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Egyptair To Replace 772 And A342 Very Soon  
User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9738 times:

With the arrival of the 77Ws from next March onwards Egyptair will phase out the 772s, and the A332s arriving late next year the A342s will have to quit service too.
Source: skyliner-aviation.

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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9323 times:

So the 77Ws are arriving that soon, eh? If they get 2, they'll definately do the CAI-JFK-CAI and CAI-JED-CAI roues.

User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6716 posts, RR: 77
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9293 times:



Quoting NA (Thread starter):
With the arrival of the 77Ws from next March onwards Egyptair will phase out the 772s, and the A332s arriving late next year the A342s will have to quit service too.

If that is true then it will be interesting to see what happens to the A342s. It's very likely the 772ERs will find new homes soon - but the A342s may be hard to place anywhere.


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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 8431 times:

Impressive how the combo 77W / 332 is becoming the standard nowadays.
That's quite a big increase in capacity from 772 to 77W though. I was not expecting SU to be ready for that, but good for them i guess...



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 7548 times:



Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 3):
Impressive how the combo 77W / 332 is becoming the standard nowadays.
That's quite a big increase in capacity from 772 to 77W though. I was not expecting SU to be ready for that, but good for them i guess...

You mean Egyptair?  Smile

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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 5232 times:



Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 3):
Impressive how the combo 77W / 332 is becoming the standard nowadays.

I was just thinking about that. The 77W and the A332 (especially w/ Trents) is a killer long haul combo for most operators, which explains both planes sales success.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
but the A342s may be hard to place anywhere.

What about VIP operators. The A342 would make a great VIP plane, or perhaps one of the Russian carriers could pick them up??



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 5072 times:



Quoting EA772LR (Reply 5):
The A342 would make a great VIP plane, or perhaps one of the Russian carriers could pick them up??

The A342s of which just a few dozen were built, are definitely not highly desirable aircraft anymore. Not only Egyptair, but also SAA plan to sell them soon. The only other operators which have more than just one or two I can think of are Royal Jordanian and Aerolineas Argentinas.


User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4315 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 5018 times:



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
but the A342s may be hard to place anywhere.

Think salvage...wouldn't the parts be more valuable than the plane as a whole? We're starting to see some relatively modern planes scrapped for their salvage value. Given the commonality of the 340 series then perhaps that is where these birds will end up. But I think if there's any chance at all for continued life in them then a private operator is the more likely end result.



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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 5002 times:



Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 3):
Impressive how the combo 77W / 332 is becoming the standard nowadays.
That's quite a big increase in capacity from 772 to 77W though. I was not expecting SU to be ready for that, but good for them i guess...

SU is the registration that all Egyptian aircraft must bear (like G for the UK, F for France etc.). MS is the code for Egyptair (derived from the Arabic name, Misr Air)
XD


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8218 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 4948 times:



Quoting EA772LR (Reply 5):
I was just thinking about that. The 77W and the A332 (especially w/ Trents) is a killer long haul combo for most operators, which explains both planes sales success.

True however in Egyptair's case, with such a small fleet I have to wonder about the effectiveness of a 2 type fleet. Airlines with such a small fleet typically opt for commonality. Wouldn't a A330/A340 combo be more efficient? I'd think that even a 777/787 in the long run would be better. Maybe that's where they're heading.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 4904 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 9):
True however in Egyptair's case, with such a small fleet I have to wonder about the effectiveness of a 2 type fleet. Airlines with such a small fleet typically opt for commonality. Wouldn't a A330/A340 combo be more efficient? I'd think that even a 777/787 in the long run would be better. Maybe that's where they're heading.

I also have my doubts here wether the 77Ws are too big. A332 vs. 77W is quite a step. And A332/A343s could indeed be more wise for an airline like Egyptair, especially as some fairly used A343s are on the market. Egyptair could face the same problem as Jet Airways who definitely arent happy with the A332/77W combination.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4755 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 4826 times:

MS should seriously look at placing an order for the A 332HGW which can be used to replace the A 342 to NRT + can easily fly nonstop from CAI to IAH and ORD. It can also be used to replace the B 772 to YUL for the summer seasonal run.

