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Is UA Downgrading ORD-LGA?  
User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6285 times:

My wife's boss has UA Global Services status and his considering changing is loyality to AA because he heard that the ORD-LGA flights are being downgraded to smaller planes, I am assuming RJs. Is this true? What does UA currently fly on this route? I thought I heard that ORD-EWR aircraft was actually being upgraded with the new CO partnership, is that true?

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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6287 times:

There are some E-170 flights popping up on ORD-LGA now, but there is (and will continue to be) a strong mainline presence - it's more of some of the off-peak flights going to E-170s.

User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6141 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 1):
There are some E-170 flights popping up on ORD-LGA now, but there is (and will continue to be) a strong mainline presence - it's more of some of the off-peak flights going to E-170s.

some of it is temporary while the TED conversion is going on

-m

 airplane 


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16858 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6057 times:

For mid-January 2010:

ORD-LGA;
UA is showing 17 daily LGA-ORD flights: 7 E70s, 7 A319s, 3 A320s.

AA is showing 10 daily LGA-ORD flights: 10 MD-80s

So UA is running the same number of mainline aircraft between ORD and LGA as is AA, the difference is UA offers seven more daily departures ORD-LGA vs. AA.

For mid-January 2010:

ORD-EWR;
UA is showing 9 daily ORD-EWR: 4 CR7s, 4 A319, 1 757-200

AA is showing 5 daily EWR-ORD flights: 4 MD-80s, 1 737-800

Again UA has the same number of daily mainline flights EWR-ORD as AA, the difference is that UA has four more daily flights total.



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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5961 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
AA is showing 10 daily LGA-ORD flights: 10 MD-80s

So UA is running the same number of mainline aircraft between ORD and LGA as is AA, the difference is UA offers seven more daily departures ORD-LGA vs. AA.

I don’t know where you are looking, but that is nowhere near the correct number of flights for AA.

For mid-January, AA has 16x daily departures on ORD-LGA in mid-January (15xM80 and 1x757). This increases to 17x daily in April.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5885 times:



Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 2):
some of it is temporary while the TED conversion is going on



Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
UA is showing 17 daily LGA-ORD flights: 7 E70s, 7 A319s, 3 A320s.

If you look in June, its back to only 4 170's.

and from what i recall, these are only supplements, not replacements for mainline

-m

 airplane 


User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1561 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5820 times:

At EWR, UA split a few of the mainline flights into two RJ flights to make up for capacity lost with the retirement of the 737s. If anything, it's a maintenance or even an upgrade (more freq.) rather than a downgrade.

As for LGA, it might just be a cost-saving/capacity reduction thing until the economy gets a bit better and business traffic picks up again. I flew ORD-LGA on UA quite recently, and some of those mainline flights are nowhere near full...



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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 966 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5669 times:



Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 4):
I don’t know where you are looking, but that is nowhere near the correct number of flights for AA.

Look at the schedule closely, sometimes if you type in LGA, since New York has multiple airports, AA.com will show you the flights to JFK and EWR along with LGA.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5606 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 7):

Look at the schedule closely, sometimes if you type in LGA, since New York has multiple airports, AA.com will show you the flights to JFK and EWR along with LGA.

I haven't ever had that happen. However I show it also, 15 MD80 and 1 757, just one less S80 than DFWEagle says.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):

AA is showing 10 daily LGA-ORD flights: 10 MD-80s

Did you increase the "Number of Flights to Display" from Ten to 20? That's why you are seeing 10 MD80's because that is all you "Asked" for. If you increase it to 20 then the 15 MD80 and 1 757 shows up.

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22876 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5531 times:



Quoting United787 (Thread starter):
My wife's boss has UA Global Services status and his considering changing is loyality to AA because he heard that the ORD-LGA flights are being downgraded to smaller planes, I am assuming RJs. Is this true?

Why would a change from 319 to 170 cause anyone to move away from an airline? 319 to CR7 I can see, but we're not talking about that here.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5439 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
Why would a change from 319 to 170 cause anyone to move away from an airline? 319 to CR7 I can see, but we're not talking about that here.

I completely agree, I actually prefer the E170 because there are no middle seats yet it has the same size seats and overhead bins as the A320.


User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5222 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 7):
Look at the schedule closely, sometimes if you type in LGA, since New York has multiple airports, AA.com will show you the flights to JFK and EWR along with LGA.

Trust me, I know the schedule very well!  Wink

It's definitely 16x daily on ORD-LGA alone. AA has never had less than that on ORD-LGA for at least the last 20 years.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4926 times:

It seems like United has had some aircraft shortages since retiring the 737s. I've noticed the daily mainline LGA-IAD has been an RJ lately...I hope this will change!

User currently offlineJayspilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

UA is going to suffer a lot of RJ frequency swaps on the next few years as a result of the 737's being retired. You can't part a fleet of 90 jets and not loose frequency on some key routes as well as a lot of secondary markets. The E-170 and crj-700 is the stop gap airplane to keep the frequencies up without the fleet to do it and we'll see if they are successful.

User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

With UA loosing the 737, I'm honestly happy that EWR still gets 757s and 32S from ORD!


"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4209 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
Why would a change from 319 to 170 cause anyone to move away from an airline? 319 to CR7 I can see, but we're not talking about that here.

Because the 170s are not flown by UA. They are flown by a completely different airline.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4196 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 8):
I haven't ever had that happen. However I show it also, 15 MD80 and 1 757, just one less S80 than DFWEagle says.

I show 2x 757s, 14 S80. This is the downloaded Oneworld Timetable.



yep.
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4139 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 14):
With UA loosing the 737, I'm honestly happy that EWR still gets 757s and 32S from ORD!

Along with CR7.  crazy 


User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3978 times:



Quoting N62NA (Reply 15):

Because the 170s are not flown by UA. They are flown by a completely different airline.

