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Virgin Australia To Order Upto 70 Boeing Aircraft  
User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15960 times:

Virgin Australia to order upto 70 aircraft including 777's

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=18418

Quote:
V Australia, the international arm of Virgin Blue, is understood to be close to announcing an order for 777-200LRs for new nonstop Sydney-New York JFK and Perth-London Heathrow service beginning in 2011.

CEO Brett Godfrey is in the final stages of negotiations with Boeing for an order of up to 70 aircraft that will include six 300-seat 777-200LRs, 737-800s and 737-900ERs for fleet replacement and expansion

Big order in the linear time. If the announcement (as expected) is made before the year-end will add spice to the race. It will be quite interesting to see who wins 2009 in terms of orders (A or B).

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30876 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15942 times:
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Impressive. Nice to see someone finally trying non-stop services from Australia to London, even if it's from the other side of the continent.

User currently offlineOlympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15751 times:

There is another VA thread that dealt with the Perth-Gatwick or LHR route:

VA Going Non Stop Perth-London (by QF744FAN Nov 5 2009 in Civil Aviation)

I hope the moderators do not delete this thread. This is about the equipment order.

Regarding the 772LR order, the SYD-JFK route dictated the equipment choice. I can see this route work for them, and it will be a great option for travelers.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12981 posts, RR: 100
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15699 times:
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Quoting Aviationbuff (Thread starter):
Big order in the linear time.

Huge order and meriting its own thread.

What is VA's proper two letter code?

Six 77L's... That seems like two more than required to run the route. Low utilization or side trips/backup airframes?

Or perhaps some LAX bypass!  hyper  Yes, my home city has an advantage to hosting QF's flights to Oz, but as an aviation fan, I'd like to see new destinations from Australia.

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30876 posts, RR: 86
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15659 times:
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Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 3):
What is VA's proper two letter code?

Conveniently enough, VA.  Wink

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 3):
Six 77L's... That seems like two more than required to run the route. Low utilization or side trips/backup airframes?

I would guess a combination of both. Stage lengths would require greater than 24 hours for a round-trip with a single airframe, so perhaps "nested" flights to provide daily R/T coverage?


User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5134 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15566 times:



Quoting Aviationbuff (Thread starter):
737-800s and 737-900ERs for fleet replacement and expansion

would these 737's be for Virgin Blue, or do V Australia also plan on launching regional/domestic flights?



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4422 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15557 times:

How long will this trip be? JFK-SYD?
Also this will be really nice for the 739 program.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12091 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15328 times:
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Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 5):

Virgin Blue is made of of several different airlines
V Australia is Virgin Blue's (DJ) long haul airline and operates B773ERs. The B772LRs would be for V Australia
Virgin Blue operates domestic in Australia with B73Gs, B738s, E70 and E90s
Pacific Blue is based in New Zealand and operates New Zealand domestic, Trans-Tasman and Pacific Islands (except Samoa) with B738s
Polynesian Blue is based in New Zealand and operates between New Zealand and Australia - Samoa as part of a JV between the Samoan government and Virgin Blue.

The new B738s and B739ERs would be for Virgin Blue and possible Pacific Blue/Polynesian Blue


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15188 times:
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Will the 739ER have 200 seats so they don't have to have six FA's onboard? I believe Australian rules are one FA for every 40 pax (5 x 40 = 200)...


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User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14805 times:

This will certainly add some kick to the 772. I think there has been some debate as to whether or not the line has been slowing down lately.

It just amazes me the sheer amount of 737/320 airlines are ordering and neither A or B have come up with a replacement for these aircraft. I'm convinced the first company that comes out with a replacement will get some incredible orders and have the advantage.



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User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 646 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14730 times:



Quoting Olympic472 (Reply 2):
Regarding the 772LR order, the SYD-JFK route dictated the equipment choice. I can see this route work for them, and it will be a great option for travelers.

As an aussie living in NY... I can't WAIT to travel with VA back home on this service!!

For the PER flights, and excuse me if I didn't see it in the other thread, will passengers flying SYD-PER-LGW have to travel from domestic to international terminals in Jandikot? Thats a monumental PITA if true...



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30876 posts, RR: 86
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14699 times:
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Quoting Manfredj (Reply 9):
It just amazes me the sheer amount of 737/320 airlines are ordering and neither A or B have come up with a replacement for these aircraft.

