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OAG Changes 11/6/09: AM/CO/DL/F9/FL/HA/MX/NW/UA/US  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8290 times:

This compares what is for sale this week for the stated period versus what was for sale the prior week...NOT the prior year.

How to read:
AAA-BBB 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
AAA-BBB 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing

A lot of dropped routes this week... Sad


AB (AIR BERLIN)
JFK-DUS 0>3/WK MAR-APR
JFK-DUS 0>5/WK MAY-
LAX-DUS 0>2/WK MAY-
SFO-DUS 0>2/WK MAY-

AM
ABQ-CUU 3/WK>0 JAN-
DEN-MEX 1>0 APR-
LAS-HMO 0>1/WK MAR-APR
LAX-AGU 0>1/WK MAR-APR
SAT-MTY 0>2/WK MAR-APR

CO
GPT-JAX 3/WK>0 FEB-
GPT-TPA 3/WK>0 FEB-

DL
ATL-HHH 0>3 MAR- (SF3)
BOS-RSW 1>0 JAN- XFER TO NW
BOS-PBI 1>0 JAN- XFER TO NW
CVG-JAX 2>1 JAN-
JFK-MBJ 0>2/WK MAY (PREV WAS A GAP)
SLC-OAK 6>8 JAN- (ODD?)

F9
DEN-MSY 0>1 JUN-

FL
ATL-LAS 3>4 APR-
ATL-LAX 3>4 APR-
ATL-MCO 11>10 JAN-
ATL-SEA 0>2 MAY-
BWI-DFW 0>9/WK MAY-
BWI-SEA 0>9/WK MAY-
IND-LAX 0>4/WK MAY-

HA
(RELATED TO MOLU SHUTDOWN?)
HNL-KOA 18>17 DEC-
HNL-LIH 22>19 DEC-
HNL-OGG 28>26 DEC-

MX
LAX-MEX 5>7 DEC-
SMF-BJX 2/WK>0 DEC-
SMF-MLM 2/WK>0 DEC-

NW
BOS-RSW 0>1 JAN- XFER FROM DL
BOS-PBI 0>1 JAN- XFER FROM DL
DTW-AZO 6>7 JAN-
LGA-MSY 2>3 FEB-
MSP-STC 3>0 JAN-
MSP-ZLO DELAYED START TILL FEB FROM JAN

TS
FLL-YHZ 1/WK>0 FEB-
FLL-YUL 4/WK>1/WK JAN-APR
MCO-YQB 1/WK>0 DEC-
MCO-YUL 2/WK>1/WK DEC-

UA
ASE-DEN 11>12 FEB-APR
DEN-CVG 2>1 FEB-APR
DEN-GEG 2>3 FEB-
DEN-ICT 4>5 FEB-
DEN-LAS 7>8 FEB-
DEN-PHX 6>7 JAN-MAR
DEN-SAT 4>5 FEB-
DEN-SGF 3>2 FEB-APR
DEN-YYZ 2>3 FEB-

US
CLT-ABE 4>3 JAN-
CLT-CDG 7/WK>5/WK FEB-APR
COS-PHX 4>0 JAN-
LAS-BOS 2>1 DEC-
LAS-DTW 1>0 JAN-
LAS-FLL 1>0 FEB-
LAS-LAX 6>5 JAN-
LAS-MCO 1>0 FEB-
LAS-MSP 1>0 DEC (RESUMES IN JAN? ERROR?)
LAS-ORD 3>0 FEB-
LAS-SAN 3>0 JAN-
LAS-SEA 2>0 DEC-
LAS-SJC 1>0 DEC-
LAS-SMF 1>0 DEC
LAS-SMF 2>0 JAN-
LAS-SNA 6>0 FEB-
LAS-YVR 1>0 DEC-
PHL-ARN 1>0 MAY-
PHL-BHX 1>0 MAY-
PHL-MXP 1>0 APR-
PHL-SNN 1>0 MAY-
PHX-IAD 1>0 FEB-
PHX-MEX 1>2 FEB-
PHX-RDU 1>0 FEB-

