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Couple Steals 1,000 Bags From PHX  
User currently offlineRb211tristar From United States of America, joined May 2007, 185 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11760 times:

ABC News is report a couple stole over 1,000 pieces of luggage from Sky Harbor over the course of several years! I bet the execs at US are pissed to find out that all of the bad press and payouts for lost luggage weren't all their fault! haha

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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4360 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11616 times:

It still amazes me that with all the security poo-hah at US airports, you can just access the bags caroussel area from the outside without any security and park your pickup truck 20 yards away. I always wonder when travelling in the US what if a thief put on a fake beard (IF the airport even uses and checks camera footage if bags are lost) and load a bunch of bags in their pickup.
In airports elsewhere in the world, you usually can't get into the bag pick up area from the outside.



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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11553 times:

Years ago, several US Airports, most noteably LAS, used to check claim checks as you left the baggage claim area. Security made sure that you left the baggage claim with your bags, and only your bags. Strangely, this practice was abandonded years ago.

User currently offlineJohnMKE From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11499 times:



Quoting Rb211tristar (Thread starter):
the execs at US are pissed

I would say they won't be pissed but excited that this amount of baggage wasn't being stolen by employees.
At the same time it is good to see that the airport police caught this person but sad to see that this guy and his wife were doing this (if taking only one bag a night based on the arrest) over multiple years.

Thank you for sharing this article.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11497 times:



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
It still amazes me that with all the security poo-hah at US airports, you can just access the bags caroussel area from the outside without any security and park your pickup truck 20 yards away. I always wonder when travelling in the US what if a thief put on a fake beard (IF the airport even uses and checks camera footage if bags are lost) and load a bunch of bags in their pickup.
In airports elsewhere in the world, you usually can't get into the bag pick up area from the outside.

Yeah, it's bad. In the US, though, most (all?) airlines do issue you a baggage claim stub on your ticket jacket, which, if any airports actually bothered to enforce it, would mean that you would have to match your bag...

ELP enforced the baggage claim stubs for a couple of years in the early 2000's because Mexican street gangs were doing precisely this, pulling up in a pickup truck and grabbing bags that looked good off of the baggage claim carousel.

A simpler solution for airport remodels would be to just put the baggage claim carousels in the secured area...



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User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11366 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
Yeah, it's bad. In the US, though, most (all?) airlines do issue you a baggage claim stub on your ticket jacket, which, if any airports actually bothered to enforce it, would mean that you would have to match your bag...

I had to show my stubs to security at PHX, at least in 2006.

I did not have to show my stubs to security in DUB. Nor in LGW. Nor in LHR. And though this was quite some time ago, I didn't have to show anything in FRA either.


User currently offlineHestaman From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11339 times:



Quoting Khobar (Reply 5):
I did not have to show my stubs to security in DUB. Nor in LGW. Nor in LHR. And though this was quite some time ago, I didn't have to show anything in FRA either.

Aren't the baggage areas in those airports all in sterile locations? I have only flown to LHR & FRA... and both times they were international arrivals from the US... but international arrivals are all sterile and are picked up prior to clearing customs... even in the US. These two clowns would never get away with picking up bags from international flights - even in the US...


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3025 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11259 times:

in FRA the entry to the reclaim area is inside the public area so everybody can access it (expect in Terminal 1C and Terminal 2). last time I moved back to Germany I actually asked my friend to come inside to help me with all my bags  Smile

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11178 times:

I flew SWA just two months prior to 9/11 and had to show my bag claim tickets in PHX and STL to claim my bags before leaving the airport.

The same deal in MCO and STL also on SWA in 2003, after 9/11.

I didn't check bags again until 2005, and did not have to show any claim tickets when I flew in RSW or STL this time on American Airlines.

Alex



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User currently offlineCM767 From Panama, joined Dec 2004, 655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11168 times:



Quoting Hestaman (Reply 6):
Aren't the baggage areas in those airports all in sterile locations? I have only flown to LHR & FRA... and both times they were international arrivals from the US... but international arrivals are all sterile and are picked up prior to clearing customs... even in the US. These two clowns would never get away with picking up bags from international flights - even in the US...

A couple of years ago I arrived at PHX from a domestic flight and the area was open to the public.

For International, the carousels are on a sterile area.



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User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11057 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
A simpler solution for airport remodels would be to just put the baggage claim carousels in the secured area...

This still wouldn't eliminate the problem of people from other flights stealing bags that don't belong to them.

I wonder how many times people mistakenly take bags that don't belong to them thinking they were theirs because they looked similar??

Regardless, whenever 'security' would look at the claim ticket against what was on the bag, they never checked closely. You could've gotten away with using an old stub and they wouldn't know the difference...I did an 'experiment' once where my buddy and I switched claim tickets to see if they'd notice, and they had no clue...


