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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3861 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 40765 times:

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User currently offlineClubWorld1986 From United Kingdom, joined May 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 40651 times:

One word... Underwhelmed.

So they've picked up the interior of one of their 77W and plonked it in the A380?
Business seats are still 'Lie Flat'!!!!???

Does AF 's new Economy Plus feature on the their A380?


User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 40447 times:

I personally think the Business cabin looks awful, far too dense.

User currently offlineBojangles From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 40390 times:

I honestly thought the C pic was their prem. economy seats at first glance.

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 40266 times:

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All 3 class config´s looks very dull imo...just like the AF livery

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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8290 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 40197 times:
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The FIRST Class cabin looks exactly as one on the 77W. I was expecting a SUITE of some type since they only have 9. With a new flagship AF should do something innovative like when Singapore Airlines intoduced their A380's.

User currently offlineIcLCY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 40041 times:

What is the point of having a museum on board? Bizarre!

User currently offlineGroup51 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 40029 times:

Did I read that right. A museum. On a plane. A museum?  Wow!

User currently offlineSlinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 39921 times:

Very underwhelming, I suppose the 'museum' is a stretch your legs area, but even that is dull, dull, dull !

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7090 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 39841 times:



Quoting Slinky09 (Reply 8):
dull, dull, dull

What are people expecting - its an aircraft - not a five star hotel. It will be flown on high density routes, not the highest revenue generating routes.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
I was expecting a SUITE of some type

A suite in CAPITALS no less? Will people flying to JFK on a seven hour flight pay for a suite?



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 39867 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
I was expecting a SUITE




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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30641 posts, RR: 84
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 39804 times:
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Quoting ClubWorld1986 (Reply 1):
Does AF 's new Economy Plus feature on the their A380?

Not until at least the fifth frame from the factory. The first four frames will have it retrofitted by AF sometime in the future.



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
The FIRST Class cabin looks exactly as one on the 77W.

While I have never tried it (I'm a Star Alliance man), AF's current First Class product has always looked impressive to me, especially for couples flying together in the center section.



Quoting ClubWorld1986 (Reply 1):
So they've picked up the interior of one of their 77W and plonked it in the A380?

AF was unable to install Premium Voyageur on their first four A380's due to Airbus requiring that the planes be outfitted as originally planned. So I wonder if this means AF also had to go with their current First Class (La Première) and Business Class (Affaires) product on their first four birds?

It also might be a case of AF desiring to have a more consistent product across their fleet, as opposed to having different ones on different planes. As a frequent SQ flyer, I know what to expect depending on what SQ airframe I am on (and try and book accordingly), but for a person who only flies the airline infrequently, it might be confusing to have different premium cabins on the A388, the 77W, the 744 and the 77E/773.

[Edited 2009-10-31 08:07:36]

User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1012 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 39752 times:

So far the least impressive A380 cabin. I like the Economy section due to the nice seat cloth and the agreeable PTV size for a European carrier. AF's flight prices in Eco are often among the cheapest (especially Europe - North America), so this is going to be good a value for the money.
Business looks rather disappointing. I also thought it was more reminiscent of a (premium) Economy cabin.
The 'museum'... well, a desperate attempt to keep up with EK's and SQ's exquisite lounges?  Smile
Anyway, I didn't expect them to set the milestone in terms of cabin layout and quality. We are probably too spoilt by the A380s already flying...



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User currently offlineMSN007 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 39703 times:

The worst looking A380 interior so far.

User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 39708 times:

The AF A380 Business class picture (2-2-2) gives me a very unpleasant, crowded feeling. I wouldn't spend the extra money for that class on this aircraft, but would prefer the 747 upper-deck business class (only 2-2).
A museum !!!!!!!!



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User currently offlineSlinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 39574 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 9):


Quoting Slinky09 (Reply 8):
dull, dull, dull

What are people expecting - its an aircraft - not a five star hotel. It will be flown on high density routes, not the highest revenue generating routes.

If I had paid a premium fare, I'd expect the airline to put a bit more effort into the ambience, lighting, materials and design of the cabin. Peoples' tastes are individual, but at least QF, SQ and EK tried, AF seem to have not bothered.


