Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6134 posts, RR: 13 Posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7447 times:
This compares what is for sale this week for the stated period versus what was for sale the prior week...NOT the prior year.
How to read:
AAA-BBB 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
AAA-BBB 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
AAA-BBB 3.2>5.6 In some big posts I don't spend the time rounding fractional roundtrips. Fractional roundtrips are usually caused by day of week cancellations, but can also result from a schedule change during the month that is averaged.
USPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3266 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7392 times:
It appears that way. Unusal considering Asian carriers get decent loads, but I'm sure the yields have plummeted at LAS lately. Even SQ pulled out quickly.
Surprising. Still bookable in many places, but considering this thread usually "foresees", I'm sad. KE has problem filling up this flight, although return is fine because of LAX stop. LAS is like a tomb for many Asian carriers till now. PR is still running, though.
SlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2454 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6986 times:
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ALL CHANGES FOR MAR-
DEN-BDL 0>1
DEN-BOI 0>1
DEN-DTW 0>1
DEN-IAD 0>1
DEN-OKC 2>3
DEN-ONT 0>1
.....and the UA/F9 fans still belive that WN isnt going to try to kick one of them out of DEN?
Enilria - your table is hiding the fact that DL is doing away with mainline service on CVG-LGA and CVG-BOS. Unless I missed something, mainline is gone from all CVG to Northeast flying. The only mainline stations left from CVG are hubs (ATL/SLC), in Florida and out west. Ah, and Paris.
Blr380 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 147 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6881 times:
CVG-MSY going to be once daily - hate to see frequency reduction to MSY. As it looks...Its a matter of time CVG will look similar to STL
Skibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6829 times:
Quoting Incitatus (Reply 6): Enilria - your table is hiding the fact that DL is doing away with mainline service on CVG-LGA and CVG-BOS. Unless I missed something, mainline is gone from all CVG to Northeast flying. The only mainline stations left from CVG are hubs (ATL/SLC), in Florida and out west. Ah, and Paris.
Also don't forget to mention that a lot of flights that were CRJ9s are now CRJ7s, so there is very limited first class seating out of CVG now. Even though the CRJ9 and CRJ7 have about the same number of seats, DL appears to be moving those out of CVG to other stations as well.
I really wish DL would just pull the plug once and for all. That way other carriers will step it up a notch, like AA adding mainline back to CVG-DFW. Being a regular traveler out of CVG, this slow death is nauseating as the quality of service being provided by DL is becoming more and more nothing but a small and cramped coach seat on an RJ with no opportunity for upgrades, etc. So much for a consistent DL experience. If I have to connect, which flying out of CVG it is more and more the case, at least I would like to have a better service experience.
However, on one bright note, it looks like the CVG-CDG flight was upgraded from a 763 to a 764.
N7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1495 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6819 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 5): If you're determined that we have to go over this old ground again - they let Frontier slip through their fingers.
Frontier isn't "just Frontier" anymore and isn't "just DEN."
And since Southwest CEO Kelly has said that the outcome is probably the best for both entities, he's obviously aware of that.
HVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 405 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6522 times:
Quoting Incitatus (Reply 6): Enilria - your table is hiding the fact that DL is doing away with mainline service on CVG-LGA and CVG-BOS. Unless I missed something, mainline is gone from all CVG to Northeast flying. The only mainline stations left from CVG are hubs (ATL/SLC), in Florida and out west. Ah, and Paris.
To me, that's shocking. I've always thought that if/when DL pulled down the CVG hub, they'd still keep some mainline to Northeast strongholds like LGA, JFK, and BOS. By early January, DL mainline will be down to about 35 flights a day at CVG on a good day. I'm actually surprised by how much of that is made up by Florida flying... Are those mostly onward connections, and not CVG O/D? I find it hard to believe that with the Cincinnati business market, mainline flights to Florida are more valued than mainline flights to other large business centers, such as the NE markets being cut.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6490 times:
Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 11): I find it hard to believe that with the Cincinnati business market, mainline flights to Florida are more valued than mainline flights to other large business centers, such as the NE markets being cut.
