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Lufthansa A340: Emergency Landing At KHV  
User currently offlineAddd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 15273 times:

The Russian media reported Lufthansa's MUC-NRT flight in a emergency landing in Khabarovsk in Russian Far Esat earlier on Saturday because of an unruly intoxicated passenger - http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Internat...-early-landing/UPI-14251257017251/

The aircraft spent 1.5 hrs on the ground before continuing to NRT to the delight of local spotters - http://www.aviaforum.ru/showpost.php?p=538983&postcount=2395 (note a bunch of mothballed IL-62s in the background).

[Edited 2009-10-31 19:50:42 by addd]

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User currently offlineMOW From Israel, joined Dec 2005, 191 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days ago) and read 14808 times:

what was the use to land the aircraft in KHV - they would still be unable to offload this pax because of visa (I doubt that the drunk pax on this LH MUC-NRT was a Russian national  Smile

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9173 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days ago) and read 14777 times:

The crew made him an offer he could not refuse, calm down and be peaceful for the rest of the journey or we offload you here at KBH. Actually, Russian border police officers talked to the guy and were , obviously, convincing.

The Russian authorities would have taken him into custody if necessary and make LH pay for the journey home under arrest. I doubt that a visa is necessary for that.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days ago) and read 14741 times:
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Quoting MOW (Reply 1):
I doubt that the drunk pax on this LH MUC-NRT was a Russian national

Who knows - maybe he was?  wink 

Quoting MOW (Reply 1):
what was the use to land the aircraft in KHV

If he was that much of a danger then it matters not one iota about visas - you need to get the plane down and the police involved. If the pax really was being disruptive then it serves them right that they landed in KHV - I expect he got some very short, sharp treatment from the militsia.



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User currently offlineMOW From Israel, joined Dec 2005, 191 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14692 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 3):
If he was that much of a danger then it matters not one iota about visas - you need to get the plane down and the police involved. If the pax really was being disruptive then it serves them right that they landed in KHV - I expect he got some very short, sharp treatment from the militsia.

Couldn't they just handcuff him?


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14615 times:
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Quoting MOW (Reply 4):
Couldn't they just handcuff him?

Who knows. Without being there it's difficult to understand what the situation was.



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14616 times:



Quoting Addd (Thread starter):
The Russian media reported Lufthansa's MUC-NRT flight in a emergency landing in Khabarovsk in Russian Far Esat earlier on Saturday because of an unruly intoxicated passenger

I´ll bet he was a Swede..

// Mike  Wink



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7090 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14607 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 5):
Without being there it's difficult to understand what the situation was

But one must assume that it was a serious enough incident onboard to merit an en route stop.

Can you imagine explaining to your wife why you are in KHV on a saturday afternoon without a visa?



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14555 times:
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Quoting BestWestern (Reply 7):
But one must assume that it was a serious enough incident onboard to merit an en route stop.

Exactly. I don't think such decisions are taken lightly.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 7):
Can you imagine explaining to your wife why you are in KHV on a saturday afternoon without a visa?

No thanks! But hopefully the kind of rude awakening a disruptive, inconsiderate pax needs - that and whatever the cops throw at him.



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User currently offlineLarSPL From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14515 times:

If we divert to hand over an unruly passenger, that passenger will be charged in the country we land in. I doubt Russia requires a visa to put someone in jail.


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7090 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14455 times:



Quoting LarSPL (Reply 9):
I doubt Russia requires a visa to put someone in jail.

Imagine trying to get visa support to get out of jail. KHV is in a rather remote part of russia, and I cant imagine the consular section rushing to help him out.



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User currently offlineMOW From Israel, joined Dec 2005, 191 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14386 times:

They situation was SO bad that they decided to land in KHV, yet they didn't leave the pax in KHV but welcomed him onboard again and flew this unruly pax for another 2 hours to Tokyo. Sounds illogical to me. The pax already proved to be dangerous enough to justify an emergency landing, why trust him?

User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14267 times:



Quoting MOW (Reply 11):
They situation was SO bad that they decided to land in KHV, yet they didn't leave the pax in KHV but welcomed him onboard again and flew this unruly pax for another 2 hours to Tokyo. Sounds illogical to me. The pax already proved to be dangerous enough to justify an emergency landing, why trust him?

The diversion alone may have cost $50,000. I hope the airline makes his foot the bill although unless charges were made I doubt it. Sounds very odd - either you divert to off load or you dont...... I can only assume that there was some immediate risk to the safety of the a/c



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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2950 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 14191 times:

Ummm ... what was the "emergency" in the thread title? This was a diversion, right?


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 14147 times:
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Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 13):
Ummm ... what was the "emergency" in the thread title? This was a diversion, right?

It might well have been an emergency - do you know whether he was endangering the aircraft, other passengers or both? How he was doing so?



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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2950 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 14071 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 14):
It might well have been an emergency - do you know whether he was endangering the aircraft, other passengers or both?

Unlikely - they let him/her back on to continue the flight.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13937 times:
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Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 15):
Unlikely - they let him/her back on to continue the flight.

Pure speculation.

Whatever it was was serious enough to put down towards the end of a very long flight, and none of us have any idea about why he was allowed to continue. It is more than likely that the Russian authorities insisted on it, and hopefully they will have put the fear of God into him so that he behaved for the remaining time on board.



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User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1668 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13937 times:



Quoting MOW (Reply 11):
They situation was SO bad that they decided to land in KHV, yet they didn't leave the pax in KHV but welcomed him onboard again and flew this unruly pax for another 2 hours to Tokyo. Sounds illogical to me. The pax already proved to be dangerous enough to justify an emergency landing, why trust him?