User currently offlineMindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 39586 times:

More details here:
http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/pr.../three-cabin-classes-on-two-decks/
http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/pr...-a380/ambiences-on-board-the-a380/
http://corporate.airfrance.com/filea...te/A380/dossierA380_en_complet.pdf

P seats are the same as in the AF T7 but with new specific fabric, much more individual space as you have only 9 seats between the two first doors and the A380 is wider than the B777 on the main deck. For those who are claustrophobic, AF P cabin is a great alternative to the closed capsule suites.
No middle seats in J as it is located on the upper deck and much wider screen.
Y seats are actually wider than the one on the T7 ! that is a good news. They look indeed quite comfortable and the PTV screen is much bigger !

Overall, no WAOW factor, but subtle improvements.


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8509 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 39573 times:
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Not too bad, let be honest we shold not be expecting any leaps forward in cabin designs.

F looks ok as does Y, not keen on the J cabin, looks a bit crampt to me.



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 39220 times:



Quoting EI320 (Reply 2):
far too dense

I agree, i thought it was their premium economy or something,

The whole cabin layout is pretty disappointing considering it's their flagship product. They should have pulled something special like SQ and really made the A380 interior something special. Right now the whole thing just looks cramped


User currently offlineMindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 39136 times:



Quoting Slinky09 (Reply 15):
If I had paid a premium fare, I'd expect the airline to put a bit more effort into the ambience, lighting, materials and design of the cabin. Peoples' tastes are individual, but at least QF, SQ and EK tried, AF seem to have not bothered.

Not true, if you had bothered to search for more info you would have seen their process to design something specific for the A380 while keeping a consistent product with the rest of their fleet. Now that you don't like their hard product is another story.

Quoting 747classic (Reply 14):
The AF A380 Business class picture (2-2-2) gives me a very unpleasant, crowded feeling.



Quoting EI320 (Reply 2):
I personally think the Business cabin looks awful, far too dense.


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Is it because we are speaking of AF that we have such remarks while nothing was said for QF and EK ?


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 39025 times:



Quoting Group51 (Reply 7):
Did I read that right. A museum. On a plane. A museum?

I am surprised as well. In my opinion a waste of space.

Quoting Slinky09 (Reply 8):
Very underwhelming, I suppose the 'museum' is a stretch your legs area, but even that is dull, dull, dull !

They should have installed a bar instead of a "museum". Who the heck needs a museum in an airplane?

Patrick


User currently offlineNclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 39023 times:

I'd agree with most of your responses above - pretty shoddy for AF. It is nice that in the economy section the window seats are all in pairs which is something. But the business cabin looks absolutely dire! Seriously wasted opportunity.

User currently offlineCschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 38958 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 9):
It will be flown on high density routes, not the highest revenue generating routes.

Exactly....if it's only flying CDG - JFK, then it's similar in concept to a 747 over a 707. More seats in one plane.


User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4161 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 38776 times:



Quoting Mindscape (Reply 19):
Is it because we are speaking of AF that we have such remarks while nothing was said for QF and EK ?

Exactly!! The use of space in AF J class is clever, but it does have the effect of making it look like the seats are close together and cramped. They are not however.. AF J is very comfortable.

Also, the photos are not taken in the best conditions and are very dark. Go to airfrance.com and see the photos there...



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4705 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 38716 times:
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Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 12):
Anyway, I didn't expect them to set the milestone in terms of cabin layout and quality. We are probably too spoilt by the A380s already flying...

I guess we are. But AF were never going to make a big jump with the interior of the A380, at least they never announced it if I recall correctly. (Or I missed that announcement  Smile).

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 22):
Quoting BestWestern (Reply 9):
It will be flown on high density routes, not the highest revenue generating routes.

Exactly....if it's only flying CDG - JFK, then it's similar in concept to a 747 over a 707. More seats in one plane.

