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AF A380 CDG-JNB Now Bookable!  
User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1843 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6934 times:

Hi everyone
AF A380 service to JNB will begin on feb 3, 2010 and is now bookable
AF990 : CDG - JNB : 23:20 - 10:55 next day
AF995 : JNB - CDG : 20:30 - 6:00 next day

A380 service will be first operated 3 times a week (to JNB : wed, fri, sunday. From JNB : Thur, sat, mon). Other days are 772 and/or 77W. From march 28 A380 service becomes daily.

http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/pr...-de-la380-a-partir-du-23-novembre/

Enjoy your flights  wave 

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User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6889 times:

How many A380 wil AF have when they start the route??? and what routes will be serve before JNB??

YUL, CDG and Tokyo?????

Very nice to see that they have 2-2-2 confing in the business class cabin, this 2-3-2 is awful configuration in my opinion........


User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6748 times:

They have JFK operation with 388 for this December... All this with one airplane? When is the second one arriving?

BTW, why is it "U.s.a " in their schedule?  Smile


User currently offlineHawaiian763 From Canada, joined May 2009, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6663 times:

I always thought that YUL would be the first destination for AF's first A380 instead of JFK. And now JNB is going to be next for the A380. When does YUL start?

User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6631 times:

Great for spotters coz the big bird will be on the ground in JNB for 9 hours


The grass is greener where you water it
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6612 times:



Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 3):
I always thought that YUL would be the first destination for AF's first A380 instead of JFK. And now JNB is going to be next for the A380. When does YUL start?

The AF A380 configuration has far too many premium F and J class seats for YUL. They have many other routes were they can make much better use of the F and J capacity than YUL.

In my opinion, the only way it would make sense to use the A380 to YUL would be if they introduced a higher-density seating configurarion on some A380s with no F class and less than half the number of J seats (currently 80), and then only during the peak summer months.


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1843 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6505 times:

YUL : unfortunately, no more A380 on the map (this has been discussed many many times on A.net). AF preferred to add a 4th daily frequency (summer season only).
JFK is starting on nov 23 (charity flights on 20-21/11). DXB is also no more planned (was initially planned for a short period of time). So JNB will be the 2nd destination. NRT should be the 3rd one


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6199 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 1):
How many A380 wil AF have when they start the route??? and what routes will be serve before JNB??

YUL, CDG and Tokyo?????

More information here :

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4593658/

F-HPJA : délivered on Oct. 31 2009

F-HPJB : to be delivered in January 2010

F-HPJC : to be délivered mid-March

F-HPJD : to be delivered in June

F-HPJE : to be dlivered in December 2010.


AF A380 destinations (up to now) :

1) JFK

2) JNB

3) NRT

4) IAD


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6107 times:

Perhaps I'm naive and don't know where AF makes money, but I'm surprised they do so well to JNB. Is there that much traffic locally, or are they feeding all over Europe?

They must be making buckets of money on the route to be able to afford leaving an A380 on the ground in JNB for so many hours.


User currently offlineKLM672 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2455 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5992 times:

Hello. I'll be traveling on JFK-CDG Dec 19th on the A380. I am very much looking forward to it. I have seen many pictures of other airlines where they have the skycam and passengers can watch the aircraft during flight. Will Air France also have this feature?
Thanks!


User currently offlineImag From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5926 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 8):
Perhaps I'm naive and don't know where AF makes money, but I'm surprised they do so well to JNB. Is there that much traffic locally, or are they feeding all over Europe?

They must be making buckets of money on the route to be able to afford leaving an A380 on the ground in JNB for so many hours.

A couple of reasons, in my opinion:

- No SAA in Paris any more.
- From the UK, AF is generally (in my experience) cheaper than the direct airlines and only really adds about an hour to the trip. There is a large SA expat community in the UK and they all love going home for holidays. As well as SA being a good holiday destination being on the same time line as Europe (roughly) and relatively cheap. All the flights I've been on (and thats several) between SA and LHR (direct or indirect) have always been packed. No matter what time of year. It also means people outside London can transit via Paris rather than LHR if they want. SAA has reduced their LHR capacity from two 744's to JNB a night, to one 346 and one 342 (and on some nights only one 346), so there is demand from the UK.
- Lots of transits to/from Canada (another large SA expat community). South African's need visa's to transit the UK and the US, but not Europe. So it's cheaper and less of a hassle to fly via Europe.
- The USA. Not sure why, but all the AF flights I've been on have had a large number of US accents on. Guess it could be cheaper than the direct flights and from Paris you can get to anywhere in the US, against only the east coast on the direct flights and then connecting from there.