One could posit the continued strong demand for the 737NG and A320 is why neither Boeing nor Airbus are interested in sinking billions of dollars and years of time into replacing them.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2679 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14643 times:

Very good news indeed. Good to see more 77L orders!


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14474 times:



Quoting Olympic472 (Reply 2):
Regarding the 772LR order, the SYD-JFK route dictated the equipment choice. I can see this route work for them, and it will be a great option for travelers.

Will this finally force QF to begin their long awaited SYD-DFW route, so the can access the AA domestic system?

If so, what would QF use as equipment? A-380? B-747-400? B-787-9? or order the B-747-8I?


User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14451 times:

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So they are starting up NAN, JNB, PER, JFK. Wonder what else cities they are looking at for expansion?

SCL
DXB
HKG
PVG
FCO

Maybe for N. America expansion they could fly to DFW, IAH, or SFO?

Wonder if any of these would work or they are looking at.

Also does the order include more 77W's and or any 787's. Eitherway this will be good for both Boeing and VA when finalized.

[Edited 2009-11-07 10:48:28]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30876 posts, RR: 86
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14187 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 13):
Will this finally force QF to begin their long awaited SYD-DFW route, so the can access the AA domestic system?

If so, what would QF use as equipment? A-380? B-747-400? B-787-9? or order the B-747-8I?

They'd pretty much be forced to use the A380-800 since it alone of their current fleet that offers the payload and range to make it viable. I don't see them buying the 777-200LR at this late stage and the 747-8 and 787-9 both look to fall short of the A380-800 in the payload/range department.

And since such a service would start as single-daily, an A380-800 would allow QF and AA to maximize the number of people they could get on that single flight.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13247 times:



Quoting Halophila (Reply 10):
For the PER flights, and excuse me if I didn't see it in the other thread, will passengers flying SYD-PER-LGW have to travel from domestic to international terminals in Jandikot? Thats a monumental PITA if true...

Depends if they want to fly the route originating in SYD.. SYD-PER-LHR itself could easily be from international terminal to international terminal.



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User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13016 times:

Nice to see boeing getting some orders, given their screw up with the 787, i was starting to think airlines were turning away from boeing, because they couldnt deliver what they promised.

User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12738 times:

Call it home town favoritism, but I can not imagine an expansion without San Francisco service.


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15729 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12630 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 13):
Will this finally force QF to begin their long awaited SYD-DFW route, so the can access the AA domestic system?

I'm not so convinced that this would work anyway. I've heard that the Australia-US market drops off drasically the further east you go, so I think that outside of California, JFK is the only market that would be a sure thing from Australia. The AA system helps in DFW, but filling an A380 would be no small trick, and for that matter, AA serves quite a few routes out of LAX too.

Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 14):
Maybe for N. America expansion they could fly to DFW, IAH, or SFO?

SFO is the only one I see as being realistic. Only QF could make a run at DFW since they would get connections on AA and IAH is big, but I don't think it is that big. Now if somebody were to discover some great deposit of oil in the Tasman Sea...

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
I don't see them buying the 777-200LR at this late stage

I don't think so either. If QF were going to purchase 777s, they would have done so by now. Of course we can still argue about whether they should have or not.

[Edited 2009-11-07 13:14:58]


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User currently offlineNcelhr From Vatican City, joined Jul 2006, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11873 times:



Quoting Manfredj (Reply 9):
It just amazes me the sheer amount of 737/320 airlines are ordering and neither A or B have come up with a replacement for these aircraft. I'm convinced the first company that comes out with a replacement will get some incredible orders and have the advantage.

Not really. The current models are working well for them and any replacement aircraft should have at least 10-20% lower fuel burn than the current generation. Seeing that winglets, engine enhancements/replacements and other modifications to the current models each can save a couple of percent here and there, in the order of 4-6% total, why develop a new frame for only an additional 4% saving?

With both manufacturers involved in an expensive widebody development, giving the green light to a new short range, single aisle a/c is financially impossible.

As long as the current models sell well, why change?


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15729 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11823 times:



Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 17):
Nice to see boeing getting some orders, given their screw up with the 787, i was starting to think airlines were turning away from boeing, because they couldnt deliver what they promised.

Is that why they still have hundreds of orders for the 787, plus a pretty healthy backlog for the 777 and 737 as well?



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8998 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11538 times:

Has anyone figured how VB is going to afford an order which potentially will be around US$6.1 billion at list price ?