So far they have the highest seat count on any A380, which is in accordance with what you stated. But I still would not call this layout cramped, also not in the Business Class section. I think the interior will suit AF just fine for now.  Wink


25 Stitch : Well to be fair, QF's Business Class on the A388 does not appear to be any different than their 747s. And the First Class suite, while nicer than wha
26 Shamrock604 : Precisely. The good thing is there is more space for everyone - even down the back. The seats are wider in the A380, and you do notice it. It just ma
27 HBJZA : What I notice on these pics is that AF always chose very dark colors for their cabin fitting and it's applicable to it entire fleet. Too bad because,
28 SQ772 : While there isn't a major revamp of the cabin features on AF's A380, I think there are many little design tweaks that are clever and effective. The pi
29 Speedmarque : The arrival at CDG video on the AF website starts with the date 30 Novembre 2009! D'OH
30 Bevisisback : I personally love AF's new cabin interiors - minimal and fuss free is right up my street! Not sure what the inflight 'museums' are about though! Much
31 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I don't agree there. The Singapore Airlines 380 Business suites (seats) are much wider than those on the 777-300ERs. You can easily fit two like me i
32 Odwyerpw : a suite, a suite... please, please, please, I want to sit in a phone booth aboard a flying tube. sheesh!
33 JHCRJ700 : The cabin looks very boring. I was expecting something more impressive.
34 Bohica : Very boring. Bland.
35 Hardiwv : It really seems AF decided to give up its premium segment. With such C and F product you cant certainly be competitive. And the answer is yes: the sa
36 Speedmarque : I think the AF business class looks cramped because the centre overhead lockers are not swivel type or, better still deleted altogether. Makes the cei
37 Jawed : Their business class looks like economy class.
38 Manfredj : It's funny that airlines still haven't learned their lesson. Spaces like museums, bathrooms, lounges, almost always turn into more economy seating af
39 Nethkt : No offense, I'd agree with above comment. Nothing new, neither impressive at all.
40 BrianDromey : The advantage is that there is more room for carry-ons with the shelf design. I recall that either SQ or QF are having issues with the capacity of th
41 Pliersinsight : I think you guys are missing the thing about there being "a musem" You see there is not one onboard, but he whole plane is a museum dedicated to the
42 Klkla : Are the Biz seats still angled lie-flat or did they at least splurge on fully flat seats in the worlds largest commercial aircraft?
43 Airproxx : It always amazes me to see how people are prompt complaining about the so called "boring AF livery", but what should we say about the others?? What's
44 JetBlue777 : Disappointment The Y class is just awful! Luv the new colors of J but still they used the same exact seats from 77W D:
45 Gr8circle : Few realise that photography is an art....the same cabin would look very different if taken by a professional, with proper lighting conditions....
46 Post contains links Lightsaber : There is a seatmap on seatguru already! http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air_France/Air_France_Airbus_A380.php I'm not sure? Personally, in today's cl
47 Stitch : Yes, the A388 seats are about four inches wider, but as you noted, it's still the same design. And the complaint was that AF did not offer a new seat
48 MadameConcorde : I think this is the best and funniest post in the whole thread. It must be that AF will keep this Big Bus as it is until the end of time or at least
49 Post contains links Viscount724 : And in the AF website. http://www.airfrance.fr/common/image...sCabine/en/A380_538pax_maxi_en.gif
50 OA260 : Im a bit dissapointed. I dont know what I expected but I know that I expected something better. I will have to wait and see more pics . Maybe the bad
51 Mindscape : SeatGuru AF380 seatmap is not accurate (upper deck Y cabin). Can't you just drop it ? As you said, it is charity. The 'first to fly' attention and at
52 MadameConcorde : How could it be? This is over 2 years later. Even out of a good intention it's gotten old. AF took the idea from SQ. They copied every single bit of
53 MadameConcorde : In this case, I hope you have spent as much $$$$ to be part of the AF380 opening flights that we did for our SQ 380 "first to fly the A380" charity f
54 OA412 : Regarding the bars, the PDF from AF's site indicates that they will have 6 bars onboard the A380, 1 in F, 2 in J, and 3 in Y. What airline have you be
55 Jetdudetim : Thank you! It seems that everyone else missed these. I think they are a great idea.
