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Republic F9 Flights...colors?  
User currently offlineGeg2rap From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 851 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7569 times:

Seeing that Republic started operating some flight in the F9 network....say one from DEN-BOI and back.

Are these in F9 color, YX or some neutral or Republic colors??? THanks for the info

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User currently offlineThegreatchecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7560 times:

For the moment they are painted in Republic colors.

However, I haven't heard if they are planning on paining any of the ex-US 190's in Frontier colors.

Checko



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User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1306 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7526 times:



Quoting Thegreatchecko (Reply 1):
For the moment they are painted in Republic colors.

Flown by Republic but painted in a Midwest Connect livery



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7469 times:

.....and very nice to see the TX Connect colors here in BOI. And both BOI-DEN are RP 190s.


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User currently offlineThegreatchecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7360 times:



Quoting Thegreatchecko (Reply 1):
For the moment they are painted in Republic colors.

Oops, not paying attention to what I write. Thanks for catching that KC.

I mean, there's nothing to be confused about in this arrangement...Chautauqua, Shuttle America, Frontier, Lynx, Republic, Midwest all belong to RAH and all pretty much fly under different colors. Big grin



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User currently offlineCody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1932 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7357 times:

The EMB 190's that were recently purchased from US AIRWAYS, are in full Midwest colors and do NOT have the word Connect on them.

User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7247 times:



Quoting Cody (Reply 5):
The EMB 190's that were recently purchased from US AIRWAYS, are in full Midwest colors and do NOT have the word Connect on them.

And I believe the 190s that *do* say Midwest Connect, the "Connect" is a removeable decal, as there were pictures of those aircraft without the "Connect" prior to entering service.



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User currently offlineYx302 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7203 times:



Quoting JBo (Reply 6):
And I believe the 190s that *do* say Midwest Connect, the "Connect" is a removeable decal, as there were pictures of those aircraft without the "Connect" prior to entering service.

Correct there just decals that can be removed. News just came in today for the RP branded carriers there will be one emlpoyer, Frontier. All midwest and skyway employess left will become a branded Frontier employee. Aynone think in time it will all be frontier leaving "Midwest" to the past. Info came from company emails, dont think it when public yet.


User currently offlineN7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1734 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7088 times:
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Straight from the investor conference call...all US Airways purchased E190's will go to the Midwest operation and will maintain the US layout of F11Y88. So obviously these will be painted for Midwest.

The E190's leased originally for Midwest Connect will go to Denver and fly for Frontier. These will keep the all coach layout (and I assume the first 2, N161HK & N162HK, will have their first class seats removed). Since these planes will be strictly for F9, it makes one wonder if they will be repainted into F9 colors eventually.

Menke and Bedford were very clear on the call that the 9 ex-US E90's go to MKE & the leased E90's go to DEN.


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7058 times:

No cabin changes are happening. Summit/Ascent members will get the opportunity of the new seating configuration. All 190's will be in YX livery. Also the 170's and 190's no longer say "Connect" on them. 70+ seats is all mainline. The 135/145 family is YX Connect.


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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6933 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 3):
TX Connect

Oops, just looked at my error,lol. Meant YX haha



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User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2826 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6832 times:



Quoting Yx302 (Reply 7):
Correct there just decals that can be removed. News just came in today for the RP branded carriers there will be one emlpoyer, Frontier. All midwest and skyway employess left will become a branded Frontier employee. Aynone think in time it will all be frontier leaving "Midwest" to the past. Info came from company emails, dont think it when public yet.

Mariner and I disagree on this. I think it's pretty well inevitable that we will see a single surviving entity - F9 - from the tie up of YX and F9. Branding is expensive, and to be very effective you need to consolidate onto a single brand. The entire push in the business world today is towards brand consolidation, and sooner or later, Republic will make the calculation that it's better to push the F9 brand nationwide, rather then continue YX and niche brand for MKE.


Reasonable people disagree though.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15739 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6815 times:



Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 11):
Branding is expensive, and to be very effective you need to consolidate onto a single brand.

