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How Many B737s Did UA Have At Peak?  
User currently offlineUnited airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4228 times:

Will UA ever grow its short haul fleet again? And will we see domestic widebodies flying for UA again?

How many B737s did UA have at peak?

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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4213 times:



Quoting United airline (Thread starter):
How many B737s did UA have at peak?

182 at peak I believe...(101 737-300 57 737-500 and 24 737-200A)...there were more 737s operated then just those aircraft but I think at peak there were just those aircraft.

Quoting United airline (Thread starter):
And will we see domestic widebodies flying for UA again?

I'm not sure why you say "again" as UA currently operate quite a few domestic wide body flights.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9826 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4179 times:



Quoting United airline (Thread starter):
And will we see domestic widebodies flying for UA again?

United currently has 20 domestic configured widebodies. Also there are currently a good number of domestic flights between hubs with widebodies. I think ORD-SFO, ORD-DEN, and ORD-IAD all have 3 class planes operating them. There might be more.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

Why did they retire the B 737s and B 767-200s so soon? Will there be a replacement?

Wonder when will we see UA returning to its former size. Maybe when they merge with CO?


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4136 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 3):
Why did they retire the B 737s and B 767-200s so soon?

Soon.. The average age of UAs 737 was just north of 20 years when they made the decision last year to pull them from the fleet. The same thing applies to the 762s, when they were retired UA going to have to spend a significant amount of money D checking the aircraft if they wanted to keep them in service.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 3):
Wonder when will we see UA returning to its former size. Maybe when they merge with CO?

Didn't you ask that question last month?



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9826 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4091 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 3):
Why did they retire the B 737s and B 767-200s so soon? Will there be a replacement?

With the end of Ted, United had the 56 A320s return to mainline service. Many of the Ted routes saw drastic reductions or were eliminated or went to Express. That left A320s to cover for the 737s. United has also expanded ExPlus on the 70 seat RJs. United found that it was better not to serve markets like Florida rather than try to lower costs.

The 767-200s were replaced by premium service 757s in a unique configuration. Today marked the 5 year anniversary of the premium service and elimination of 767-200s (which UA was the launch customer for)



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4052 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
United has also expanded ExPlus on the 70 seat RJs.

Only approx ~20x 70-seat RJ's have joined the fleet since the mass-retirement of UA 737's. 20 to 94 is hardly worthy of the word "expansion".

NW, for example, took on 36x CR9's and 36x E75's as they retired off DC9-30's, at almost a 1:1 ratio. UA hasn't even come close to that with ExPlus RJ's.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
Today marked the 5 year anniversary of the premium service and elimination of 767-200s

Not quite... the 767-200's were formally retired on 29 March 2005.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

UA does quite a large amount of domestic flying with widebodies. Granted, not nearly as much as they did say 10 years ago when they still had the classic 742s and DC-10s but a fair amount for a legacy carrier. I remember when they used to do CLE-ORD on the DC-10, MIA-ORD on the 777, and EWR-DEN on the 777 as well.

I'm flying LAX-ORD in december on a 763. anybody know if thats an international or domestic bird for that routing?



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

Where did they fly the DC-10 to? Europe? Asia? Hawaii?

Will there be a replacement for the retired B 737s?


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3873 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 3):
Why did they retire the B 737s and B 767-200s so soon? Will there be a replacement?

They weren´t retired early. 20-25 years for a shorthaul plane is quite a lot. Only the 735s were retired early, some scrapped less than 15 years old.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
Not quite... the 767-200's were formally retired on 29 March 2005.

Whats happening to them, they havent been scrapped and with the flood of more than 100 parked 767s (see my separate thread) I doubt these early frames have a chance to fly again.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

Wonder if UA will bring them out again.

How many United Express planes are there?


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3634 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 7):
I'm flying LAX-ORD in december on a 763. anybody know if thats an international or domestic bird for that routing?

It's very rare an international 3-cabin 767-300 finds its way west of DEN. That having been said, if you have a flight number and date I can check for you, but it's nearly certain that it will be a domestic 2-cabin bird.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 8):
Where did they fly the DC-10 to? Europe? Asia? Hawaii?

UA had mostly DC10-10's with a very limited number of the transoceanic-capable DC10-30's. Their DC10-10's did mainland domestic flights as well as Hawaii.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4006 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3540 times:
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Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 11):
UA had mostly DC10-10's with a very limited number of the transoceanic-capable DC10-30's. Their DC10-10's did mainland domestic flights as well as Hawaii.

Yes, United was the second airline to order the DC-10 back in 1970 just after the type was launched, at the beginning of the widebody era. First was American. Although American was the customer who launched the DC-10 in the late 60's, it was United that saved the project by ordering the type, because at the time it was launched Mc Donnell Douglas was considering abandoning the DC-10 model. If United didn't buy it, the DC-10 would probably have never existed.
American and United were the two most important operators of the DC-10-10, with over 40 units each in their fleet, during the 70's and 80's, until the early 90's. I believe that Continental also flew the DC-10-10 on domestic routes.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5794 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3386 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
Only approx ~20x 70-seat RJ's have joined the fleet since the mass-retirement of UA 737's. 20 to 94 is hardly worthy of the word "expansion".

I might be wrong, but I read his comment as being "there are more ExPlus RJ's than there used to be" and not that they are replacing the capacity of the 737's with a like number of ExPlus RJ's. In other words, they're expanding the ExPlus RJ fleet, which will help to fill the gap created by the 737 retirement. Obviously the A32X's and the realignment of routes will cover some as well.

-Dave



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3374 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 7):
I remember when they used to do CLE-ORD on the DC-10, MIA-ORD on the 777, and EWR-DEN on the 777 as well.

Well, for what it's worth, the 777 on MIA-ORD was more for aircraft positioning purposes than out of any genuine need for such an aircraft on the route.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3205 times:



Quoting American 767 (Reply 12):
American and United were the two most important operators of the DC-10-10, with over 40 units each in their fleet, during the 70's and 80's, until the early 90's. I believe that Continental also flew the DC-10-10 on domestic routes.

In additiion to AA/UA/.CO, Western and National were also original DC-10-10 customers (13 for Western and 11 for National) that used them on domestic U.S. routes.

DL was also an original operator of 5 DC-10-10s leased from UA from 1972/73 to 1975 while waiting for L-1011 deliveries. The DC-10s were delivered new to DL and were returned to UA at the end of the lease in 1975. DL of course later operated the DC-10-10 again briefly (less than 2 years) when they acquired Western Airlines in 1987.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3153 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 11):
It's very rare an international 3-cabin 767-300 finds its way west of DEN. That having been said, if you have a flight number and date I can check for you, but it's nearly certain that it will be a domestic 2-cabin bird.

Transpac787,

Looks like its 12/20/09 United 942 from LAX-ORD on the 763 connecting to United 658, a 757 to EWR.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

So where did they fly the DC-10-30 to? What transoceanic flights did they fly?

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3020 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 17):
So where did they fly the DC-10-30 to? What transoceanic flights did they fly?

US to Hawaii/Japan and some intra Asian flights...AFAIK they never operated over the Atlantic.



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