56 Detroiter : i agree, i was expecting more from AF. i think their first class layout and seats are very elegant, and just because they had it in the 77w that does
57 Post contains links TGV : Because of the "apparent" pitch ? When comparing these pictures: AF: http://corporate.airfrance.com/uploa..._templavoila/0I2D1630_copie_02.jpg QF: ht
58 1stfl94 : Admittedly the most dull A380 cabin so far but probably the most efficient and the easiest integration. Unlike EK and SQ who now have massive gaps in
59 Amax1977 : The business class seats that AF put in their A380 would look and fit better in their A320s. Not the A380.
60 Jetfuel : Just maybe some of the other A380 layouts are too over the top. Just maybe AF sees the market wont pay for the excessive nature of the likes of EK/SQ
61 Phoenix9 : Exacly! A lot of people have bashed AF for not having over the top/novelty type amenities...but you know what? This is THEIR business model and this
62 SXDFC : I noticed many post commenting on the lack of "in flight suites", does anyone know how many flights actually have all suites booked? Are the load fact
63 AusA380 : Having travelled on the QF 747 in J and the A380 J I can advise that there is some significant improvement. 1) A380 J is horizontal lie flat, where t
64 Airbear : First is nice with the red carpet and tan coloured leather seats. But all that "Computer CPU Cream" and dark grey cloth in Biz and Y would be really d
65 Post contains links DEVILFISH : Here's something to uplift everyone's dejected spirit..... http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...ideo-pimp-my-dreamliner-the-s.html
66 PanAm747LHR : Not too bad, but I'm surpised AF didn't configure the 380 with their new Premium Y product. Any plans to change this, or does AF not plan to install P
67 OA412 : Beginning with the 5th A380, all will be delivered with Premium Voyaguer. The first 4 will have Premium Voyageur retrofitted.
68 BestWestern : As someone who has flown 777 AF J a good few times this year, I am pleased for the extra lockers in the centre of th J class cabins - once you are in
69 Post contains images Goldorak : Thanks to the 3 of you for bringing this because this thread was becoming as usual a wonderful exercise of AF bashing   . Come on guys, we are in t
70 OHLHD : Well, seems like some members are fed up that AF is not entering the usual " Mine is bigger and better then yours contest". AF is providing a good thi
71 EtihadAirways : They Should have done someething new with thier A380. what better time to interduce new products than Having 380 coming to ur fleet. its a new era in
72 EbbUK : On first look I too thought the logo was boring and the cabin really dull. But having watched the handover ceremony on-line on Friday, what Air France
73 PlaneHunter : The interior is not as fancy as on EK or SQ and the "museum" appears to be a waste of space, but the cabin is far from being a nightmare as some peopl
74 Airbazar : Based on the pics the J class seating on both QF and EK appear to be far more spacious than AF. QA definititely looks to have more leg room and Emira
75 Post contains images Dba4U : Not attractive at all. The economy section looks like some old DC-10 with seatback-TV's. Dark fabric is just not a good choice for cabin that size IMO
76 JAL : Why didn't they come up with a new First Class at the very least?
77 LHPII : .....LH will have a completely new First class on the upper deck with current business class( in some points improved) behind it. So upper deck compl
78 Spud757 : better than 'snakes on a plane' Does look very bland.. however i do like the new tweek to livery
79 Tradewinds : EK's J may look cramped, but you have to remember that the seats are 4 abreast and each has its own minibar. QF, meanwhile, does have a 2-2-2 configu
80 LHPII : The idea is not new....AF had these bars or rather service points for ages, so nothing new in that respect!
81 BestWestern : When was the last LH first class refresh? When was the last AF refresh?
82 TreeHillRavens : You are right ! The QF J on 388 indeed has more legroom compared to their J on all other aircraft. The regular QF lie-flat long-haul J on 332, 333 an
83 SXDFC : There is something I can agree with though, even though their current FC design still looks nice 6 years later. People also keep comparing to airline
84 Post contains links MadameConcorde : For a category of people, it's the only way to travel. Singapore Airlines has their 380 Suites full all the time. This is why they don't make them ac
85 Post contains links EK773 : Based on what source ? I believe SIA has now introduced an F booking class code and also FFP redemption in efforts to fill their cabins. Qantas is al
86 Carlisle : Unfortunately the AF A380 looks much better from the outside than it does in. I am not wasting my money to fly this aircraft as magnificent as it may