Getting rid of a well known and loved brand (at least in the home market) can be very expensive as well, even if it works. I think that Republic is doing the smart thing by keeping both brands for at least a little while and then look again later. First priority is getting the right plane on the right routes. Then worry about how they are painted.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6809 times:
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Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 11):
Mariner and I disagree on this. I think it's pretty well inevitable that we will see a single surviving entity - F9 - from the tie up of YX and F9.

Hmmmm? I don't disagree. I think it is highly likely that we will end up with a one brand airline.

I do understand why they have not done it from the git-go.

I also see advantage in keeping both names - even within a single brand. Australia's Virgin Blue is somewhat different - they do it for legal constraints - but it doesn't seem to cause them many problems.

Whether they do or not in this case is beyond the limit of my sight.

mariner



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User currently offlinePHXMKEflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6760 times:



Quoting Yx302 (Reply 7):
All midwest and skyway employess left will become a branded Frontier employee

IMO, another step towards the eventual integration of the YX brand into the F9 brand.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15739 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6750 times:



Quoting PHXMKEflyer (Reply 14):
IMO, another step towards the eventual integration of the YX brand into the F9 brand

Integrating all of the behind the scenes things is an obvious step towards making the airline seamless, but not necessarily an indicator that they will begin using one brand in the near future. Just because you work for the same employer doesn't mean the uniforms will look the same.



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5050 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6693 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 13):
Hmmmm? I don't disagree. I think it is highly likely that we will end up with a one brand airline.



Quoting PHXMKEflyer (Reply 14):
IMO, another step towards the eventual integration of the YX brand into the F9 brand.

I totally think it will eventually be one airline too. I will be saddened to see Midwest colors disappear from the skies, but I rest comfortably knowing that YX will bring some great service to the F9 product. YX has excellent service, and I think some things can be adapted by F9. I think it would be awesome to see F9 bring in some premium seating, and even offer some warm cookies to its customers. Most importantly, I would love to see YX employees remain employed. YX had some excellent employees, and I think it would be great to see them stay where they are. Even if the YX brand goes, their commitment to customer service is a valuable tool to keep. Republic has talent on both the F9 and YX side. Why not take advantage of it?!!



If YX does go, I would love to see Republic do like US has done with heritage jets. I am selfish, and I love to see history in the air!



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User currently offlineF9fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 696 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6222 times:

Interesting. If we do see a merger of the F9 and YX brands, then F9 will become an operator of three types, the A319/320, the Q400, and the E190. I wonder if they will get rid of one of these, most likely the Q400.

User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6202 times:

Just fyi, I see that N164HQ has had the 'connect' title removed.

[Edited 2009-11-07 09:37:37]


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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2788 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6122 times:



Quoting F9fan (Reply 17):
Interesting. If we do see a merger of the F9 and YX brands, then F9 will become an operator of three types, the A319/320, the Q400, and the E190. I wonder if they will get rid of one of these, most likely the Q400.

Why dump the DH8D? It's a very efficient way of moving 70 people, relative to RJ's. Not only that, it allows F9 to enter the smaller markets and to provide feed.

They just painted the Q400 lines in MKE, they aren't going to dump them anytime soon.



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User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1003 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6023 times:

I understand the thought process to bring the two airlines together into one brand, but I wonder if in someway people here are looking at this in a way that others may not see it. I asked my brother in law who travels weekly all over the world what he knew of the both carriers. Mind you of the fact that he currently lives in New Jersey but they have live the majority of their lives on the east coast. This is what he had to say.
"If someone asked me to fly on Midwest versus Frontier, "I would have said what is Frontier? I've seen them but never traveled on them to me it just another airline with no first class service. Yes I know they are DEN based My parents have lived in Denver for over 20 years. On the other hand, I've used Midwest a lot over 20 years now to go across this country. Why, because of their seating and good food. And I don't have to pay 1st class prices."
My sister and her husband have jobs that take them all over this world. It blows my mind the places they have been and how often. So in a way it also blows my mind that when Mike can, he will fly to a location in the states by YX vs. any other airline because of thoughts two things, food & the seats. I sent him the Info about F9 and the new "stretch" seating, his response was it sounds like they are trying to look like YX. I told him they are now owned by the same people. The reply was... "then why not call themselves YX."
So it's all in the eye of the beholder. We see it as F9 is bigger than YX, thus it should be F9 that continues to be the "brand that lives on". Since I live in the MKE market I and have watched YX since it's first day of ops. I would love to see it continue to live but I also understand the need for one brand. This will be a hard time for the management to decide which brand lives and which one goes away. Well that the way I see it.  twocents 



