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User currently offlineMelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1640 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 6917 times:

QF has stopped serving spirits & full strength beer on intra-state flights in Western Australia as they've had issues with fly in-fly out miners causing trouble. Wine & mid-strength beer will still be available though.....

http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...rits-off-qantas-20091030-hpfy.html


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User currently offlineEBGARN From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 6906 times:

Oh Dear,

As if minors & alcohol wasn't enough of a problem, now it's miners!

 champagne   Smile



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User currently offlineSteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 6876 times:



Quoting EBGARN (Reply 1):
now it's miners!

Oh believe me, miners have been running on alcohol for many years.



eu nasci ha dez mil anos atras, e nao tem nada nesse mundo que eu nao saiba demais
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13170 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 6849 times:

Why are they drinking so much? Are the mining towns 'dry' (ie: no legal sales of alcohol?) or have very restrictive access to alcohol? I know some locations in Alaska state in the USA and Canada in the Artic regions where mining, oil, natural gas are done and sometimes if within abroginal (what we call 'Indians') territories, or totally controled by corporations where they don't allow any alcohol to be purchased, sold or even possessed subject to immediate dismissal from employment.
Perhaps a better way to curb this would be a breath test upon arrival at the mining areas and if fail, pay a fine of a couple days pay.


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4353 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 6775 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
Why are they drinking so much?

It's just the same with sailors, jazz and rockstars on tour, military; you are away from home and family, unregular working hours, usually not the types to go and read a book in their spare time, then there are some typical options for entertainment.



nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineHAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 6684 times:

i was on a southwest flight, full of college students from PHX - SAN, and the flight attendants at some point started carding some of the passengers, which was funny..


PHX - i miss spotting
User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 860 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 6632 times:

I remember flying GOV-DRW on a QF 146 a few years ago. The F/As spent the entire flight going back and forth serving booze to a plane full of rowdy miners... Was quite entertaining. Was like a party flight!

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4353 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 6623 times:



Quoting HAMAD (Reply 5):
carding

Carding?? you mean this ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carding



nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 860 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 6606 times:



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 7):
Carding?? you mean this ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carding

LOL -

Carding is an Americanism for checking someone's photo ID to prove they are 21


User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 922 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 6292 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
Are the mining towns 'dry' (ie: no legal sales of alcohol?) or have very restrictive access to alcohol?

Yes, exactly. Air Transport World had an article on this a few months ago--Australia has one of the highest rates of air rage in the world.

http://www.atwonline.com/magazine/article.html?articleID=2925


User currently offlineHuxrules From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 6159 times:

I've been on several CO flights that were packed with offshore oil workers (I'm one of em). They like to drink as well (I'm one of 'em too). The stewardesses always seemed to realize that the guys were heading home and were in party mode. Lots of flirting going on - but no rablerousing or air rage. The girls on the continental express flights always seemed to be the most flirty. Of course the OP was talking about Australians - they are about 10x more rowdy then Americans.

My personal record - 4 jack and cokes from IAH to AUS served by a gorgeous redhead in first class. I had just spent 5 weeks in Africa. No complaining from me. Good times.


User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2209 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 6122 times:

Why is this such an issue in Anglo-Saxon countries and in Russia? Here in Europe it's the Brits that drink too much and behave ... well... that's why we call their country "monkey island". Scandinavians too like to drink, but it's never as violent as in the case of Brits.

At the Oktoberfest in Munich, 80% of deaths or injuries caused by drunkenness are by Brits or Australians.

There is a cultural issue there, I still don't know which


User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 5837 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
Why are they drinking so much? Are the mining towns 'dry' (ie: no legal sales of alcohol?) or have very restrictive access to alcohol?

I doubt they would be dry towns as that alone might enough to cause a riot  Smile, but given the nature of their work I could see them having very restricted access to alocohol along with breath tests and the like to ensure they do not go to work with any alcohol in the system.