User currently offlineAirNovaBAe146 From Canada, joined Jun 2008, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5865 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 8):
They must be making buckets of money on the route to be able to afford leaving an A380 on the ground in JNB for so many hours.

Thats how almost all the large European airlines that fly to JNB schedule their flights there.

International flights such as JNB - CDG are driven by premium passengers, who generally prefer an evening departure, which usually translates to an AM arrival and connection possibilities onward in the AF system. If you look on the north side of the international terminal in daytime hours, you'll see numerous widebodies from various int'l carriers awaiting their evening departures. That 9 hours of ground time, which frustrating isn't that critical when you compare it to the extra revenue it brings in by waiting for their night time departures. If the flight left in daytime hours, you could fill it, but likely only with economy fares, and that isn't feasible financially. Only on the busiest routes (JNB - LHR) do you (occasionally) see daytime flights.

AN


User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5770 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 8):
They must be making buckets of money on the route to be able to afford leaving an A380 on the ground in JNB for so many hours.

maybe not...

The A380 could be used to reduce number of flight keeping the same number of seat in the route.


User currently offlineShamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5705 times:

Obviously CDG-JNB is quite a good route for AF, so how come they dont servce CPT at all?

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5691 times:



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 13):
Obviously CDG-JNB is quite a good route for AF, so how come they dont servce CPT at all?

KLM is in charge of serving CPT for AFKL.
If JNB can sustain services to both CDG and AMS, by for AF & KL, there is probably not enough potential traffic to CPT for both of them. AF to CPT could compete with KL and turn the route unprofitable which is not of course the purpose of the group.


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1843 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5491 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 12):
The A380 could be used to reduce number of flight keeping the same number of seat in the route.

That's what AF will do.
JFK : from 5 to 4 daily flights
JNB : When A380 service will be daily, they will go down from 2 to 1 daily flight


User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5339 times:



Quoting Imag (Reply 10):
SAA has reduced their LHR capacity from two 744's to JNB a night, to one 346 and one 342 (and on some nights only one 346)

In the last 2 years I've not seen only 1 JNB-LHR flight by SAA due to scheduling (only because of tech probs). They have in fact a couple of times in recent months been adding a B744 back on that route to boost capacity.

The decision to downgrade from B744 was the fact it's an unprofitable route for SA due to the extremely high lease costs on their B744, so using their A340's is supposedly a healthier financial option, and they don't have 2 A346 to use on that route as they are deployed elsewhere.



A306, A313, A319, A320, A321, A332, A343, A345, A346 A388, AC90, B06, B722, B732, B733, B735, B738, B744, B762, B772, B7
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5304 times:



Quoting Goldorak (Reply 15):
JNB : When A380 service will be daily, they will go down from 2 to 1 daily flight

The second Daily flight (B777) will be reduced to 3 x Weekly dring the high season.

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 15):
That's what AF will do.
JFK : from 5 to 4 daily flights

Winter 2009/2010 only.
AF will be back to 5 x Daily on CDG-JFK-CDG next summer and even 6 x Daily during the highest peak of the sumer season (starting June 21).


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1843 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5243 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 17):
Winter 2009/2010 only.
AF will be back to 5 x Daily on CDG-JFK-CDG next summer and even 6 x Daily during the highest peak of the sumer season (starting June 21).

Thanks for the info FlySSC !


User currently offlineImag From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5160 times:



Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 16):
In the last 2 years I've not seen only 1 JNB-LHR flight by SAA due to scheduling (only because of tech probs). They have in fact a couple of times in recent months been adding a B744 back on that route to boost capacity.

The decision to downgrade from B744 was the fact it's an unprofitable route for SA due to the extremely high lease costs on their B744, so using their A340's is supposedly a healthier financial option, and they don't have 2 A346 to use on that route as they are deployed elsewhere.

I'm not an airline employee in any sense, but when my Mom flew back in May there was only the one flight on the Sunday night and the staff at the counter at LHR said they reduced it to one flight a night on some nights because of demand.

As for the 744, I'm fully aware of that story and using the 346's elsewehere, but it does still show a reduced capacity and hence why other airlines can take up some of that capacity. I've never been on a flight from LHR to JNB that wasn't packed. But it will be great to see the 744's in SA colours back at LHR, the best looking 744's in the world.


User currently offlineAirNovaBAe146 From Canada, joined Jun 2008, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5075 times:



Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 16):
The decision to downgrade from B744 was the fact it's an unprofitable route for SA due to the extremely high lease costs on their B744,

Why not do something about this on the supply side.
This is a soft market for aircraft leasing - you'd think SAA could go to their supplier and get the B744 costs reduced to a more palatable rate.