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5979 times:
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Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 20):
I would love to see it continue to live but I also understand the need for one brand. This will be a hard time for the management to decide which brand lives and which one goes away.

I don't think it is an easy decision, either.

However. and at the risk of sounding paranoid, I think the reaction of much of the Milwaukee press to the last 717 flight may have made that decision a tad easier, and not good for Midwest.

Yes, in it's heyday, Midwest was one of the best airlines out there and was probably the best care in the (US) air.

And yes, that should be celebrated when it ends. But that Midwest went away a few years ago, and much of it was its own doing.

Now, I'm a long way away and I don't reading everything, but I do read a lot and the general reaction I got from the Milwaukee press was that Midwest is dead.

Much of this, I may say, was pushed along by the Midwest pilots, who were quoted in a number of articles I read with very negative statements.

I understand the bitterness of those pilots, but it sure didn't help the future "Midwest."

mariner



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5753 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 21):
However. and at the risk of sounding paranoid, I think the reaction of much of the Milwaukee press to the last 717 flight may have made that decision a tad easier, and not good for Midwest.

Yes, in it's heyday, Midwest was one of the best airlines out there and was probably the best care in the (US) air.

And yes, that should be celebrated when it ends. But that Midwest went away a few years ago, and much of it was its own doing.

Now, I'm a long way away and I don't reading everything, but I do read a lot and the general reaction I got from the Milwaukee press was that Midwest is dead.

Much of this, I may say, was pushed along by the Midwest pilots, who were quoted in a number of articles I read with very negative statements.

I understand the bitterness of those pilots, but it sure didn't help the future "Midwest."

To a certain extent, the Midwest flight crews sealed their fate when negotiations to fly the E-jets stalled last year.

Of course, this is not solely the pilots' union's fault, as it was the management of the company that lead to the situation in the first place.

It could be argued that had Midwest been better managed and made more proactive choices to keep the company going forward, that situation would have never happened.

It becomes then an issue of do you hold it against the management for making those decisions, or do you work together to find a solution? It seems like the pilots' union may have chosen the other.



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User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1003 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5675 times:



Quoting JBo (Reply 22):
To a certain extent, the Midwest flight crews sealed their fate when negotiations to fly the E-jets stalled last year.

Of course, this is not solely the pilots' union's fault, as it was the management of the company that lead to the situation in the first place.

It could be argued that had Midwest been better managed and made more proactive choices to keep the company going forward, that situation would have never happened.

It becomes then an issue of do you hold it against the management for making those decisions, or do you work together to find a solution? It seems like the pilots' union may have chosen the other.

You nailed it to the letter!!!
A neighbor of mine is a former YX fa, she made the same comment the week she was let go last month. She said that both sides have made mistakes but the union made more of them. She says that she will fly again but she does not think it will be with YX even though she wants to. If the two unions can not work out an agreement soon she says that she will look for work with a non-union airline.



I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1003 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5662 times:



Quoting FutureFO (Reply 9):
All 190's will be in YX livery. Also the 170's and 190's no longer say "Connect" on them. 70+ seats is all mainline. The 135/145 family is YX Connect.

When did this happen and does anyone have a picture of this?