If this happens in my plane that guy sleep in jail for sure, If the situation was bad enough to make an emergency landing there is no point to allow him to fly again.

Quoting MOW (Reply 1):
what was the use to land the aircraft in KHV - they would still be unable to offload this pax because of visa (I doubt that the drunk pax on this LH MUC-NRT was a Russian national

They can unload him/her, after that he will face the problems with the authorities and return ticket.


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2950 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13538 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 16):

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 15):
Unlikely - they let him/her back on to continue the flight.

Pure speculation.



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 16):
Whatever it was was serious enough to put down towards the end of a very long flight, and none of us have any idea about why he was allowed to continue.

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Quoting RussianJet (Reply 16):
It is more than likely that the Russian authorities insisted on it,

Pure speculation  mischievous 


Maybe we'll find out if an emergency was actually declared, or simply a diversion requested.



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User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13478 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 17):
If this happens in my plane that guy sleep in jail for sure, If the situation was bad enough to make an emergency landing there is no point to allow him to fly again.

Unless the local authorities don't let you start without the passenger.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13042 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13027 times:

Maybe on the continuation of the flight, the pax was 'secured', including the use of some kind of restraint or putting him between some rather burley pax. Maybe too, he just decided to 'sleep it off' after he got a sharp warning from the Russian police. I sure wouldn't want to be stuck in any jail and certaintly not in Russia as a foreign national. I bet he had one hell of a hangover by the time he got to NRT. He should be billed for at least part of the costs of the diversion.
This gets into another issue as to why or how this situation happened. He may have had a few before borading so was already a potential problem. Maybe he played the f/a's and had several get drinks for him each so no individual one knew how much alcohol he had drunk. Probably he was ticking off those seating around him, they reacted and led to an esclation (or really a decline) in his beheavior. He also could have been using illegal or prescription drugs that pumped up the effects of a few drinks. In the end, this situation raises the issue of passangers have access to alcoholic beverages on air flights and some doing to excess and causing problems.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12964 times:
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Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 18):
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 16):
It is more than likely that the Russian authorities insisted on it,

Pure speculation

Touche!  rotfl 



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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5981 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12515 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 21):
Maybe he played the f/a's and had several get drinks for him each so no individual one knew how much alcohol he had drunk. Probably he was ticking off those seating around him, they reacted and led to an esclation (or really a decline) in his beheavior. He also could have been using illegal or prescription drugs that pumped up the effects of a few drinks. In the end, this situation raises the issue of passangers have access to alcoholic beverages on air flights and some doing to excess and causing problems.

That reminds me of a guy I had to endure for a couple of hours enroute SEL-SYD a few years ago. Was seated in the last row on the 777, when the guy came running into our cabin section in the aisle furthest from my seat, started shouting something complete nonsense, threw himself across the (fortunately) empty mid-row of seats, before he was finally taken down in a mighty impressive tackle by one of the male FAs. He was subsequently put in handcuffs and placed in the rear galley (just my luck, I had to endure his crying for the rest of flight!)

Now, I can't remember how far we were at that point (around or past Papa New Guinea), but presumably the guy was deemed to no longer present a risk, since we continued on to SYD. One thing that will stay with me for a long time, was getting off the plane and seeing 2 (might have been 4) armed police officers standing in the jetway. I spoke to a friend of mine who had been seated in the row behind the guy, and apparently he had been drinking heavily from a bottle he had bought in duty free as well as taking some unidentified pills of sort.

Which brings me to my question, since it's been ages since I flew intercontinental (pre-liquids ban), is it even possible to buy a bottle of liquor in duty free and then proceed to drink it onboard?


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3811 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12407 times:



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 23):
Which brings me to my question, since it's been ages since I flew intercontinental (pre-liquids ban), is it even possible to buy a bottle of liquor in duty free and then proceed to drink it onboard?

Yes, you buy it at the duty free store, tell them your flight number and they give it to you at the boarding gate. This is to keep you from buying duty free items and then go back landside. You can only buy duty free when you actually leave the country. But all of this isn't for security, just customs. They don't ban duty free purchases under the liquids ban since the products offered there are deemed "safe", they don't expect the duty free stores to sell you dangerous liquids.

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User currently offlineMOW From Israel, joined Dec 2005, 191 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11740 times:



Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 20):
Unless the local authorities don't let you start without the passenger.

My thoughts exactly.

I remember a JL flight from CDG to NRT a few years back which made a diversion to KHV due to very acute medical condition of one of the passengers. Unfortunately, the poor guy was dead by the time the aircraft arrived in KHV. The death was declared in an ambulance car standing on the tarmac. Local authorities very much wanted the body to be taken back onboard and flown out of the country. It took the captain of the aircraft quite some time to persuade the locals to let the body stay.


25 Nclmedic : In fact, this still isn't the case in the UK for some reason! You buy your duty free and it's bagged and handed over to you as in any other shop. In
26 Csturdiv : My brother has made several trips to KHV. He is not an aviation fan, I am. I would give anything to take a trip out there to see that exotic Russian
27 YULWinterSkies : Makes me wonder why airplanes don't have a jail onboard... It would be a lot easier than diverting the aircraft.
28 KL911 : How can that be cheaper then paying for it in a normal shop??? The cost of an international ticket, outside EU, destination is high. Unless its a ref
29 DocLightning : Because on 99.99% of flights, you wouldn't need it. And a "jail" could hold 1-3 paying pax.
30 Prebennorholm : Maybe they landed at KHV only to get a fresh supply of gaffa tape.
31 Scipio : If you would consider this, it would have to be a double-use space. How about a bathroom that doubles as a jail? A jail needs to have a toilet anyway
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