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11000 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
A simpler solution for airport remodels would be to just put the baggage claim carousels in the secured area...

Not really. What would prevent me from removing my (lawfully checked) gun or knife from my checked bag, and giving it to a passenger who had already been screened and was about to board a plane?



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10980 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 2):
Years ago, several US Airports, most noteably LAS, used to check claim checks as you left the baggage claim area. Security made sure that you left the baggage claim with your bags, and only your bags. Strangely, this practice was abandonded years ago.

They used to check at ORD and MDW, it doesn't seem that long ago. I think it is odd that they don't anymore, I am sure this is where most of the bags go missing. Cost cutting measure I am sure!


User currently offlineForce13 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10962 times:

About a year ago in BUF they had a couple get caught with a ton of bags in their garage. Sad thing was that they used their child to help them out.

And people wonder why I hate checking bags.



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User currently offlineSfuk From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10942 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
Not really. What would prevent me from removing my (lawfully checked) gun or knife from my checked bag, and giving it to a passenger who had already been screened and was about to board a plane?

The baggage reclaim would be in an area that prevents re-entry into the bording area as is the case in most EU airports and the US & Canada when arriving from an international flight.

Stu


User currently offlinePWMRamper From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 649 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10933 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
A simpler solution for airport remodels would be to just put the baggage claim carousels in the secured area...

The checked luggage cannot be in the sterile area of the airport, there are many, many things you can check in your luggage but you cannot have in the sterile area.


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3072 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10934 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
What would prevent me from removing my (lawfully checked) gun or knife from my checked bag, and giving it to a passenger who had already been screened and was about to board a plane?

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Unless you segregate arriving / departing pax. For example, if arriving at LAX from an international destination and connecting, you have to claim your bags, clear customs and recheck them inside the secure arrivals area, then exit and re-clear security. Pain in the ass, but it is secure.



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4360 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10882 times:



Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 10):
This still wouldn't eliminate the problem of people from other flights stealing bags that don't belong to them

Still my gut feeling says that's much more unlikely. The Passengers identity is registered somewhere. They have to organize getting from another town and have the infrastructure ready to tow away the stolen bags as quickly as possible in the place of arrival. The mere fact they travel filters out typical petty thiefs who are often short of money, have no credit cards or legal identity (passport) to travel. If I were a thief I would not bother to take a flight first but try to cut in weak spots after arrival, for instance bags piled up at hotel shuttles or open bag carrousel halls.

Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 10):
wonder how many times people mistakenly take bags that don't belong to them thinking they were theirs because they looked similar??

the bag of my mother was once taken by an Italian, but he gave it back to lost luggage later when he found out it wasn't his. Probably the thing 99,9% of us would do.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
Not really. What would prevent me from removing my (lawfully checked) gun or knife from my checked bag

"Secured" would here mean a hall you can't (re) enter from the outside, which you most often see in Europe, where you can't put luggage there in a chain which it gets on board of another plane unchecked.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10884 times:



Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 10):
Regardless, whenever 'security' would look at the claim ticket against what was on the bag, they never checked closely. You could've gotten away with using an old stub and they wouldn't know the difference...I did an 'experiment' once where my buddy and I switched claim tickets to see if they'd notice, and they had no clue...

Well, most airlines also put 2-D barcodes on these stickers, which means you could give the security guys an inexpensive handheld barcode scanner to do their job...  sly 



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21590 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10863 times:

The simple solution is for pax to get to the baggage claim before their luggage starts coming out, and to know what their luggage looks like.

It's hard to have your bag stolen if you are there and looking. It's easy when you are among the pax who leave their luggage on the belt while you are off doing lord knows what. I never understood how after every flight, there would be "left over" bags.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10786 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 19):
The simple solution is for pax to get to the baggage claim before their luggage starts coming out, and to know what their luggage looks like.

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In fairness, though, that's hard to do at some airports, often those that were once busy hubs but are now much quieter (e.g. STL).



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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3072 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10753 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
that's hard to do at some airports, often those that were once busy hubs but are now much quieter (e.g. STL).

And even some busy ones. At AKL, even during peak arrivals time, baggage is often already on the carousel by the time you get through immigration.



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User currently offlineIainbhx From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10752 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 2):
Years ago, several US Airports, most noteably LAS, used to check claim checks as you left the baggage claim area. Security made sure that you left the baggage claim with your bags, and only your bags.

Well, it's been a while (2005), but I remember doing this all the time at ABQ but only on WN flights. Never seen it anywhere else in the world.



iainbhx
User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1665 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10588 times:
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My wife’s niece and her husband had 2 sets of expensive golf clubs and their hard shell cases stolen at PHX a few years ago. Since they had the receipts for the clubs, US Air paid them for their stolen golf gear.

I wonder if these people are the ones who stole their golf clubs.