YX
MCO-OMA 0>4/WK JAN-
TPA-OMA 0>2/WK JAN-

ZK
STL-CGI 2>0 DEC-
FMN-DEN 2>1 MAR-
MCI-TBN 3>1 DEC-
MWA-STL 3>0 DEC-
PGA-FMN 1>0 MAR-
PGA-PHX 0>1 MAR- (NOW CONTINUES)
SOW-PHX 0>2 MAR- (NOW CONTINUES)
STL-TBN 0>2 DEC-
STL-UIN 3>0 DEC-

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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8202 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
CO
GPT-JAX 3/WK>0 FEB-
GPT-TPA 3/WK>0 FEB-

Seems to be a lot of schizophrenia on CO's part about this route. Not that I'm surprised, I really question the viability of these routes using ERJ's.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8172 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1):
Seems to be a lot of schizophrenia on CO's part about this route. Not that I'm surprised, I really question the viability of these routes using ERJ's.

Clearly those routes are subsidized. What often happens is that it appears an agreement is in place and they load the flights for sale. If anything goes wrong with the deal, the airline will often threaten to stop taking bookings because it is no skin off their nose due to the subsidy which makes the other party responsible (casinos in this case).

You may know more being down there, but that pattern is not uncommon.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8112 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
PHX-RDU 1>0 FEB-

I assume WN flies this route nonstop so perhaps US couldn't compete. Still, RDU has a pretty large lack of West Coast flying, so in some ways it surprises me to see this one go. You'd think US would want to beef up PHX even more now that LAS is being pulled back.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8066 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 3):
I assume WN flies this route nonstop so perhaps US couldn't compete. Still, RDU has a pretty large lack of West Coast flying, so in some ways it surprises me to see this one go. You'd think US would want to beef up PHX even more now that LAS is being pulled back.

I don't think this cut was public until I posted it. I haven't seen it anywhere. It's a little surprising, but you might be right.


User currently offlineCmk10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8046 times:

Im also wondering if that PHX-RDU cut is permenent. I'd appreciate any more information on it.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23022 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8032 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
CLT-CDG 7/WK>5/WK FEB-APR

Glad to see this sticking around, albeit with a frequency reduction. It certainly isn't the best economic climate for new TATL flights, and I wondered whether CLT-CDG would succeed.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently onlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7940 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
IND-LAX 0>4/WK MAY-

I checked airtran.com and the route runs daily. Starts on May 27th and runs every day.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7831 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
STL-CGI 2>0 DEC-



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
MWA-STL 3>0 DEC-



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
STL-UIN 3>0 DEC-

These will be picked up by Cape Air.

MWA-STL goes to 6 daily
CGI-STL goes to 4 daily
UIN-STL goes to 6 daily.

All starting November 8th.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 3):
I assume WN flies this route nonstop

They do, One Daily.

Alex



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2869 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7427 times:

Well US didn't waste any time in officially dismantling [what was left of] its LAS hub. Has AA loaded all of its STL cuts/ORD additions yet?

Also, I see that PHX continues to get cut  Angry. Now that all of those connecting options through LAS are gone, I would think PHX could easily support a few more flights to California, which in turn could support the likes of RDU/IAD/MIA/CLE/BDL etc. that have been (or soon will be) cut in recent years.



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User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 754 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7312 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Also, I see that PHX continues to get cut Angry. Now that all of those connecting options through LAS are gone, I would think PHX could easily support a few more flights

Yeah, for being their 3rd Largest Hub PHX has taken the back seat clearly ever since the merger. They really haven't done anything but maybe add a couple flights and take a couple away. Kinda makes you question the future of the PHX hub.

I doubt that they would get rid of PHX since they need some sort of western hub but they don't seem very interested in PHX right now...



Mason



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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2688 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7195 times:

What airport is ZLO? Doesn't show the name of the airport.


It ain't no normal MD80 its a Super 80!
User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7142 times:

Manzanillo,MX is ZLO


"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlineSlcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7057 times:

Interesting to see DL reving OAK up to 8 flights a day but its in a large market they must be having pretty decent loads to justify pumping the market up. Unless DL is trying to make another statement to WN again  Smile which i doubt

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6458 times:



Quoting Slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 13):
Interesting to see DL reving OAK up to 8 flights a day but its in a large market they must be having pretty decent loads to justify pumping the market up. Unless DL is trying to make another statement to WN again which i doubt

Greater frequency with smaller aircraft is why.

