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Video: Landing In The DEN Blizzard  
User currently offlineMattnrsa From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 390 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16007 times:

We've seen the pictures of planes departing and arriving in snow...


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Thought you might be interested in this video of an approach and landing in Denver's rare October blizzard. The flight arrived on runway 34R, giving a nice view of the tented terminal and the other planes being de-iced and lining up for take off. A little reminder of what those of you are missing in warmer parts of the world!

757 Landing In Blizzard

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User currently offlineConcordeGBOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15877 times:

Neat! Thanks for posting!

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15739 times:

Great vid, but WHY are there sparks flying inside the engine when reverse thrust spools up?
Look closely- they're just aft of the fan, in the region of the core inlet, and they're traveling in the direction of fan rotation. It's obviously not snow...
I work around jet engines all day, and I'm not sure I've seen anything like this...


User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15616 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
Great vid, but WHY are there sparks flying inside the engine when reverse thrust spools up?
Look closely- they're just aft of the fan, in the region of the core inlet, and they're traveling in the direction of fan rotation. It's obviously not snow...
I work around jet engines all day, and I'm not sure I've seen anything like this...

I think it is snow been absrbed by the engine, but the effect you see is because the light, you could see as well later on the top of the engine...

Very nice video.


User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15528 times:

Great video - thanks for posting. How to they keep the runway so clear from the snow?

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17051 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15522 times:

Wow, great video. Would love to fly in conditions like that!


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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3103 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15296 times:

Yes, cool video!

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 4):
How to they keep the runway so clear from the snow?

I heard on The Weather Channel that they made something like 60 snowplow trips during the storm.

A blizzard this big is rare, but October snow isn't for DEN. I grew up in COS. Seems I remember every 3rd Hallowe'en I was bundled up in some appropriately warm costume and snow boots. I was intrepid on one Hallowe'en storm, the only kid out in it, and the neighbors felt so sorry for me they gave me huge amounts of candy. My best trick or treat production ever!

Rampart


User currently offlineSLUaviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15230 times:

Makes me glad my schedule did not have me going through DEN the last few days!


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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2420 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15222 times:

That's no blizzard. A true blizzard to me is vis 1/4 mile or less, RVR under 3000', an indefinite ceiling, and winds 35 mph plus.

When this video was shot, it just looks like a typical moderate snow event. A mile or more vis, decent ceiling, roads look relatively clear, traffic moving nicely, etc.

I should shoot some of our lake enhanced weather events here in GRR.... then again, all you'd see is swirling white and an occasional glimpse of the runway.



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User currently offlineRcair1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1308 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14854 times:
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Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
Great vid, but WHY are there sparks flying inside the engine when reverse thrust spools up?
Look closely- they're just aft of the fan, in the region of the core inlet

Almost looks more like flames than sparks to me - very interesting. Also comes and goes clearly with reverse thrust. I'm going to have to watch for this more closely at night.

It looks like they landed 34R - which makes for a very long taxi. I find that a little strange - most often when I've flown into DEN, particularly in weather, we land on one of the 35's. 34's are used for departure due to proximity to de-ice. I suppose they could have rolled back to using 2 runways - and then 34R for landing and 34L for takeoff would make sense. The 34's and 35's are a long way apart for plows and having the long 34L open would make sense (but that big runway is also 74% more area to plow...)



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User currently offlineDenverdanny From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 14667 times:

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 4):
How to they keep the runway so clear from the snow?



Quoting Rampart (Reply 6):
I heard on The Weather Channel that they made something like 60 snowplow trips during the storm.

Also, I think that after that last big storm that shut down the airport for a couple days they purchased special equipment that melts the snow with flame. Don't know if they use that on the runways though.

I think it was relatively warm compared to what it would have been like had this storm happened in December or January. So, not as much was sticking. You can kind of see that in the other video departing Denver.

[Edited 2009-10-30 10:54:45 by DenverDanny]

[Edited 2009-10-30 11:21:42 by DenverDanny]

User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 918 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 14097 times:

Ok I think I figured out what those sparks really are. I to thought the same thing when I saw them and was curious. When the reverse thrust spools up that is actually the snow that is being blown up from the reverse thrust and is being sucked back into the engine from behind. The wing illumination lights are making that snow bright (as mentioned above) and as the snow goes forward then around the engine cowl and into the engine it gives you a flash effect and appears like sparks. lol that required a lot of thought haha

User currently offlineCalibansA333 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 14101 times:

WOW! I love DEN, UA 757's and night time blizzards! So thanks for posting that vid. What a treat to watch.   

I dunno about the sparks... if you look between 1:51 and 1:54 in the air intake, the "sparks" seem to be making flashes off of the metal. Does snow make orange flashes inside an engine intake like that? take a look.

[Edited 2009-10-30 11:33:28]

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13634 times:



Quoting Rampart (Reply 6):
A blizzard this big is rare, but October snow isn't for DEN.

I can remember in college in '82 at Bowling Green. Monday Night Football was coming on. Oct 15th, 1982, Green Bay at Denver. When ABC started the Monday Night Football Music, all they showed was the lights at Mile High, and the fact that they were almost blotted out because it was snowing so hard. They got like 6 inches during the game.

Denver. Nice place to visit, but from October till May, wouldn't want to live there.  Smile


User currently offlineStburke From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13608 times:



Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 8):
That's no blizzard. A true blizzard to me is vis 1/4 mile or less, RVR under 3000', an indefinite ceiling, and winds 35 mph plus.