I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
25 Mke717spotter : When are the ex-US E190s actually supposed to enter service and start flying for YX?
26 Mariner : Four this year, six in the early part of next year - along with 3 x A320 (new) for the combo. mariner
27 YXwatcherMKE : When you say 3 x A320's for the combo, do you mean that one of the A320's will be in YX paint or that they will be in F9 paint working on both F9 and
28 Mariner : I assume the latter. I've understood from the git-go that the Airbus fleet will remain in Frontier livery, just as the E190's will remain in Midwest
29 KingCavalier : That would be great. It's a long route to FAR on the Q400, and I could think of better uses for the Q. I wonder how FAR-MKE would do so they could br
30 BMI727 : That is exactly what I have been getting at. There are some routes that are too long for the Dash 8, and some jet routes that could be better served
31 Mariner : I agree, but there is a question mark over the future of the Q's, partly because, as SM said, they now have "other 70 seaters" available to them - pr
32 Post contains links FL787 : Republic has updated their fleet plan for anyone interested. http://www.republicairlines.com/investorrelations.html On the left side, click financial
33 BMI727 : Well, the CRJ-700 can go to ASE, and the E-170 is certified for LCY. The E-Jet also falls under the maximum size for ASE, so it would probably be pos
34 Mariner : Yes. I assume that is under consideration, too. I am guessing (I don't know) but I suspect there is a divergence of opinion abut the Q400's. From all
35 N911YX : As a former employee of YX and F9 and the long-defunct NJ, here's how I see it. The day of premium cabin service at coach prices is over, sadly. Comi
36 Mke717spotter : Sorry, but I have the feeling that if the F9 brand completely replaces YX at MKE then most of YX's customers are going to head over to FL.
37 Mariner : They may, of course. But it is the Conventional Wisdom that passengers are most persuaded by price and the ability to get where they want to go. And
38 N911YX : Nothing to be sorry about. Were I a YX customer I'd be happy to fly on over to F9, and if the two brands morph into a single one, it wouldn't displea
39 AirFrnt : I really honestly don't think so, and I don't think that's just homer-ism. The general perception is that the last few years of horrible mismanagemen
40 Post contains links Mariner : If that is going to happen it is going to happen anyway and without diversification the contract providers will all be up the creek without a paddle.
41 Knope2001 : Actually, I think the media reaction to the last 717 flight is very indicative of Midwest's certain place in the Milwaukee psyche. Milwaukee media ea
42 Mariner : Thanks for that overview, Knope. This was all fairly new to me and I was surprised by both the extent of it, the tone of it and the virtual lack of a
43 EMBQA : It's my understanding that the transfer of E190's from mainline USAirways has not happened yet. The E190's that Republic are flying right now in Midw
44 Knope2001 : My impression...and this is just a general one...is that 18 months ago when the pilot and FA unions came to the media with word of proposed large wag
45 Pilotfox : N961UW, ex US is at MKE tonight, in Full YX colors.
46 Hikarufree : (apologies if I'm rehashing old hat.) This YX/F9 partnership is very interesting and slightly confusing. My $.02 I'm scheduled to go on YX 752 (LAX/MK
47 HermansCVR580 : I would like to know if eventually Republic/Midwest will bring in some type of commuter operation back into MKE like how Skyway was to Midwest? I thin
48 Post contains links and images KingCavalier : They actually do have a commuter operation. Chautauqua is a wholly owned subsidiary of Republic Holdings. Chautauqua operates the 37-seat Embraer E13
49 Post contains links Mariner : I've slept on this because it seems to me to be quite an important decision and I didn't want to make more - or less - of it than it is. A computer g
50 Boydatageek : I would like to vouch for Knope's reading of the Midwest/Milwaukee press and psyche. For the past many years, the city has been mesmerized by what it
51 MASTYC : I would not count that out of happening
52 Sideflare75 : Every 170 that came thru MKE yesterday still said Connect on the side.
53 Alphascan : Wow! This is great. Having M and Knope on the same team. I look forward to a lot of great insight and analysis. With respect to the branding, I still