As to why that makes them want to binge drink on the flight home.... no idea.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20249 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 5807 times:



Quoting Mozart (Reply 11):
Why is this such an issue in Anglo-Saxon countries and in Russia? Here in Europe it's the Brits that drink too much and behave ... well... that's why we call their country "monkey island". Scandinavians too like to drink, but it's never as violent as in the case of Brits.

I agree. English-speakers are usually the worst drunks. We're also the only culture I know that gets into verbal pissing contests over who can drink more.


User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 5789 times:

This is just cost cutting by QF using the mine situation as a publically palatable excuse. This does not mean I condone the behaviour of anyone who gets drunk on the flights, however I am a little dubious that there was regular air born mahem on QFLink flights. (I've on flown enough myself). The article noted that the service would end on tourist routes as well and it concluded with "It stopped serving them (spirits/full strength beers) in the economy cabin at the end of last year due to a lack of demand". More than a coincidence perhaps?


What goes around comes around....unless your luggage is not on the carousel...
User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 922 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 5665 times:



Quoting Mozart (Reply 11):
There is a cultural issue there, I still don't know which

http://www.atwonline.com/magazine/article.html?articleID=2925

Quote:
Another important aspect of the differences in passenger behavior is the variations in politeness between cultures. One report, "A Cross-Cultural Study of Airline Passengers" by Samuel Kim of Sejong University in Seoul and Bruce Prideaux from the University of Queensland, found that Japanese, Koreans and Chinese always scored well ahead of Americans in courtesy on aircraft when interacting with flight attendants.

....

But Australians and the British, who were not included in this survey, are "far, far worse," says Reed. "Our experience is that Japanese and Americans will complain about the airline in general and politely, whereas Australians and the British will take their feelings out on a targetthe flight attendant. In fact, Japanese very rarely complain; they just don't come back." He says Australian and British passengers also are more likely to personalize their attacks. "It's in their culture," he explains.

Lewis adds another dimension to the growing British and Australian airport and air rage problem: "The British [and Australians] have a strong sense of entitlement and of being superior, and a long check-in queue or security line is a great equalizer that severely stresses them."



User currently offlineHrc773 From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2009, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 5504 times:



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 7):
Carding?? you mean this ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carding

Ok, that's hilarious. I got the funniest mental picture ever. Specially having worked as a flight attendant myself. You made my day!!!


User currently offlineSkymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 5337 times:



Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 6):
remember flying GOV-DRW on a QF 146 a few years ago. The F/As spent the entire flight going back and forth serving booze to a plane full of rowdy miners... Was quite entertaining. Was like a party flight!

You should try an Air Rhodesia Viscount (Johannesburg -> Salisbury) with the National Rugby Team on board (while it was still Rhodesia).

One of the best flights I have ever had in 36+ years of flying!  Smile



I love to fly, and it shows!
User currently offlineJHCRJ700 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 5173 times:

Isn't there a finite amount of alcohol on these flights? How much alcohol does that average plane have on board? I would imagine that it would take quite an amount to get a bunch of miners intoxicated.


RUSH
User currently offlineIndio66 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 4975 times:

I read some article in London a while back about Rugby players who used to keep track of the record for cans of beer going from London to Aus / NZ. I think that the record was around 60 cans for one guy if I recall correctly.

User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 4933 times:



Quoting Indio66 (Reply 19):
I read some article in London a while back about Rugby players who used to keep track of the record for cans of beer going from London to Aus / NZ. I think that the record was around 60 cans for one guy if I recall correctly.

The Australian cricketer David Boon drank 52 cans of beer on a flight from Sydney to London before the 1989 Ashes tour, a total of 19.5 Litres.


User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 4902 times:

Mining towns are not dry but if you turn up to work under the influence you are finished.
Also these miners often do shift work, working long shifts for weeks without a break, then fly home for a couple of weeks. so the workers find it difficult to get together for a drink.