JetStar


User currently offlineDesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10538 times:

What strange, greedy people to do this. Think of how many ruined vacations they single handedly caused. I've travel through Sky Harbor quite a bit since 2006 and have never once had to show my claim check. At OAK back in the 90's and early 00's they would always check, but they seemed to stop doing that sometime around 04.

25 ArcrftLvr : I think that's the solution right there...Seems easy enough. It would just be a matter of the airlines ponying up the extra $$$ to hire security at t
26 Ikramerica : This is not the issue at almost all USA airports. You will always get to the baggage claim before your bags start coming out if you don't waste time.
27 HNL2BOS : I dont understand, Costco and Walmart check tags when exiting the building it would be nice if airlines did the same. Even random spot checks, shouldn
28 Maverick623 : Well, they're technically 1-D as the information is based on only the width of each bar. The 2-D ones look like a bunch of black and white boxes, bec
29 666Wizard : Not anywhere in Europe I have visited... the baggage area is in an "airside" area, separate from outgoing passengers, as others have mentioned. You c
30 Flyiguy : This practice is still used at HNL, LAX, & MIA...Not sure about any others... Just my 0.02
31 Jetstar : There are times when someone takes a bump to get vouchers, but their luggage stays on the airplane so when the luggage gets to its destination it will
32 KPHXFlyer : I fly through PHX alot and have never had to wait more than 15 minutes for my bag on WN or US/HP. To Ikramerica's point, WN doesn't always keep your
33 OB1504 : I haven't seen this at MIA in over a year. If anything, it may be an AA practice that is infrequently enforced.
34 N1120A : Yeah. Seems pretty simple. Then again, there are inevitable issues with people losing the claim checks because of how sporadically they actually get
35 Cubsrule : That's a good point, though airlines like LA (domestic) have been dealing with it for years by simply sticking them on the back of the boarding pass,
36 Hamad : I have lived in phoenix, AZ for quiet a while, and checked bags so many times. usually after i am at the baggage claim, the bags start coming out in l
37 9VSIO : Could you please elaborate?
38 Argonaut : AFAIK, this happens everywhere in the world, on every airline. Yes, it happens. Once, after passing through Immigration at CVG on arrival from LGW (b
39 Wdleiser : and may explain while over there you all have more stabbings... Anyways back on topic, this happened at IAH a year or so ago but I believe it was int
40 PWMRamper : Say I checked a rifle with ammunition. Perfectly fine to check, people do it all the time. If my luggage were offloaded inside the sterile area of th
41 9VSIO : Do you mean offloaded from the aircraft, or the passenger picking the bags up after the flight?
42 CrimsonNL : At AMS, you arrive and clear immigrations, (or doors that close behind you if you come from a schengen flight). This is a point where you no longer c
43 September11 : All baggage carousel area should be fenced and off limits to arriving passengers only...
44 N14AZ : Right, I pick up people from there if they are arriving via Terminal 1. They are always so suprised to see me there and not outside. There is a guard
45 Ychocky : Here at YOW I often wonder who would notice a person walk in from the street, grab a bag and walk out. The carousel is 20 steps from the door. Dress u
46 Mir : That's exactly what to do. And it wouldn't be that hard to remodel most US airports for this - all you'd need to add is a thin barrier with a couple
47 Manfredj : I have an opposite opinion. It's still nice to know that for (the most part) our system works and there is little theft. Yes, there are isolated inci
48 Nyc2theworld : Terminal 7 at JFK is like this for Domestic. There is a person standing downstairs by the restrooms and hallway that comes from domestic baggage claim
49 Cmk10 : I have to say baggage security at PHX didn't strike me as very thorough the one time I used them. Two months ago I was flying LAX-PHX and I VDBed and
50 Ikramerica : That's a good point. That does explain some of those bags. A way to prevent that is to have one employee checking any bag that comes back around more
51 ThegreatRDU : Security guards really don't have to be hired...just the Airport police just has to step up patrols in the baggage claim area now that could be a huge
52 ArcrftLvr : Not at LAX. They did this up until about 2001 maybe even in to 2002. Well, then you're lucky. I flew in and out of PHX almost every week once they ba
53 UALWN : Due to lines at immigration, I have arrived at the baggage carousel way after my bags did in multiple occasions when flying from Europe into ORD, SFO
54 Jetstar : If you are arriving on an international flight, except from those locations which have pre-clearance, once you clear immigration, the baggage pickup
55 UALWN : That is correct. I was just replying to a post that stated that in most US airports you will always arrive to the baggage carousel before your bags.
56 Post contains links Khobar : Okay, some more information: "Airport officials said they will discuss security measures, such as reinstituting routine baggage-claim checks to ensure
57 KPHXFlyer : OT, but it's not the actual light-rail. PHX is getting a "people-mover" similar to LAS Terminal C & D. The people mover will connect all the terminal
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