54 Post contains links Mariner : It's one of the more intriguing questions of the venture to me. Airtran would seem to have three choices: (i) End it. (ii) Keep it as it is. Since th
55 Rjnut : As if their EMB135 fleet is optimal...??!!
56 Atlwest1 : Honestly I think you will see FL open up Caribbean flying and CUN before F9/YX does. Hell they already fly it with subservices. Also I think it would
57 BMI727 : Probably not, but they still get the economies of scale with the RP fleet. Which is what I was saying they should do with the Q400s.
58 Mariner : Then you have to ask the question - why didn't Frontier/Midwest restart MKE-CUN instead of IND-CUN and STL-CUN? You also have to ask why Sun Country
59 Atlwest1 : That I wondered myself. I think there will be alot of interesting route announcem,ents and augmentations on the FL side with regards to MKE etc. They
60 Rumorboy : if you look at funjet/apple vacations you can see that they will be doing lots of charters to mexico/carribean destinations this winter season. They u
61 Atlwest1 : Oh yeah i remember the 717's from ATL it was near the range limits but was perfectly able to fly it. I love working on the 717 its so quiet up front.
62 Mariner : I hope you mean "etc" as much as MKE. I think MKE must be quite frustrating for Airtran. A year ago they might have thought they had MKE in the bag.
63 Post contains links and images C767P : Here is a picture of an E-190 without the Connect titles. I am sure the 190s have caused some confusion for some passengers, as this is one goofy loo
64 Boydatageek : One thing that many overlook -- there is a second travel powerhouse HQ'd in Milwaukee, Mark Travel (aka Funjet Vacations, United Vacations, Continent
65 Post contains links Mariner : Frontier has had a number of deals with them and I think (?) they are involved on MCI-CUN. Sun Country's relationship with Milwaukee puzzles me. In S
66 Post contains images KingCavalier : The co-branding seems to be moving along. I noticed they've added Midwest to the F9 customer service center on concouse A at DIA. I was in LAX today a
67 Post contains links and images Mke717spotter : Why are some of the E170s still flying around in standard Republic colors? View Large View MediumPhoto © Bruce Leibowitz
68 Post contains links and images Pilotfox : Republic has brought on another E-145 to fly out of MKE N296SK View Large View MediumPhoto © Mark Kryst - YXUphoto
69 YXwatcherMKE : I have been at MKE 5 days in the past 18 days 2 hours or more each day and have not seen any 170's in the Republic Livery. I did see 170's in Republi
70 Mke717spotter : Do you know the breakdown of how many ERJs/CRJs are currently flying for YX?
71 FutureFO : There are no CRJ's flying for YX.
72 Post contains links Pilotfox : There are still a few left http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKW2550 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKW2502
73 Sideflare75 : These are spares used to substitute when necessary for the diferent brands they fly. We get them in MKE all the time due to aircraft out of service f
74 Midway DC9-10 : Does anyone know how many EMB-135s or 145s are flying with them? When did they start taking off the Connection titles?
75 Mariner : Question: does Midwest still have the VIP lounge at MKE? And if so, and if the service is to be uniform, shouldn't there be a lounge at DEN? mariner
76 YXwatcherMKE : TheEMB-135's and 145's have not had the "Connect" titles taken off the a/c. Only the E170's and the E190's have had the "Connect" removed from the a/
77 Post contains images Knope2001 : I believe it's 11 lines of RJ flying, and currently there are six CRJ's. Those arep planned to be gone in January, and at the moment they have simply
78 Yx302 : MKE still has the Best Care Club, Nice in there to get away for a bit. Does F9 have any lounges anywere?
79 YXwatcherMKE : I thought I had read that the CRJ operated by OO go away in December and January as more ERJ's arrive in YX livery. Yes?
80 Mariner : About four (?) years ago, Frontier had some plans for a lounge at DEN. I forget the details now, but it was somehow tied up with Continental's (big)
81 Knope2001 : Thanks for the information, Mariner. Now that you mention it, I seem to remember this being discussed. From anecdotal reports, the usage of the BCC i
82 Mariner : Oh, it's a fair charge about some things, I am impatient about a few things. I'm very keen to know what the plans are for MCI. But this one is an old
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