User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6716 posts, RR: 77
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 10):
And A332/A343s could indeed be more wise for an airline like Egyptair, especially as some fairly used A343s are on the market.

Probably MS doesn't want older used four-haulers, but brand new and more capable twins with a custom-built interior?

Quoting NA (Reply 10):
Egyptair could face the same problem as Jet Airways who definitely arent happy with the A332/77W combination.

Jet Airways expanded too fast and has been facing fierce competition. MS has built up its long-haul network over a long time. And we shouldn't forget the synergy effects of the membership in the Star Alliance.


PH

[Edited 2009-11-02 10:35:51]


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

I think that combo would be nice as MS has a plane that fills the gap left the 772ER, the A333 which they have 8 on order.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 11):

Agreed and could convert the options they have with airbus to this version.

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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12903 posts, RR: 100
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 4676 times:
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Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 7):
Think salvage...wouldn't the parts be more valuable than the plane as a whole?

I would have to agree. However, what is the future part demand for the A343 looking like (for engine related parts)?

Quoting NA (Reply 10):
And A332/A343s could indeed be more wise for an airline like Egyptair, especially as some fairly used A343s are on the market.

The A343's make sense? Not with fuel > $70/bbl. I could see the A332/77W combo.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
Jet Airways expanded too fast and has been facing fierce competition.

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Their issue is also 'load balancing' at their BRU hub. Having a large number of 77W's seeing wet leases is a perpetual issue for 9W.  Sad Until India builds an airport designed as a transfer hub, there will continue to be issues.

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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 4615 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 9):
Wouldn't a A330/A340 combo be more efficient? I'd think that even a 777/787 in the long run would be better. Maybe that's where they're heading.

Well MS is working on having one of the best longhaul fleets: A332/A333/77W. You couldn't really ask for a better working fleet, especially for MS's route network.



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8218 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 4469 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 14):
The A343's make sense? Not with fuel > $70/bbl. I could see the A332/77W combo.

But does that cost outweigh the cost of adding a completely different long haul type? Everything I've read on the subject says that 12 per type is the minimum number before another type starts to make good economic sense. MS will need 2 sets of crews/maintenance/catering/etc for each type. That seems like a lot of redundancy.

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 15):
Well MS is working on having one of the best longhaul fleets: A332/A333/77W. You couldn't really ask for a better working fleet, especially for MS's route network.

From an enthusiast point of view, sure, but last I checked airlines were a business that needed to make money. I would love to be driving a late model Mercedes too (and i can afford one), but it would get me to work at exactly the same time my trusty old Subaru does so i can't justify the investment  Smile


User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 4367 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 16):
From an enthusiast point of view, sure, but last I checked airlines were a business that needed to make money.

Maybe I am wrong (if so please correct me) but I thought MS had 77Ws on order/leased, 8 x 333s on order, and were looking to replace the 342s with 332s...am I wrong  Confused

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 16):
I would love to be driving a late model Mercedes too (and i can afford one), but it would get me to work at exactly the same time my trusty old Subaru does so i can't justify the investment Smile

I love Suburu's!! Great car! But, I think I would like an AMG Mercedes a little better  Wink



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12903 posts, RR: 100
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 4278 times:
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Quoting Airbazar (Reply 16):
But does that cost outweigh the cost of adding a completely different long haul type? Everything I've read on the subject says that 12 per type is the minimum number before another type starts to make good economic sense.

Another? Or replacement? I think its time to put the A343's out to pasture. I agree with your economies of scale. My assumption is the A34X leave the fleet.

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User currently offlineDennys From France, joined May 2001, 871 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

I am sad for the A342s , even if they get old now . I do hope a VIP governmnt will hand them over .

dennys


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

EgyptAir currently has ca 64 a/c...with currently 9 types in their fleet...not much commonality going on especially if you have 738s and A320s...they are state owned but very profitable so I can't complain...