Today:
2x MD-90
3x CR7
1x CR2

January:
1x MD-90
4x CR7
3x CR2


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23022 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6115 times:



Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 10):
I doubt that they would get rid of PHX since they need some sort of western hub but they don't seem very interested in PHX right now...

Ask yourself, though, what expansion possibilities they have missed in PHX. I can't think of many, and most of what has been added in CLT and PHL has succeeded.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5698 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
PHX-RDU 1>0 FEB-

So the remnants of America West are gone at RDU...right now its a big time under performer...I don't know what the times where but I heard they where horrible...everyone was going through PHL or CLT anyway....



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User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5675 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
NW
MSP-STC 3>0 JAN-

As a former XJ employee and a Minnesotan this kind of saddens me. This has always been a bread-and-butter route. STC is one of these places that's too close but too far away from MSP. However, with the opening of the new Northstar Line train service this flight would have become obsolete anyways. I know the train doesn't go all they way to STC yet but give it time...

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DL
ATL-HHH 0>3 MAR- (SF3)

Finally the right-sized bird to do this route!



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5590 times:



Quoting Acidradio (Reply 17):
This has always been a bread-and-butter route

Well it's not like they have been flying to STC for 30 years. Or do you mean since they started service into STC?


How many here remember ZK as UA Express service to Fergus Falls,MN (FFM) that didn't last too long?



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23022 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5590 times:



Quoting Acidradio (Reply 17):
Finally the right-sized bird to do this route!

...of course, they tried and pulled it once already.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5570 times:



Quoting Cmk10 (Reply 5):
Im also wondering if that PHX-RDU cut is permenent. I'd appreciate any more information on it.

It appears to be, but Summer 2010 is a long way away.

Quoting Indy (Reply 7):
I checked airtran.com and the route runs daily. Starts on May 27th and runs every day.

That's not what they filed with OAG so I can't explain the variation. They may have just changed their mind one way or the other.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Has AA loaded all of its STL cuts/ORD additions yet?

Several weeks ago.

Quoting Slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 13):
Unless DL is trying to make another statement to WN again   which i doubt

I wondered that, but that route has no unusual significance to WN that I am aware of.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
...of course, they tried and pulled it once already.

Exactly...


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5472 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
HA
(RELATED TO MOLU SHUTDOWN?)
HNL-KOA 18>17 DEC-
HNL-LIH 22>19 DEC-
HNL-OGG 28>26 DEC-

Before Mokulele combined with go!, HA was already planning to cut around 8% of their interisland capacity due to lower demand for interisland flights.


User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5068 times:

Wow, one of the shockers sometimes over seen by many is the TS reductions. These are significant! I mean FLL-YUL down to 1 in the winter season as well as the MCO cuts. Something is weird here. I mean the USD has tanked making FL very affordable plus Canada is feeling the recession less than the US. Seems to me like this is not a problem with the traveller, but rather with TS. Is something up with them? Something is not right here. Even Mark will tell you 1 daily FLL-YUL in winter is suspicious. Do you have any inside info as to what is happening?

User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5012 times:
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Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 18):
Well it's not like they have been flying to STC for 30 years. Or do you mean since they started service into STC?

How many here remember ZK as UA Express service to Fergus Falls,MN (FFM) that didn't last too long?

I guess I mean since XJ started the STC run. I remember a bunch of intra-Minnesota flying on ZK in years past. It was all 19-seat aircraft. But yeah it all died. Outstate Minnesota for the most part is fairly sparsely populated and most of the business is done in Minneapolis anyways. With the economy not on fire like it has been in the past, that doesn't help anything either.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
...of course, they tried and pulled it once already.

HHH is a weird run. Small airport, birds which can handle the route are either oversized or undersized, close-but-far from SAV, lucrative vacation spot but nobody seems to want to pony up the extra cash to go directly to HHH when they can just go to SAV and drive. DL needs to get some HHH regulars really fascinated with their direct service so that they keep coming back and are willing to pay for the convenience of showing up right on the island.



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