WhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 595 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5330 times:
With LAX-SAN and LAX-MRY now CRJ's, any guesses as to the future for the remaining EMB 120 flying at LAX? MQ is running ERJ's to FAT and SBA, while OO is not (with a couple exceptions to FAT due to the maintenance base there). You'd think that from a competitive position that the 120's would transition to CRJs in those markets. But, then these are airlines we're talking about and nothing is that simple. We've heard rumors for months if not years as to the downsizing of 120 flying at LAX for OO - maybe it's now well underway?
DL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5269 times:
The EMB 120 will still be doing LAX-CLD (Carlsbad) hopefully that doesn't disappear any time soon.
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5670 posts, RR: 17 Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5143 times:
I haven't seen one of their updated fleet schedules posted in a while. So I'm curious about next year's Brasilia retirements, if any then how many.
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San747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4936 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5009 times:
Quoting DL767captain (Reply 1): The EMB 120 will still be doing LAX-CLD (Carlsbad) hopefully that doesn't disappear any time soon.
I don't even think the CRJ can fly out of CLD, can it?
C767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 863 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4958 times:
Quoting San747 (Reply 3): I don't even think the CRJ can fly out of CLD, can it?
I believe it has been mentioned here a number of times that a CRJ would take weight penalties to do it.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22077 posts, RR: 51 Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4948 times:
I forget what the exact count is but Skywest is in the process of returning leases and parking half or so of the E120 fleet and has stated so over previous earning calls.
I know United is removing remaining 23 fee-for-departure Brasilias tails from its network thru 2010. The remaining UA tails, which make up about 45% of flying are under at-risk pro-rate arrangement, which I have no clue if OO will continue to purse on its own.
From SEC filings as of 9/30 - Skywest had 51 Brasilias. 40 at United and 11 with Delta.
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Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5536 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4912 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5): I know United is removing remaining 23 fee-for-departure Brasilias tails from its network thru 2010. The remaining UA tails, which make up about 45% of flying are under at-risk pro-rate arrangement, which I have no clue if OO will continue to purse on its own.
I'm still wondering how much longer OO (UA Exp) will continue their service in the PNW. I think they only operate 4 to 5 destinations up here.
I still wonder about the feasibility of another 30-pax and 19-pax operator up here should UA Express discontinue service up here.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10193 posts, RR: 62 Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4889 times:
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 6): I'm still wondering how much longer OO (UA Exp) will continue their service in the PNW. I think they only operate 4 to 5 destinations up here.
It does seem amazing how small the UAX operation has gotten in the Pacific Northwest - especially at SeaTac. But, I suppose it's to be expected, given that United was always fighting for a distant #2 there up against the regional 800-lb gorilla Alaska/Horizon.
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 6): I still wonder about the feasibility of another 30-pax and 19-pax operator up here should UA Express discontinue service up here.
Once again you have the problem of going up against Alaska/Horizon which has an unequalled network in the region and good service, plus they dominate the only viable regional hubs in Seattle and Portland.
FL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1499 posts, RR: 12 Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4814 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5): I forget what the exact count is but Skywest is in the process of returning leases and parking half or so of the E120 fleet and has stated so over previous earning calls.
I know United is removing remaining 23 fee-for-departure Brasilias tails from its network thru 2010. The remaining UA tails, which make up about 45% of flying are under at-risk pro-rate arrangement, which I have no clue if OO will continue to purse on its own.
What does this mean for the EM2 routes and destinations out of SFO and LAX?
MrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1203 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4805 times:
For SkyWest, it's about performance. Some (not all) of their LAX destinations cannot handle anything larger than the EMB-120, or a suitable replacement is just too expensive.
Personally, LAX-SGU is my rally cry. Hope they don't close it up.
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Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5446 posts, RR: 12 Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4790 times:
Quoting MrSkyGuy (Reply 9): Personally, LAX-SGU is my rally cry. Hope they don't close it up.
Sorry, boss. You missed the boat there the first week of September.
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LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22077 posts, RR: 51 Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4762 times:
Quoting FL787 (Reply 8): What does this mean for the EM2 routes and destinations out of SFO and LAX?
Well in the long run markets will either go jet, or be dropped.
OO is adding 18, 66-seaters to the UA system by end of 2010, plus the recently announced ASA flying which will back fill Mesa at ORD and IAD.
Quoting MrSkyGuy (Reply 9): Personally, LAX-SGU is my rally cry. Hope they don't close it up.