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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8218 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3833 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 18):
Another? Or replacement? I think its time to put the A343's out to pasture. I agree with your economies of scale. My assumption is the A34X leave the fleet.

Maybe but the A346 would provide commonality with the A330 fleet and CAI is a pretty darn hot and there's plenty of evidence that the performance and efficiency of an A346 is not that inferior to that of a 77W under such conditions. Maybe the fact that it's JUST hot but neither high nor humid may tip the scale in favor of the 77W.


User currently offlineEgyptair269 From Egypt, joined Mar 2007, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3369 times:



Quoting NA (Thread starter):
With the arrival of the 77Ws from next March onwards Egyptair will phase out the 772s, and the A332s arriving late next year the A342s will have to quit service too.
Source: skyliner-aviation.

Great news, the MS 777-200s have horrible interiors, and they have brought MS lots of bad publicity in the past. As for their A340s, I flew on one of them to CDG back in 2005, their C class was a bit outdated, but their Y was perfectly fine, I dont understand why they are giving thier A340s away.

Quoting Directorguy (Reply 1):
So the 77Ws are arriving that soon, eh? If they get 2, they'll definately do the CAI-JFK-CAI and CAI-JED-CAI roues.



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
Probably MS doesn't want older used four-haulers, but brand new and more capable twins with a custom-built interior?

Just to clarify things here, MS have ordered 6 77Ws, with the first arriving in March 2010, 3 more arriving the rest of 2010, 1 in 2011, and 1 in 2013 (why is there such a huge time gap between them?). MS have also ordered 8 A330-300s, and options for 3 A330-200s, and they are due to arrvive begining from August 2010. All of the aircraft on order will have brand new interiors: PTVs in all classes, and new lie-flat business class seats. There are also plans to rennovate the interior of MS's current A330-200s in early 2010, to similar standards.

@ Directorguy, I doubt they will use them to JED, they have already confirmed Tokyo, and I think JFK and LHR will be served by the 77Ws too.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 11):
MS should seriously look at placing an order for the A 332HGW which can be used to replace the A 342 to NRT + can easily fly nonstop from CAI to IAH and ORD. It can also be used to replace the B 772 to YUL for the summer seasonal run.

MS have publicly stated that they plan to use Tokyo as one of the 77Ws routes. They also said they are seeking 2 more North American destinations. They currently serve JFK (daily) and YUL (seasonal).


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3046 times:



Quoting EA772LR (Reply 17):
Maybe I am wrong (if so please correct me) but I thought MS had 77Ws on order/leased, 8 x 333s on order, and were looking to replace the 342s with 332s...am I wrong

Good call..
MS has 5 x A333 on order according to Airbus ordersheet.
It seems to been forgotten in this thread or was the thread-starter referring to the wrong aircraft type?  Smile



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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2759 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 21):
Maybe but the A346 would provide commonality with the A330 fleet and CAI is a pretty darn hot and there's plenty of evidence that the performance and efficiency of an A346 is not that inferior to that of a 77W under such conditions. Maybe the fact that it's JUST hot but neither high nor humid may tip the scale in favor of the 77W.

CAI is indeed hot (not never high or humid) but not all year round, of course. I wouldn't put it with NBO, ADD, LOS etc. and all the other hot 'n' high places. The A346 is too much of a niche aircraft and is used on a couple of shorter routes like CAI-LHR and JED.

I'd say the 77W/A330 combi is ideally suited to the network, and reflects MS's current ops and future growth plans.
The current A343 interiors are pretty shabby, and one can feel the age in them. I doubt c

Quoting Egyptair269 (Reply 22):

Still, JED would be an excellent crew familirisation route, seeing as there is enough demand to fill a plane like that (theoretically). A single 77W can't do a daily CAI-NRT anyway.


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