Indeed not a surprising order. One would imagine that it may also have to do with an eventual cancellation/conversion of their remaining A346's on order.
Dull Friday PM ?
With another A380 to be handed over in little more than 1 hour, I would not call this Friday Dull. Maybe for you as it will be a EA7200 powered bird.
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6715 posts, RR: 65 Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2787 times:
Quoting Myt332 (Reply 2): Bit of an off topic question here but is the RR offered on the A332F?
Not only is it offered but it has won the majority of the orders so far.
Quoting Col (Reply 6): Isn't the GE on the 330 the poor cousin with the least orders,
In fact sales of A330s with GE and PW are pretty even. GE have around 22% and PW around 24%. In terms of deliveries, GE are about 25 ahead of PW but PW have a much bigger backlog..
Col From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2040 posts, RR: 22 Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2332 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 7): In fact sales of A330s with GE and PW are pretty even. GE have around 22% and PW around 24%. In terms of deliveries, GE are about 25 ahead of PW but PW have a much bigger backlog..
Thanks PM. Is it me, or do the Rollers sound quieter on the 330/777 in the cabin. I always find that the PW on the 330's whine and the big GE on 77L/77W are huge vibrators!
TinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 963 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2249 times:
Quoting Myt332 (Reply 4): Cheers, nice to know. No GE though?
GE motors are in fact available for the A332...Air France uses them.
"Flying isn't inherently dangerous...but very unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6715 posts, RR: 65 Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2182 times:
Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 9): GE motors are in fact available for the A332...Air France uses them.
The first A332 made its maiden flight with GE.
GE have offered the CF6 for the A330-300 and the A330-200 from the start and many airlines such as Air France, KLM, Qantas, Aer Lingus, Qatar, China Airlines and many others have chosen them. But they declined to offer an engine for the A330F.
747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3301 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1992 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 1): Indeed not a surprising order. One would imagine that it may also have to do with an eventual cancellation/conversion of their remaining A346's on order.
Oh say it's not so, I like A346s and an A330 to do not have that VS feel to them like an A346!
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6715 posts, RR: 65 Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1864 times:
A wee bit off topic but if the recent threads about Turkish ordering 2 x A330F and converting options for 3 x A330-300 are correct then that's probably more good news for RR.
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6715 posts, RR: 65 Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1456 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 12): A wee bit off topic but if the recent threads about Turkish ordering 2 x A330F and converting options for 3 x A330-300 are correct then that's probably more good news for RR.
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10676 posts, RR: 100 Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1300 times:
Quoting PM (Thread starter): Probably not the most surprising news this year
Not at all. But that is due to RR having an excellent product in the Trent 700.
Quoting Raggi (Reply 5): A bit puzzling if you ask me.
Not at all. Look at the "hot" takeoff perfomance of the CF6 on the A330. "Hot" is normally flat rated thrust to 85F. It is 59F for the A330 CF6! Why? The core has been pushed too much. Also, that performance only happens with a well maintained high pressure compressor.
Note that an A330F is far more likely to be operating near MTOW than an A332 or A333. (Which are more likely than many airframes to be near MTOW.) So every bit of performance is required. While the Pratt has less thrust, it actually has better hot/high performance than the GE. In particular, after a few years of compressor wear and tear.
Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 9): GE motors are in fact available for the A332...Air France uses them.
They are available. GE was willing to do a major upgrade on the CF6 for the tanker order. Expect them to re-enter the market in a big way if Northrop wins the tanker. (Actually, are the engine contracts still valid? Or were they thrown out to?)
What GE needs to do with the A330 CF6:
1. New fan. It is way past due for a blade change out. This will cut fuel burn over 1%!
2. Improved compressors. Something has to be done to cool the core (it is pushed too hard for the current thrust, hence the poor hot/high). I expect BLISKS (integrade blade/rotor compressors). I'm not sure if just the low compressor (easier to do, but less advantage, about 0.5% reduction in fuel burn), or the high compressor (perhaps not the last one or two blade rows to save on the risk).
3. Improved thermal barrier coatings (to allow more time at heat and some higher max thrust).
4. Improve the Low Pressure turbine blades. This will help with the fan/compressor.
To compete versust the Trent 700, the GE needs to cut fuel burn by about 2%! (2.5% IIRC, sorry, but I'm going from memory to compete versus the latest RR kit that is coming out). Most of the improvement should be on the cold side. Most of the improvement could be done on the low spool, so it wouldn't surprise me to see the whole spool re-optimized with cooling tweaks in the combustor and high pressur turbine.
Until GE can match the currently offered Trent fuel burn and hot/high performance, it will have a very tough time selling on the A332F.
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One would imagine that it may also have to do with an eventual cancellation/conversion of their remaining A346's on order.
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Why? The core has been pushed too much. Also, that performance only happens with a well maintained high pressure compressor. 
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