High-density, low-yield Florida routes need large capacity planes. High-yield, high-frequency Northeast routes don't.
BinMonster From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6379 times:
Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 8): However, on one bright note, it looks like the CVG-CDG flight was upgraded from a 763 to a 764.
Only for a week, back to 767-300 1NOV.
Below are the mainlie flights for 07JAN Thursday "31"
OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4680 posts, RR: 23 Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6357 times:
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6134 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5763 times:
Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 2): It appears that way. Unusal considering Asian carriers get decent loads, but I'm sure the yields have plummeted at LAS lately. Even SQ pulled out quickly.
It looked like it was already suspended for the upcoming Winter and now the resumption is either delayed or CXLD.
Quoting Incitatus (Reply 6): Enilria - your table is hiding the fact that DL is doing away with mainline service on CVG-LGA and CVG-BOS. Unless I missed something, mainline is gone from all CVG to Northeast flying. The only mainline stations left from CVG are hubs (ATL/SLC), in Florida and out west. Ah, and Paris.
Don't doubt it. I think the CVG hub is DEAD DEAD DEAD.
Quoting Mariner (Reply 10): On November 13, Frontier is flying SAN-LAX and a revenue flight, just as, this week, they are flying OKC-MCI as a one-off.
Probably a reposition related to a sports charter.
Quoting Humberside (Reply 16):
Whats the likely reason for these increases, considering the general trend off CVG reductions?
Could be as simple as aircraft positioning. Who knows. It means little in the scheme of things.
MSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 699 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5717 times:
Quoting Blr380 (Reply 7): CVG-MSY going to be once daily - hate to see frequency reduction to MSY. As it looks...Its a matter of time CVG will look similar to STL
Well you right in a way. IIRC I read on here that WN is going to start MSY-STL with 1 flt/day.
Just to analyze the route list for WN:
BOI Current F9 route
DTW Current F9 route
IAD Former F9 route and UA hub
OKC Current F9 route
ONT Former F9 route
F9 ties to all those routes in that they are either current routes or probably under consideration for resumption like MSY which was recently announced to be resumed by F9.
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22716 posts, RR: 88 Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5263 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 20): F9 ties to all those routes in that they are either current routes or probably under consideration for resumption like MSY which was recently announced to be resumed by F9.
I have a hard time imagining Frontier going back to a couple of those.
I suppose ONT might be possible, but not necessarily from DEN.
RampGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4682 times:
Below is what I wrote in the last OAG thread which went unresponded to. So I'm reposting it here:
On another note, effective November 1, DL is once again yanking the only 757 on ATL-IND-ATL and from what I can find, it's going to ATL-SAT-ATL. Can anyone tell me if that is the case, if so, why is SAT getting our 757? With the exception of Tuesday and Wednesday, that flight went out with very high passenger loads. Certainly past the MD88 capacity.
Skibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4594 times:
Quoting RampGuy (Reply 22):
On another note, effective November 1, DL is once again yanking the only 757 on ATL-IND-ATL and from what I can find, it's going to ATL-SAT-ATL. Can anyone tell me if that is the case, if so, why is SAT getting our 757? With the exception of Tuesday and Wednesday, that flight went out with very high passenger loads. Certainly past the MD88 capacity.
Loads don't matter to DL. In their grand plan, since the world revolves around ATL, eventually all planes greater than an RJ will be routed solely on ATL to ATL, and all other cities will be RJs.
LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 6779 posts, RR: 25 Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4374 times:
Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 23): Loads don't matter to DL. In their grand plan, since the world revolves around ATL, eventually all planes greater than an RJ will be routed solely on ATL to ATL, and all other cities will be RJs.
I dont know. DTW seems to be getting alot of new service at ATL's expense.
DFW Fan Boy: Im crude, irreverent, and blunt, but Im not clueless. I offer no apologies.