User currently offlineAF777300ER From France, joined Aug 2007, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5062 times:



Quoting Imag (Reply 10):
Hello. I'll be traveling on JFK-CDG Dec 19th on the A380. I am very much looking forward to it. I have seen many pictures of other airlines where they have the skycam and passengers can watch the aircraft during flight. Will Air France also have this feature?
Thanks!

Hi, I will be on the 1st JFK - CDG AF A380 commercial flight on November 23th, and I am almost sure they have got this equipment. I think I have seen a cabin pic showing the take-off view on the individual TV screen. I think there is also one cam on the vertical fin.



Next trip : BOD - CDG - GIG - SSA - GIG - CDG - BOD
User currently offlineKLM672 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2455 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4983 times:



Quoting AF777300ER (Reply 21):
Quoting Imag (Reply 10):
Hello. I'll be traveling on JFK-CDG Dec 19th on the A380. I am very much looking forward to it. I have seen many pictures of other airlines where they have the skycam and passengers can watch the aircraft during flight. Will Air France also have this feature?
Thanks!

Hi, I will be on the 1st JFK - CDG AF A380 commercial flight on November 23th, and I am almost sure they have got this equipment. I think I have seen a cabin pic showing the take-off view on the individual TV screen. I think there is also one cam on the vertical fin.

Thanks! Can I expect to read a trip repot upon your return?


User currently offlineAF777300ER From France, joined Aug 2007, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4953 times:



Quoting KLM672 (Reply 22):
Thanks! Can I expect to read a trip repot upon your return?

I'll try to do it !



Next trip : BOD - CDG - GIG - SSA - GIG - CDG - BOD
User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1843 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4835 times:



Quoting KLM672 (Reply 9):
Hello. I'll be traveling on JFK-CDG Dec 19th on the A380. I am very much looking forward to it. I have seen many pictures of other airlines where they have the skycam and passengers can watch the aircraft during flight. Will Air France also have this feature?

Hey ! I'll be on the CDG-JFK A380 the same day as you ! too bad ! So you'll fly on the A/C which will bring me in JFK  Smile

Quoting KLM672 (Reply 22):
Thanks! Can I expect to read a trip repot upon your return?



Quoting AF777300ER (Reply 23):
I'll try to do it !

I'll try to do it also. I will be in First  champagne   bouncy   cloudnine  so I will have the opportunity to try the new AF 1st lounge at CDG2E


25 777STL : Ehh, it's really more of a novelty than anything else - the resolution isn't very good and it's worthless at night and/or at altitude.
26 KLM672 : Thanks! Well, I'll be flying at night anyway, but it would be something new to experence (along with flying AF, A380 and into CDG-all first for me).
27 RIX : - is it a separate one from Business?
28 Mindscape : Correct, it is only dedicated to 1st class passengers. AF did not make any big communication campaign for this new facility; AF keeps it discreet as
29 Post contains links Goldorak : some details here : http://www.airfrance.co.uk/GB/en/com...OD75yBQ8kieE&BV_EngineID=140ufo7k3
30 N93109 : I see that you say CDG - IAD will be the forth destination for the AF 380. If there was that much demand, why not swap out the 77W or even 744 in the
31 YULWinterSkies : Actually, it sort of has the right capacity for the winter (one 744 and one 772 daily used at the moment roughly sum up to 1 A380 in capacity in each
32 Goldorak : The demand is clearly here for AF to IAD. They have almost killed UA on this route which stays at one daily flight for them, while AF now run 3 daily
33 N93109 : It is so refreshing to read the growth AF is seeing in this market to sustain the big bird. All we have been reading lately is carriers reducing capac
34 Viscount724 : I expect even the current F and J capacity on the 744 and 772 is too much for the YUL market.
35 Goldorak : F probably (the flight is too short to justify a lot of F seats) but J works well for AF to YUL. I fly often this route in J on AF and the loads are
36 Viscount724 : Seats being full in J are not necessarily an indication that passengers are paying the J fare. I have been on AF flights CDG-YUL where it appeared th
37 Goldorak : Of course, this happens but do not underestimate the J demand on this route. It's higher than you think.
38 FlySSC : CDG-IAD is one of the most profitable route for AF in North America and one with the highest yield. There is a very strong F & J demand as AF has qui
39 SNBru : I was on the JNB-CDG flight this weekend. I was talking to the AF ground staff manager and she told me that the AF flights were always completely book
40 Goldorak : Good. So they should be able to sell "easily" the 80 J seats of the A380, going down to 1 daily flight
41 Pellegrine : Gasp! Goldorak, I want a trip report with beaucoup photos!!! Especially looking for info on the new lounge in 2E. I also want to know about F on the
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