Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7859 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8465 times:
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1): Seems to be a lot of schizophrenia on CO's part about this route. Not that I'm surprised, I really question the viability of these routes using ERJ's.
Clearly those routes are subsidized. What often happens is that it appears an agreement is in place and they load the flights for sale. If anything goes wrong with the deal, the airline will often threaten to stop taking bookings because it is no skin off their nose due to the subsidy which makes the other party responsible (casinos in this case).
You may know more being down there, but that pattern is not uncommon.
I assume WN flies this route nonstop so perhaps US couldn't compete. Still, RDU has a pretty large lack of West Coast flying, so in some ways it surprises me to see this one go. You'd think US would want to beef up PHX even more now that LAS is being pulled back.
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7859 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8359 times:
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 3): I assume WN flies this route nonstop so perhaps US couldn't compete. Still, RDU has a pretty large lack of West Coast flying, so in some ways it surprises me to see this one go. You'd think US would want to beef up PHX even more now that LAS is being pulled back.
I don't think this cut was public until I posted it. I haven't seen it anywhere. It's a little surprising, but you might be right.
SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2923 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7720 times:
Well US didn't waste any time in officially dismantling [what was left of] its LAS hub. Has AA loaded all of its STL cuts/ORD additions yet?
Also, I see that PHX continues to get cut . Now that all of those connecting options through LAS are gone, I would think PHX could easily support a few more flights to California, which in turn could support the likes of RDU/IAD/MIA/CLE/BDL etc. that have been (or soon will be) cut in recent years.
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
RedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 757 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7605 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9): Also, I see that PHX continues to get cut Angry. Now that all of those connecting options through LAS are gone, I would think PHX could easily support a few more flights
Yeah, for being their 3rd Largest Hub PHX has taken the back seat clearly ever since the merger. They really haven't done anything but maybe add a couple flights and take a couple away. Kinda makes you question the future of the PHX hub.
I doubt that they would get rid of PHX since they need some sort of western hub but they don't seem very interested in PHX right now...
Slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7350 times:
Interesting to see DL reving OAK up to 8 flights a day but its in a large market they must be having pretty decent loads to justify pumping the market up. Unless DL is trying to make another statement to WN again which i doubt
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7836 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6751 times:
Quoting Slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 13): Interesting to see DL reving OAK up to 8 flights a day but its in a large market they must be having pretty decent loads to justify pumping the market up. Unless DL is trying to make another statement to WN again which i doubt
So the remnants of America West are gone at RDU...right now its a big time under performer...I don't know what the times where but I heard they where horrible...everyone was going through PHL or CLT anyway....
As a former XJ employee and a Minnesotan this kind of saddens me. This has always been a bread-and-butter route. STC is one of these places that's too close but too far away from MSP. However, with the opening of the new Northstar Line train service this flight would have become obsolete anyways. I know the train doesn't go all they way to STC yet but give it time...
Sflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5361 times:
Wow, one of the shockers sometimes over seen by many is the TS reductions. These are significant! I mean FLL-YUL down to 1 in the winter season as well as the MCO cuts. Something is weird here. I mean the USD has tanked making FL very affordable plus Canada is feeling the recession less than the US. Seems to me like this is not a problem with the traveller, but rather with TS. Is something up with them? Something is not right here. Even Mark will tell you 1 daily FLL-YUL in winter is suspicious. Do you have any inside info as to what is happening?
Acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5305 times:
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Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 18): Well it's not like they have been flying to STC for 30 years. Or do you mean since they started service into STC?
How many here remember ZK as UA Express service to Fergus Falls,MN (FFM) that didn't last too long?
I guess I mean since XJ started the STC run. I remember a bunch of intra-Minnesota flying on ZK in years past. It was all 19-seat aircraft. But yeah it all died. Outstate Minnesota for the most part is fairly sparsely populated and most of the business is done in Minneapolis anyways. With the economy not on fire like it has been in the past, that doesn't help anything either.
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19): ...of course, they tried and pulled it once already.
HHH is a weird run. Small airport, birds which can handle the route are either oversized or undersized, close-but-far from SAV, lucrative vacation spot but nobody seems to want to pony up the extra cash to go directly to HHH when they can just go to SAV and drive. DL needs to get some HHH regulars really fascinated with their direct service so that they keep coming back and are willing to pay for the convenience of showing up right on the island.