Not that long back the talk was they were going to close their doors, their share price was at a low toxic levels.

What is the market valuation of the airline at the moment ? Any suggestion on how they could raise capital ? New share issue ?



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User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11538 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 21):
Is that why they still have hundreds of orders for the 787, plus a pretty healthy backlog for the 777 and 737 as well?

I didnt mean the concept of the 787 was a screw up, i simply mean the implimentation was; their inept inability to meet promised deadlines and commitment to customers. I thought it kinda turned off other airlines. Thankfully i seem to be wrong.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8325 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11427 times:
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 19):
I don't think so either. If QF were going to purchase 777s, they would have done so by now. Of course we can still argue about whether they should have or not.

May be fellow ONEWORLD partner Cathay Pacific could spare a few 77W since they have 30 on order. CX has hinted it might defer some.


25 BMI727 : In my last post I was mostly talking about the 777-200 and its variants. The 77W may make sense for QF at some point. Many of the 744s are quite youn
26 Gemuser : Not quite. Virgin Blue Holdings (VBH) is not an airline but owns several airlines and is a stock exchange listed company. Virgin Blue as above V Aust
27 Lightsaber : Ok, I wasn't seeing the code underline automatically. That sounds reasonable. Six just seemed like a large number to order for one route... Even as l
28 ANstar : This order is only for Virgin Blue and 737's. Nothing to do with VA or 777's.
29 Zeke : That would appear to conflict with the quote from the article in the thread start.
30 Post contains links ANstar : http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/ Virgin spokesperson has said the following since....
31 DeltaL1011man : IMHO DL or VA will fly this route soon(and the reason i say DL is due to JV DL is getting with DJ and VA.......ad DL has 77Ls which maybe better for
32 Wedgetail737 : The order is seeing-is-believing, but would be welcomed I'm sure. Having this kind of statement from the Virgin Spokesperson sometimes becomes a smok
33 Gemuser : The statement said: Quote: There were no V Australia personnel present and B777s were not on the agenda. End Quote As this statement was made by an o
34 Thegeek : You don't reckon it's worth bothering with a 3x weekly service? Filling a daily A380 would seem to be a big ask.
35 Cerecl : Not disagreeing with you, but we have seen many examples of statements from various major companies that were later proven false (The alternative was
36 777ER : IIRC the Australian authoritys have now changed the rule to 1 FA per 50 pax - the same FA per pax rule as what New Zealand has. PBNZ is based in CHC
37 Gemuser : Now this is interesting! On two flights this year I was told all crew were AKL based. CHC had, at the time, two flights to AKL and one to SYD and MEL
38 NZ107 : The company itself (actually I can't find Pac Blue anywhere on the NZ companies register so I'm guessing it's under VBA) was established in CHC. Thei
39 Post contains links Zeke : I understand that, however Geoffrey Thomas as reported Virgin Blue saying from http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...99/16-hour-flights-to-london-lo
40 EK413 : Makes sense with PER-LGW on the cards... 6 frames sounds right... QF already committed to the A380 and B787... So sad they didn't renew the fleet whe
41 Smi0006 : As far as I am aware this is not the case dispensation has been offered on QF JQ and DJ not sure about TT but is accessed on a case by case basis, at
42 Stitch : That could be prudent idea. It would also allow QF to use the planes on other routes during the week (perhaps to increase some daily services to 8-10
43 Post contains links Zeke : That is correct for the 737/A320, under CAO 20.16.3 the current rules say from http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_asset...n/download/orders/cao20/201603.
44 Mptpa : I have a question for you all. Since DL have a Marketing Alliance/JV with V Australia and recently the Australian Competition Bureau approved this, do
45 BMI727 : I thought they cancelled the 787 orders for financial reasons. Many of the 747s have plenty of life in them. The 744ERs were all delivered in the ear
46 Stitch : The QF group canceled 15 787-8s originally planned for JQ. Instead, JQ will now receive 787-9s and in the interim, the QF group is leasing A330-200s
47 Commavia : Not really true. Thousands of people each month connect over LAX from AA onto QANTAS to go south - and a huge proportion of those connections are com
48 BMI727 : Now that I could see. The other posters were talking about an A380, which is not easy to fill. Only JFK is a really good destination. DFW could make
49 Stitch : ORD might work for UA in that it would be able to collect passengers east of the Mississippi and send them on direct, without first having to send th
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