FL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1499 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4684 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11): OO is adding 18, 66-seaters to the UA system by end of 2010
Is this in addition to the 8 they have on order now? I thought OO used to have 50 CR7s for UA, then they ordered 20 and now they have 62 CR7s with 8 on order for UA. How many is OO supposed to have at the end of next year?
Apodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3642 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3614 times:
What about the IYK route? This is a big military contract route, and I just don't see that route working with a Jet. As it is, the airport is a special crew qualification required airport, and the crews that operate up there recieve special training.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10193 posts, RR: 62 Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3508 times:
Quoting Apodino (Reply 13): What about the IYK route? This is a big military contract route, and I just don't see that route working with a Jet. As it is, the airport is a special crew qualification required airport, and the crews that operate up there recieve special training.
While I'm not familiar with IYK specifically, I would submit that - if SkyWest is to slim down or eventually eliminate its EMB flying - then it will likely have to eliminate service to a slew of the LAX/SFO spoke markets that cannot support, either technically or economically, RJs.
I don't if cities like not only Inyonkern, but Chico, Crescent City, Modesto, Santa Maria, Imperial, Yuma or even Bakersfield or Palm Springs (from LAX) can profitably support 50-seat regional jets replacing far-lower-cost 30-seat props. Maybe, but I think some of those markets could be a stretch.
It is conceivable that the United Express operation at LAX specifically could ultimately end up looking more like the slimmed-down Eagle operation of the last decade - probably still larger, and serving more markets, but overall reduced from what it is now.
As costs continue to rise, the number of markets that can even hope to consistently, profitably support CRJs is getting smaller and smaller - not just in California, but nationwide.
Mrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1203 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3133 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11): Quoting MrSkyGuy (Reply 9):
Personally, LAX-SGU is my rally cry. Hope they don't close it up.
That non-rev special was discontinued by OO already.
SkyWest To Drop SGU-LAX (by Ridgid727 Jun 24 2009 in Civil Aviation)
I guess I'll be flying *sigh* to Vegas, and driving 2 hours to SGU. What a shame.
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JayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2555 times:
Quoting Mrskyguy (Reply 15): I guess I'll be flying *sigh* to Vegas, and driving 2 hours to SGU. What a shame.
Escaping SGU sucks these days. I keep hoping it will make a comeback now that the city realizes they've got to sell reasons for this new airport that is being built.
Ramprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1457 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2088 times:
It seems UAX operation in PDX is growing over the last couple of years. They added LMT and OTH when Horizon cut them. They bid for PDT, but Sea-Port won that EAS bid. So what will they do with the PDX mini-hub when the 120's go? The feed into PDX on UA is at a all time low, this has to hurt the feed onto RDM, EUG, MFR and the two new cities.
Mdw22l31c From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 197 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1808 times:
I miss the UAX Flights ONT-LAX SNA-LAX EMB120's. The convenient connections to the East Coast Cities.
Dl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1740 times:
Quoting San747 (Reply 3): I don't even think the CRJ can fly out of CLD, can it?
Quoting C767P (Reply 4): I believe it has been mentioned here a number of times that a CRJ would take weight penalties to do it.
I'm a little surprised they haven't decided to use a CRJ200 or and ERJ to replace the EMB out of CLD. it's not like a weight penalty would matter all too much for such a short hop to LAX.
Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5446 posts, RR: 12 Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1658 times:
Quoting Dl767captain (Reply 19): 'm a little surprised they haven't decided to use a CRJ200 or and ERJ to replace the EMB out of CLD. it's not like a weight penalty would matter all too much for such a short hop to LAX.
From numbers I've seen, it's about the same percentage of weight penalty, but in the end, the CRJ-200 takes more passengers overall. For a flight to SLC, PHX, or SFO, a CRJ-700 would work, but will see a penalty.
Overall, CLD is a not a very friendly airport for part 121 operations.
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F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4740 posts, RR: 30 Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1499 times:
Quoting Mrskyguy (Reply 15): I guess I'll be flying *sigh* to Vegas, and driving 2 hours to SGU. What a shame.
I remember the good days when they flew LAS to SGU. Can't you go through SLC?
C767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 863 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1477 times:
Quoting Dl767captain (Reply 19): I'm a little surprised they haven't decided to use a CRJ200 or and ERJ to replace the EMB out of CLD. it's not like a weight penalty would matter all too much for such a short hop to LAX.
Right now, why do it? You have the right plane for the job. No sense to upgrade equipment, taking it off another, and not be able to fill it up.
Quoting F9Animal (Reply 21): I remember the good days when they flew LAS to SGU. Can't you go through SLC?
Yes, I think they have around 7 flights a day on SLC-SGU.
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