You often see in movies the ultra poor Kentucky coal miner, (don't know if this is still the case) but in Aus they are amongst the highest paid workers, and have such a high disposable income so they can afford (financially) the drinking culture. I doubt cost cutting is the reason because QF could make money out of this. These guys would pay greatly inflated prices.

I remember when I was a schoolboy (a very long time ago), flying home from Brisbane to where I lived in the outback, (on subsidised DC3 then F27 serving towns with only a handfull of people) where schoolboys made up the predominent passenger mix. Sometimes it got quite rowdy and I remember on one occassion some of the lads throwing a football around the cabin until the FA's stopped them.
And this was without any alcohol !!.

Cheers
Ruscoe


User currently offlineQantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 4429 times:



Quoting Simairlinenet (Reply 9):
-Australia has one of the highest rates of air rage in the world.

Yes it also has one of the highest road rage rates as well.


User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4212 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 3119 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
I agree. English-speakers are usually the worst drunks. We're also the only culture I know that gets into verbal pissing contests over who can drink more.

Not necessarily, us Paddies, the Kiwis and the Cannucks all seem to hold our booze pretty well, at least in comparison to the Brits, Yanks and Aussies. Maybe its something that comes from being the smaller country next to the bigger one of the same language..... Wink  Wink

(Im not being biased at all of course!!!  Wink

Quoting Mozart (Reply 11):
Why is this such an issue in Anglo-Saxon countries and in Russia? Here in Europe it's the Brits that drink too much and behave ... well... that's why we call their country "monkey island".

I'd never heard monkey island before! I doubt our British friends will be too happy with that one!

That said, I do notice that those on continental europe have a healthier attitude to alcohol than us on the "islands"!



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User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 907 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 23):
That said, I do notice that those on continental europe have a healthier attitude to alcohol than us on the "islands"!

There is, of course, a big risk of generalizing here. There are plenty of problem drinkers on the continent as well, and plenty of responsible drinkers and teetotalers on the "islands".

But, taking the risk of generalizing, there is a tendency that people on the continent tend to enjoy a few drinks with meals and conversations, whereas the impression we get at least of part of the British population is that people just drink to get drunk. What it is that they are drinking seems to be a less important consideration, as long as it contains alcohol. The more the better.

Worse is the differential effects that the alcohol seems to have. People on the continent tend to drink in part because it makes them happier, friendlier, funnier, more jovial, and more sociable: conversations and making new (girl)friends just go a lot easier with a few drinks. By contrast, many young Brits become plain nasty and aggressive when they get drunk.

In my young years, I have been confronted quite a few times with young drunk British males. Not always but quite often, it was a sorry and scary sight. Even the police were afraid of them...


Illustration:

http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.co...edy-gold-drunken-punks-attack.html

[Edited 2009-10-30 21:48:42]

25 MilesDependent : I hear what you guys are saying about Australian mining flights been hard to work. But I am quite surprised to hear that Australian and British pax ar
26 IAirAllie : HA HA HA LOL the Irish holding their liquor well. Thanks for the laugh it's been a rough night. When we used to use Shannon as a crew rest point any
27 Melpax : Very true. Most of these guys work on mine camps, and are breathalised before the start of their shifts, so the booze is either non-existant or very
28 QF744FAN : I realise I'm about to make a huge generalisation here, but if we can have conversations about whether English speaking people are bigger idiots when
29 Shamrock604 : It was a tongue in cheek remark of course.. But, you need to know exactly how much the Irishman had drank (im betting a hell of a lot more than most
30 Shamrock604 : Islands meaning the UK and Ireland... not just Britain and the British!! But I know what you mean about British people getting quite nasty when drunk
31 Smi0006 : I must confess as a 21 year old Australian Bloke in our defence..... Well okay there really is no defence we are abysmal drinkers, a significant part
32 HAMAD : thats what i meant
33 Fridgmus : I just returned from two weeks holiday in MEL, flew DXB-MEL-DXB on EK and had Aussie seatmates the whole time. We had a ball in J! The F/A's were fro
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