to use biz-jets these days, it's a big no-no, and supersonic (non-military) flight over populated land will continue to be forbidden.
Airbus and maybe Lockheed (should it ever grace the civil airliner market again with its presence) are the ones who have the best chance of success with a supersonic airliner. Both have very extensive experience with long-range high speed supersonic flight. Airbus with Concorde, Lockheed with SR-71/A-12 programs.