Yeah, we're nicer! LOL


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3871 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 16):

I show 2x 757s, 14 S80. This is the downloaded Oneworld Timetable.

Hmmh AA.com schedule I have downloaded off their time table shows on Jan 18th a Monday, 15 S80's and 1 757 making for 16 daily flights.

AA or Oneworld needs to do some updating!!!  Silly

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22876 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3830 times:



Quoting N62NA (Reply 15):
Because the 170s are not flown by UA. They are flown by a completely different airline.

So you'd prefer surly mainline f/as?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3313 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
So you'd prefer surly mainline f/as?

I hate the illusion that I am flying on a mainline airline when in actuality I am flying on "Shuttle America Airlines" or "Air Wisconsin" (just to pick two for no particular reason). "Express" airlines in most cases are completely unrelated to their "mainline" step-cousin (American Eagle being the most notable exception).

They have completely independent maintenance, management, hiring, training, etc. compared to the mainline airline colors that are painted on their planes.


User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3247 times:



Quoting N62NA (Reply 21):
I hate the illusion that I am flying on a mainline airline when in actuality I am flying on "Shuttle America Airlines" or "Air Wisconsin" (just to pick two for no particular reason). "Express" airlines in most cases are completely unrelated to their "mainline" step-cousin (American Eagle being the most notable exception).

They have completely independent maintenance, management, hiring, training, etc. compared to the mainline airline colors that are painted on their planes.


But what's your point, as a passenger? Why is this relevant? It's not like they can circumvent FAA standards / regulations because they're a different airline. I can understand the reluctance to fly on a CRJ/ERJ because of the aircraft being more cramped, etc. but this argument doesn't apply to the E-jet series.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3058 times:



Quoting Star_world (Reply 22):
But what's your point, as a passenger? Why is this relevant? It's not like they can circumvent FAA standards / regulations because they're a different airline. I can understand the reluctance to fly on a CRJ/ERJ because of the aircraft being more cramped, etc. but this argument doesn't apply to the E-jet series.

Continental Connection Flight 3407


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22876 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3006 times:



Quoting N62NA (Reply 23):
Continental Connection Flight 3407

How many fatal accidents has S5 had?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
25 P0sitiveRate : So what you're saying is that all regional carriers have overworked, fatigued, underpaid, and/or poorly trained crews? How about the regional carrier
26 N62NA : I don't know. But this flight was operated by Colgan Air. No. I have no problem flying American Eagle flights. The other regionals... Some are better
27 Cubsrule : ...and neither Colgan nor Pinnacle, its parent, operates aircraft for United. What is your point? Connecting that flight to United is like saying tha
28 P0sitiveRate : I know what you are saying, but your earlier reference to Colgan 3407 made it seem you were implying flying a mainline carrier was simply safer than
29 P0sitiveRate : I believe he was using the Colgan flight as a reference as to why he prefers flying mainline versus regionals
30 Ytib : - No IFE (more so channel 9 possibility) - Purchases only by cash - UX flights can be delayed more so when slot issues come up into UA hub airports d
31 Cubsrule : Channel 9 is almost never on on Airbus flights. E70 overheads can take any carryon that is under the size limit. The E70 has two lavs for 70 passenge
32 N62NA : Correct. Look, I think it's deceptive to say that a Shuttle America CR7 on EWR-ORD is a UA flight. We all know the deal, but to the "regular" public
33 Cubsrule : Is that relevant? Do people choose to fly on Delta M80s versus American M80s because Delta maintains their M80s differently? The FAA requires all car
34 Ytib : CR7's have one. I have had better luck with Ch9 on Airbus flights.
35 N62NA : OK. Ask people who just got off a regional flight what airline they just flew with. I bet you most if not all will say the mainline airline, not "Sky
36 N62NA : Well, the general public doesn't even know what an M80 is. I on the other hand know that airlines need to meet the baselines set by the FAA. All do,
37 Cubsrule : Yup, but UA isn't using CR7s on ORD-LGA (and, FWIW, what I said about bags doesn't apply to CR7s either). Go ahead and ask - if that's true, why do s
38 N62NA : Ooops, yes, that is EWR-ORD. LGA-ORD gets the E70s. Doesn't change the points I've made, though. I'm talking about the regular flying public. You kno
39 Cubsrule : UA isn't scheduling for mom, dad, and Aunt Jane. It seems like your problem is with the FAA - who mandates that the operator name be placed near the
40 P0sitiveRate : You don't like flying on regionals?
41 N62NA : This is getting frustrating.... I'm not getting through to you guys. In my opinion, when, in the case of this thread's topic, UA eliminates some mainl
42 Cubsrule : If I quit cleaning my own house and instead hire someone else to do it, is my house any less clean?
43 Tommy767 : It really all depends. I find that COEX is extremely tied to CO probably because of the uniforms and the name but the service isn't as good as regula
44 CODC10 : Now that we are at least 10 years removed from the days of 767s and DC-10s on flights like EWR-ORD, I have no problem with the UAX large regional jets
45 LACA773 : Wow! I didn't realize how unpopular the CR7/E70s are! Until the rest of the ex Ted 320s are being updated to the rest of the mainline, we'll see the U
46 Wjcandee : Right. And no doctor is any better than the other because they all have been to med school and passed the same licensing exam. And any lawyer is as g
47 Mcdu : This person is Global Services and he is going to change based on a rumor and information he might gather through a third party on anet? Not sure I a
48 EMB170 : Actually, I thought 9L was still flying Saabs for UA out of IAD...is that no longer the case? Probably my single biggest beef with regionals. Aircraf
49 United787 : You don't have to believe me. He has not decided to change, he is considering it. I am sure he would be talking to someone at UA before doing so.
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