This storm was more like just a snow storm than anything. February-March of last year there were several nasty blizzards at DEN. Took me 4 hours to drive home that day. The airport has made it clear that the 3-day shutdown that occurred in 2003 would never happen again. I applaud DEN for doing such a good job of runway clearing but I still think there's some problems in de-ice capacity.



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User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2824 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13341 times:

As noted above, it wasn't actually a Blizzard. A Blizzard is snow with wind, and the wind was actually pretty mellow this time. It was on the other hand a ton of snow. The local weather stations were mentioning that Denver is already at half it's annual snowfall, before the first storm of the year usually occurs (more often then not Halloween).

DEN's has been looking at new technology - mostly melters to help maintain the runways. They can clear the snow, but sometimes they just plain run out of places to move the snow too.


User currently offlineKaiTakFan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1588 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13002 times:

That is a great conditions if you ask me! Great visibility, clear runways and what seems to not even been moderate snow fall. When I checked DEN's TAF yesterday and its was winds gusting 30KTS, 1/4sm VV010 +SN FZFG, that is what I would call a blizzard!

User currently offlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12278 times:

That's not a blizzard. If you want to see what a real blizzard is like, check out eastern North Dakota in the winter.  I've spent two winters in Grand Forks, ND, and in each winter the town experienced at least one blizzard like the one in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNnxE4JqCbU

I was in Grand Forks on March 10 of this year. As a result of the blizzard conditions, I just spent that day in my apartment. It goes without saying that I'm glad that I don't live there anymore.

[Edited 2009-10-30 13:36:52]


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User currently offlineDL752 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 174 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12136 times:

Wonderful video!
What a busy airport!

DL752  airplane 


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12020 times:

sorry guys...not a blizzard by any means...just an average snow storm for Denver..A blizzard is when you cant see 10 feet in front of you....looks like visibility in that video is a few miles...nice video though....

User currently offlineEmSeeEye From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11834 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
WHY are there sparks flying inside the engine when reverse thrust spools up?

Because of precip the ignitiors on the engine were more than likely left on. Maybe the back pressure because of the reversers caused this?


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4411 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11539 times:

Ah, reminds me of all the times I've landed in SYR over the years!  Smile

User currently offlineBeechnut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 722 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10757 times:



Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 8):
That's no blizzard. A true blizzard to me is vis 1/4 mile or less, RVR under 3000', an indefinite ceiling, and winds 35 mph plus.

When this video was shot, it just looks like a typical moderate snow event. A mile or more vis, decent ceiling, roads look relatively clear, traffic moving nicely, etc.

No kidding! And in a real blizzard like we get up here you can even throw in thunder and lightning, which occurs from time to time even in the depths of January.

I remember one landing in a real blizzard at Stephenville, NFLD, in an Eastern Provincial 737-200. That one involved one go around before finally landing; when we did land vis was very, very low; driving my rental car, I could barely make it to the hotel. It was actually blizzards at each stop along the way until the final stop at Stephenville. In Charlottetown, winds were 50 knots. Stopped at the gate, you could feel the wind yawing the aircraft.

Beech


User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9324 times:

The "sparks" are actually caused by static electricity. You can see it in many other videos with heavy snow.

User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8991 times:

Excellent video, particularly the "snow-wash" created by the thrust reversers. This may prompt me to post a video of a flight I was on a couple of years ago (UA 1083 / AUA-ORD) in which we arrived at ORD to snowy conditions and strong winds (270, ~20-30kt, G50kt). I'll post the link in this thread once it's uploaded...

777fan



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25 Post contains links LASoctoberB6 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z47uLiIx7V4 (you may want to skip to at least 1:25...)
26 EMBQA : The runway is treated with a chemical... Agreed...
27 Woodsboy : I have seen this "sparking" thing twice before and neither time during a landing in snow or rain. Once was in landing in Anchorage on a Delta 752 and
28 Post contains links Borism : The only video on youtube that I found to qualify as a landing in blizzard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpS1kuWcpfw Other cameramen were probably t
29 Mattnrsa : I didn't even notice them at first! Could they be a reaction to the chemicals used to treat the runway? Might not be a blizzard in the technical sens
30 Noelg : Cool video! I love landing at night and in snow. Always looks cool landing at an American airport at night, with all the aircraft queued up for depart
31 Post contains links Western727 : LOVELY video, even it's not technically a blizzard. Incorrect. See other thread from my own experience on a NW 753 landing at MSP. That night it was,
32 GlobalDreams : That is awesome... I think I was on that flight!
33 ACElite : I was supposed to go via DEN on the 28th, but, I re-routed via ORD to save myself the hassle
34 MD-90 : What is this phenomenom known as a 'blizzard?' Signed, An Alabamian
35 Rcair1 : A horizontal snow storm - wind driven. In the US - the weather service defines a blizzard as a storm that creates the following conditions for at lea
36 Western727 : Figures. I remember once finding myself driving a car in "blizzard conditions" (that's what the weather service called it) with almost-zero visibilit
37 Rampart : I remember it well. I was in high school in Colorado. I recall that the ski resorts had a huge boost in reservations immediately following that game.
38 Post contains links Thegreatchecko : The Denver Post went out with the crew during this snowstorm and produced the following video: http://videocenter.denverpost.com/se...bclid=155113215
39 Rcair1 : Okay - here's the deal. Remember the picture of 29 inches of snow on my porch in "Denver: Snow Time like the present. Reply 8, posted Thu Oct 29 2009
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