25 DLDTW1962: Let us not forget the canceling of some 30 flights from LAS. With them doing this. DTW will not have any US flight to LAS. Only to PHX, CLT, PHL.. The
26 SurfandSnow: WOW! Even more stations coming online from DEN, including the likes of DTW and IAD, where WN is quite weak. This leaves BUR as the ONLY WN station to
27 WorldTraveler: While you and others would like to see DL fail at CVG just as others have elsewhere, you clearly have not been reading what I have been saying since
28 Enilria: You make a good point on IAD. That's probably the only thing they've ever added there since they opened it. Not so sure about PIT/CMH, but I'm bettin
29 LAXdude1023: WorldTraveler is here to remind us that words speak louder than actions.
30 Cubsrule: To which AA and/or US hubs are you referring? Surely not PIT, unless I've missed the 200 flight FL hub or the 100 flight WN focus city there. It is t
31 MAH4546: At least he finally admits that the CVG hub is going, going, gone. He used to claim it would never close. There is no doubt that DL will maintain som
32 WorldTraveler: I guess you missed the memo that AA is WAY down the list of the largest airlines at BNA and RDU and US is PIT... they walked away from those markets.
33 Cubsrule: Way down? AA is either number 2 or number 3 at BNA (depending on the measure you use; number 2 in ASMs but number 3 in seats and, IIRC, departures).
34 SurfandSnow: Now I'll give AA credit for keeping BNA-LAX and RDU-LHR (thanks to lucrative corporate contracts), but in no way has US maintained any kind of presen
35 MAH4546: And they have a great corporate flyer base in Nashville to this day. A strong number two in the market. AA is also the largest in Raleigh, albeit Sou
36 GentFromAlaska: They say plagiarism is the best form of flattery
37 Cubsrule: I'd be surprised if WN has as many ASMs as AA at RDU.
38 ERJ170: Currently, but AA will no longer be top at RDU much longer. From what I can tell for Sept 2009... WN has 77,038 pax AA has 38,556 + Eagle 34,288 + Ch
39 F9fan: F9 dropped DEN-IAD when they got two extra slots into DCA. The 3x DEN-DCA has been a mega cash cow for F9. I seriously doubt WN will be able to take
40 SANFan: Hmmm, you got me on that one, M. (It's a Friday so it would seem unlikely that it's a ferry of equipment due to a one-day cancellation of some sort..
41 Cvg2lga: Agreed. And I haven't always felt this way. Soon I hope!!!! Personal guilty pleasure. Delta hasn't failed AT CVG, they have failed CVG. People are ge
42 Mariner: A319 - dep: SAN 5.10pm arr: LAX 5.50pm fight #0412. That's all I know, sorry. Maybe it is a charter returning? I don't think it means a return to the
43 SANFan: I see that flight 412 is a regular LAX-DEN flight so on that Friday, they are simply originating that flight in SAN... (Which doesn't really explain
44 GentFromAlaska: Without turning this into a trip report I can concur from my wife's perspective She flew DL/NW from BNA-ATL-BOS on Sunday There was no change of airc
45 Cubsrule: Typically, individual airlines have it as a security requirement if there will be a crew change.
46 Enilria: Further proof that WN is not purposely targeting UA. If they were they would have attacked in IAD as well as SFO/CHI/DEN. Clearly it was their goal a
47 Atlwest1: additionally there are minimal staffing requirements for an aircraft with thru pax. If the original crew had a tight connection and the continuing cr
48 ScottB: WN added 21 daily departures at MDW in the March 14 schedule change. That is far more dramatic an increase in capacity than what we're seeing in DEN
49 Iowaman: A lot of those, though, are just returning flights that were cut this fall. Most of the DEN is new, IIRC.
50 Mariner: Yes, I'm sure there is a logical reason for it, just as I am sure there is for the A319 flying MCI-OKC as I type this. I had thought it might be beca
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