87 Stitch : Well QR has announced they are removing their First Class cabin from their planes, so maybe AF feels that spending hundreds of millions of dollars on
88 MadameConcorde : Certainly not true for A380 Suites neither is it the case for F Suites on their 777Ws. SQ is now also blocking F and J award redemption on their 747-
89 Stitch : Probably the only way anybody would chose to fly in those cabins. Seriously, if it's the choice between an SQ 744 or somebody else in Star, I usually
90 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Then that "category" should fly SQ or order private jets or simply stay at home and not complain about airlines which don't offer suites. The world d
91 OHLHD : Well, honestly.....your friends in red kebabs won´t tell you anything else.....
92 Mindscape : Sorry to bother the a.Net community with that, but with all due respect, MadameConcorde, what I am doing with my hard earning $ is not really your co
93 EbbUK : Thank god for the "inexperienced" Gulf carriers for stirring up the status quo. FYI no oil of any significance in Dubai. NO SUBSIDY for EK. It's been
94 Viscount724 : You must have a very generous employer if they pick up the cost of F and R class for longhaul travel!, especially with cutbacks in travel policies si
95 EA772LR : Economy looks like..well...economy. Business looks a bit cramped...maybe it's the angle because the top deck A380 is normally 8 abreast and C is 6 abr
96 SQ772 : Thought I'd chime in here... MadameConcorde's undying and firm loyalty to SQ is admirable. I only wish there are more people like her nowadays... How
97 Post contains links and images TGV : While I agree on the fact that AF is not competing with SQ or EK, and therefore has chosen a more "conservative" cabin, I don't think this decision h
98 RIX : First class, although stylish, has zero privacy. Business is just spacious cattle carrier. No need to go for suite nonsense, but this is plain dull. A
99 Jfk777 : Singapore Girl You are the Only way to FLY !>
100 Lightsaber : Oh... For J I agree. The market is speaking and what is says is 'frugal!' All booked? I hope rarely. Maximum yeild would be slightly below that to co
101 Post contains images BestWestern : Another photo of the AF A380 first class cabin
102 Keesje : I think the econmy class seats look well thought out, the business class 6 abreast 60 inch are market standard (food is very good though) and personal
103 Post contains links LHPII : .....sure Dubai doesn't have oil anymore, which doesn't mean it never had. Just, they were smart enough to invest their oil buck elsewhere, amigo! Yo
104 747m8te : It does look awefully cramped (but doesn't look bad...), but i'm going to hold my judgement till we see some more pics when in service or with my own
105 RJFLYER : you have to go the Air France website in the lower left corner they have a min site for the A380 the pictures posted here don't give the cabin justice
106 777way : Why new J class product, what was wrong with the one currently in use.
107 EPA001 : That does look pretty good imho. Nice picture.
108 Pellegrine : The AF A380 looks fine to me. It is AF, you know what you are getting if you have flown them and read recent reports! Where did you get this tidbit of
109 Stitch : A published report in one of the airline industry periodicals. Don't remember which one. It was a link in a post somewhere.
110 Jetfuel : A lot of people don't like claustrophobic walled in suites
111 Post contains links and images BestWestern : Source: Air France Press Office
112 Vasu : Wow, at least for the Y-cabin, those official AF photos look really really nice!
113 Jetfuel : I call it under stated elegance rather than the glitzy trashy glamour of Emirates
114 Starguy : I think The F cabin looks great by most airlines standards and I certainly wouldn't turn my nose up at the J cabin either. A380 are not meant to be fl
115 Phoenix9 : Is it just me or do the economy class seats look relatively roomy?
116 Stitch : I suppose some of the discontent is that when the program was launched, it was launched with the strong implication that it would be a "flying gold p
117 Putnik : I actually enjoy the idea of holding back a bit and not rushing into introduction of new products at all cost. AF choice of colors and layout in all c
118 Huaiwei : They certainly do on SIN-HKG, SIN-NRT, SIN-SYD, SIN-MEL. Its underwelming, but it didn't elicit the same level of shock as when I saw the first QF ph
119 777way : Their F Class is the classiest in the industry after SQs 744 ones in the seat category.
120 Pellegrine : AF beautiful as I suspected. No SQ sure, but it is a great hard product. People shouldn't be so quick to judge some tourist's poor-quality quick snap
121 Malaysia : Absolutely me too. TWA classic all the way. the museum is probably for those who may want to look back at the life and past before something happens?
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