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Turkish Airlines To Order 2 A330-200F  
User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

Yesterday Turkish Airlines announced in an notice to the stock exchange they will order two A330-200F to be delivered in the second half of 2010 and first half of 2011.

Source only in Turkish as of yet

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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4422 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Hey, a new thread,
Congrats to TK and Airbus.

So in 2 years from now TK Long Haul fleet will have:

7 332s
9 343s
10 333s
12 77Ws

and 2 332F. (maybe 77Fs to replace the 310F fleet)

If you were to ask how did TK grow so rapidly:

It takes only a few people to realize the potential and act on it. This all happened in the last 10 years. It is a combination of many factors.
How about these factors:
-TK flies around 300 flights to Germany a week and it is 1/3 of their income.
-Behind Germany, Russians started coming to Turkey in huge numbers and TK flies to 15 or so destinations in Russia/Ukraine.
-New airports in IST, ESB, ADB, DLM, AYT and more within that time.
-Turkey's 2nd busiest airport AYT somehow gets more pax than BRU, DUS, ARN, ATH, SVO, TXL...because Turkey is one of the top 10 tourist destinations now.
-Monopoly of TK ended inside Turkey, new carriers inside Turkey made flying lot cheaper through competition.

And all this is happening with only a fraction of Turkish people taking vacations outside the country, mostly due to visa requirements. Imagine the potential in another 10-20 years of Turkish tourists flying TK internationally.


User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3899 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):

Slight correction to your post,
the three converted A330 options will arrive in 2012.

And... I guess I have read the same about Germany, and still dont believe in those numbers. Actually there are about 220 weekly flights to Germany, this is less than 10% of TKs weekly flights. Cant imagine they generate 1/3 of their income.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4422 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3888 times:



Quoting TKfan (Reply 2):

Thanks for the corrections, it is still early here.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4422 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...rs-two-airbus-a330-freighters.html

Maybe old news, but I didn't realize that MNG order is up to four 332Fs now.


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3622 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 4):
Maybe old news, but I didn't realize that MNG order is up to four 332Fs now.

It happened in September.  Smile

Check the link. http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...s_items/09_09_25_mng_a330200f.html



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User currently offline413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3573 times:

MNG bottom feeds the cargo market, how exactly can they expect to throw out enough money for brand new airplanes and still charge less than their ACMI competitors?

User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 639 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3421 times:



Quoting TKfan (Reply 2):
Slight correction to your post,
the three converted A330 options will arrive in 2012.

3 more A332 IGWs?


User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3392 times:



Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 7):

not sure, its just a notice to the Istanbul Stock Exchange. Hope either TK or Airbus give more details in their press release.
I guess they will be 330-343E like the others.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4422 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3369 times:



Quoting TKfan (Reply 8):
not sure, its just a notice to the Istanbul Stock Exchange. Hope either TK or Airbus give more details in their press release.

I see it made to the order column at skyliners:
http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/news.main?LC=nav3
Also those Boeing unidentified 737s might be TKs??


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6887 posts, RR: 63
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3338 times:



Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 7):
3 more A332 IGWs?

My understanding is that they dropped the idea to order A332IGWs and all 7 new orders are for A333s. I guess the three converted orders will be too.

That would give them 7 x A332 with GE  vomit  and 10 A333s with RR  bigthumbsup  ,

It therefore seems rather likely that any A330Fs ordered would have RR.  Silly


User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3284 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 10):

What are the advantages of RR engines over GE or PW engines?

I am surprised TK did not chose PW engines as they will soon open their Joint Engine Overhaul facilities at SAW Airport.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3279 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):
and 2 332F. (maybe 77Fs to replace the 310F fleet)

Yes, two 777Fs will be delivered by spring next year. According to skyliner-aviation the freighters in question are the two frames rejected by China Southern which are stored since some months.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4422 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3215 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 12):

Oh boy, great news. Within the few last days huge news from TK. 777Fs will be a great addition to TK cargo fleet. I don't know if they are doing good these days, but this will give them opportunities to open new markets and get capacity when things pick up.
With all the new 77Ws, 333s cargo capacity will more than double.
One question: Did it make sense to convert the 310s to F for such a short life span?
I guess we asked that question when they were being converted.


User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3147 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 13):
Oh boy, great news. Within the few last days huge news from TK.

Indeed great news, it made my weekend Big grin

Quoting TK787 (Reply 13):
I don't know if they are doing good these days, but this will give them opportunities to open new markets and get capacity when things pick up.

I really want to know their ambitions. looking at their figures, they have a growth rate of appr. 20%, but the revenues are lower than last year.
Most European Carriers are reducing Capacity while TK threefolds theirs.

Another question which arises, now with the 77W, they can carry 18t additionally Freight, though for which destinations they need longrange Freighters?
My first guess would be China, but the bilaterals dont allow more than ten weekly flights....


Turkish Airlines is exciting to watch....


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6887 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

Confirmed:

http://www.rolls-royce.com/civil/new...9/021109_turkish_flag_trent700.jsp

3 x pax + 2 x F.

 bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8287 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2942 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):
It takes only a few people to realize the potential and act on it. This all happened in the last 10 years. It is a combination of many factors.

I'm sure all of those are important factors but you don't list the most important one: Connecting traffic. A lot like their *A partner TP found a strong niche market connecting passengers between Europe and Brazil about 10 years ago; someone at TK with good vision woke up to the fact that Turkey's privileged geographic location would make a great hub not only for Europe to Turkey traffic but also as a connecting hub between Asia and the rest of the World. Often forgotten is the fact that Turkey is the 3rd largest European nation behind Russia and Germany.
Page 28 sums it up nicely:
http://www.thy.com/download/investor...tions/presentations/june2_2009.pdf


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9772 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2940 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 13):
Oh boy, great news. Within the few last days huge news from TK. 777Fs will be a great addition to TK cargo fleet. I don't know if they are doing good these days, but this will give them opportunities to open new markets and get capacity when things pick up.

I asked in a previous thread about the 777F order by TK where they will fly these aircraft too. When will TK Cargo get the first 777F? Does anyone know? Are they interested in flying to South America?

A388


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 481 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

TK has just ordered RR engines for 5 A330s. I guess 3 are the A333 passenger aircraft, the other 2 are A332F.

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4422 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2857 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 17):
When will TK Cargo get the first 777F?



Quoting NA (Reply 12):

Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):
and 2 332F. (maybe 77Fs to replace the 310F fleet)

Yes, two 777Fs will be delivered by spring next year.

That's all we know as of now. With that range anything is possible. That wasn't the case with the 310s.


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