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Delta: Two Flights To SYD From LAX Tomorrow?  
User currently offlineXpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 633 posts, RR: 7
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

Hey, All,

I was just on Travelnet and on Delta's main website, and it appears there are two flights tomorrow from LAX-SYD. One is virtually wide open. The flight number looks more like a ferry flight to me, but it appears they are making it bookable. Anyone have any ideas?

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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7559 times:

Not sure maybe some kind of extra session for cargo? Not returning until Nov 14th...strange charter somewhere from Australia?


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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7555 times:

DL 17 and 8815 are both flying LAX-SYD tomorrow... I believe this has something to do with Delta needing that pesticide treatment that was previously being done at LHR. I could be wrong though.

'902



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User currently offlineAZNCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5661 times:

How long does this spray take? Seems like 8814 won't be coming back to LAX as DL8814 until Saturday, the 14th.


DL0016/14NOV SYDLAX 1120A 0610A 77L
DL8814/14NOV SYDLAX 1510P 1000A 77L


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5588 times:

Let's keep watching this. If they are ferrying LAX-SYD just to spray it, that is just ridiculous.

User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5515 times:
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Quoting AZNCSA4QF744ER (Reply 3):
How long does this spray take? Seems like 8814 won't be coming back to LAX as DL8814 until Saturday, the 14th.

About 6 hours.

Pure speculation on my part. Could it be a rolling spraying ? The two planes leave tomorrow. One stays to get treated, the other comes back. The next day, the outbound plane stays put for its treatment, and the return flight is operated by the plane treated the day before, and so on until Saturday.

(I don't know whether fleet utilization allows for this RON at SYD, however)



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22715 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5473 times:



Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 5):
Pure speculation on my part. Could it be a rolling spraying ? The two planes leave tomorrow. One stays to get treated, the other comes back. The next day, the outbound plane stays put for its treatment, and the return flight is operated by the plane treated the day before, and so on until Saturday.

That makes the most sense - and while I'm also speculating, it's my guess too.



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User currently offlineAZNCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5422 times:



Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 5):
Pure speculation on my part. Could it be a rolling spraying ? The two planes leave tomorrow. One stays to get treated, the other comes back. The next day, the outbound plane stays put for its treatment, and the return flight is operated by the plane treated the day before, and so on until Saturday.

I haven't though of that but I guess that's DL is doing. Smart move DL make better use than ferry it to LHR.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2040 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5011 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 4):
If they are ferrying LAX-SYD just to spray it, that is just ridiculous.

No it's not. It is a must. It is a "cost of doing business." What is ridiculous is that US owned Airlines have to fly planes to other countries because the environmental wackos here won't let them "spray" the planes here. So Delta, AA, US, etc, all have to burn hundreds of thousands of pounds of fuel because some environmental tree hugger somehow found a way to ban spraying here. What the crap sense does that make? None. But someones happy, and as a result, we all, as consumers, as usual, have to pay for this nonsense.



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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4803 times:



Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 8):
here won't let them "spray" the planes here

- What kind of treatment is this "Spraying?"

David



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User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4620 times:



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 9):
- What kind of treatment is this "Spraying?"

Pesticide. If I remember correctly from a previous thread we are allowed to use this pesticide in the United States, its just not certified for confined spaces like an aircraft.


User currently offlineTootallsd From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4616 times:
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If it was such a big deal, the airlines could work with the EPA for an exemption or special use certificate.

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9286 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

I believe its doing a Charter guys, I saw the same question somewhere(FT maybe?) and some said they are doing a charter.

FYI they changed the flights of of LAX-SYD for the spraying, they are also doing it in PVG, I would be shocked if thats what it is(Plus NW did charter work out of SYD alllllllllllllll the time)(note the 15,000 "I saw a NW 747 in SYD threads)



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User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4434 times:



Quoting Tootallsd (Reply 11):
If it was such a big deal, the airlines could work with the EPA for an exemption or special use certificate.

Exactly. Cost vs benefit. It must be more costly to work with the EPA bureaucrats than it is to ferry aircraft to other places.


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2583 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4387 times:



Quoting AZNCSA4QF744ER (Reply 3):
How long does this spray take? Seems like 8814 won't be coming back to LAX as DL8814 until Saturday, the 14th.

So, it looks to me like DL will have a 772LR arrive in SYD on Monday at 6:05am and then they can spray all daily arrivals until Sat.
Sounds kind of weird, but they can swap equipment each day and spray 5 aircraft - arriving Mon, Tues, Wed, Thurs, Fri and Sat. The Monday arrival of the extra flight would have a 5:15 ground time to turn to the normal SYD-LAX flight (but amybe with the flight having little traffic, the spraying can start right away).
What's funny is that DL Sked their Tues SYD-LAX with a 3:20 delay, guessed to spray one aircraft a week. Does this "ferry" operation indicated the special Tuesday "delayed" northbound is not working? Somehow DL has a 772LR sitting around to "ferry" roundtrip ATL-LAX-SYD for a week?


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12860 posts, RR: 100
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4216 times:
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Quoting Tootallsd (Reply 11):
If it was such a big deal, the airlines could work with the EPA for an exemption or special use certificate.

 rotfl  The EPA will force study after study and in the end ask for another study.

Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 13):
Exactly. Cost vs benefit. It must be more costly to work with the EPA bureaucrats than it is to ferry aircraft to other places.

 checkmark  The cost is the EPA might decide to ban something else needed for operating an aircraft.

Do not get me wrong, I work with very dangerous chemicals as part of my job, so I'm glad things are much safer than 20 or 30 years ago. But the system of chemical regulation has no flexibility from industry to industry. If you cannot do whatever 'solution' worked in a refinery, the meetings are endless. Going above IDLH with any chemical is a review nightmare! Even when in a zone no person can go into (cameras, standtalkers isolating the zone on the other side of doors, etc.).

Its sad this works this way. Pesticides are a necessity for certain international trade. They are also *very* dangerous. But a team that knows how to handle dangerous chemicals and respects them will come out without exposure. The issue with the EPA is that in a lawsuit all of the burden of proof is against the company. Its not worth doing this work in the USA due to the liability.

Kudos to DL for starting the route despite the hassles.

Lightsaber



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User currently offline413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3954 times:



Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 8):
environmental wackos

Any proof that it is the "environmental wackos" holding them back?


User currently offlineTootallsd From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3845 times:
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Quoting 413x3 (Reply 16):
Any proof that it is the "environmental wackos" holding them back?

probably not, but it makes a great story.


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