GentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2069 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7220 times:
It could be worse. NYC is supposedly the rat capital of USA according to David Letterman
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MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4724 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7104 times:
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19707 posts, RR: 56 Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6394 times:
Quoting CatIII (Reply 4): So what do you do here to exterminate it? Take off, dump the pressurization for a little while while the pilots stay on oxygen, then land?
The problem is not exterminating it, the problem is what wires it may have chewed through while it was still living.
-Mir
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GentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2069 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5436 times:
Quoting CatIII (Reply 4): So what do you do here to exterminate it? Take off, dump the pressurization for a little while while the pilots stay on oxygen, then land
First, check with lost and found to see if anybody filed a lost pet critter report.
Quoting Mir (Reply 5): The problem is not exterminating it, the problem is what wires it may have chewed through while it was still living.
In all seriousness concur whole heartily. I wonder when they find evidence of such damage does that put the airframe on a accelerated C-check schedule. I'm guessing be airline would also be required to notify the FAA in normal schedule maintenance reporting.
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AndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 44 Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5059 times:
Believe it or not - this is a quite frequent issue we have on aircraft. Mice will get in through paper products in lavs or via baggage (yuck, I know). They typically hide in lavs or galleys and must be removed before they do damage to the wiring or other items onboard the aircraft.
I won't say which carrier or type - so don't ask - but I will say we see this almost weekly. The way we get rid of them is to set up traps onboard during an RON, baited with peanut butter or cheese. We usually have one or two clients by the time we remove the traps in the morning.
Duckredbeard From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4894 times:
From the article: "Officials at the gate told waiting passengers that a mouse could potentially chew through electrical wires and hydraulic lines, creating a safety hazard."
What hydraulic lines could a rodent chew through? If they are made to withstand a 3000 psi of hot fluid, I doubt a rodent's teeth could do any damage at all. Besides, there are only few times that I've seen hydraulic lines inside the pressurized areas. There are more enticing things to gnaw on for sure, we call it "track mix".
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4724 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4871 times:
Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 7): The way we get rid of them is to set up traps onboard during an RON, baited with peanut butter or cheese.
Carls From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 517 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4611 times:
I was two weeks ago at La Guardia Airport flying to Miami in AA and while we were waiting to get on board there was like three or four Mouse playing and looking for something to eat. They are used to deal with people that you can walk next to them and they won't run away.
So I am not impressed with this, it is an issue the Airport management will go over when something happens.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16819 posts, RR: 57 Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4428 times:
Quoting Duckredbeard (Reply 8): From the article: "Officials at the gate told waiting passengers that a mouse could potentially chew through electrical wires and hydraulic lines, creating a safety hazard."
What hydraulic lines could a rodent chew through? If they are made to withstand a 3000 psi of hot fluid, I doubt a rodent's teeth could do any damage at all. Besides, there are only few times that I've seen hydraulic lines inside the pressurized areas. There are more enticing things to gnaw on for sure, we call it "track mix".
I can't answer your question, but I can tell you that in the fall of 1996, the entire campus of Stanford University went dark (right in the middle of my calculus midterm). The reason was that two rats chewed through the insulation around one of the switch gears and shorted out the campus's power plant.
Jetpixx From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 811 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4387 times:
Did you hear about the LAX crew that was cleaning out an AA 767 a few years back and found a dead mouse caught in one of the oxygen masks? Can you imagine you are on a plane, facing an emergency, the oxygen mask drops down and you end up getting mouse-to-mouth resuscitation? lol
7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 632 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4236 times:
Quoting Duckredbeard (Reply 8): What hydraulic lines could a rodent chew through? If they are made to withstand a 3000 psi of hot fluid, I doubt a rodent's teeth could do any damage at all. Besides, there are only few times that I've seen hydraulic lines inside the pressurized areas. There are more enticing things to gnaw on for sure, we call it "track mix".
While they do hold fluids @ 3000 psi - hydraulic lines are pretty pliable. Depending on the use and system you can bend them by hand. It is not that the mouse will chew through it, but it could puncture it with its little fangs.
AndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 44 Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3962 times:
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 9): How do you know that you have caught them all?
It's impossible to know if you catch them all. All you can do is catch whatever you can and then watch that aircraft for signs of mice (chewed up c-fold towels or tissue paper in the lavs, droppings in the galleys, etc.). If you set traps on an aircraft and it doesn't get squawked for mice again - odds are you got the lil fuggers.
Remember that it's not necessarily an "infestation". I've never seen more than two on an aircraft. They are quickly dealt with once they get onboard.
Mbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 788 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3751 times:
Judging on some recent issues in my basement - old house syndrome - I can only imagine how tough it is to catch the little buggers!
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EBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3631 times:
Quoting Duckredbeard (Reply 8): From the article: "Officials at the gate told waiting passengers that a mouse could potentially chew through electrical wires and hydraulic lines, creating a safety hazard."
I want to meet the mouse that can chew through a hydraulic line. On the other hand, no I don't! That'd be one mean mouse!
WROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 811 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3543 times:
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 2): Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 1):
NYC is supposedly the rat capital of USA
Until they produce the corpse, I'd assume it is a rat.
Considering it is NYC we are talking about I think you are 100% right. They said mouse not to scare people....
Byrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2146 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3525 times:
Quoting Duckredbeard (Reply 8): What hydraulic lines could a rodent chew through? If they are made to withstand a 3000 psi of hot fluid, I doubt a rodent's teeth could do any damage at all.
Mice and rats have been known to gnaw through brick so a hydraulic line poses no problem.
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MadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 350 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3389 times:
IIRC, didn't AA have a rodent problem on their 762's a year or two ago?
I wonder if this is the same ship that had this problem a few weeks ago, seems like it could be since they are/were both 764's operating the JFK-LHR route...
CatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 2277 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3333 times:
Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 1): It could be worse. NYC is supposedly the rat capital of USA according to David Letterman
David Letterman...the voice of authority. If he said it it must be true.
Quoting EIJFK (Reply 16): A trip to New York is not complete for me until I see a rat in the subway, so I guess it's fitting that they're scavenging around JFK!
Quoting WROORD (Reply 19): Considering it is NYC we are talking about I think you are 100% right. They said mouse not to scare people....
Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 21): wonder if this is the same ship that had this problem a few weeks ago, seems like it could be since they are/were both 764's operating the JFK-LHR route...
Not to pick on my cousins in Her Majesty's Kingdom, but who is to say that these mice/rats/rodents aren't in fact subjects of the Queen who hitched a ride to the colony? London has a long history with rat infestations (starting with the bubonic plague) and if I recall a few summers ago when I was living over there on a temporary assignment I believe there was what the press was calling a "super rat" surge.
Lxa333 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 266 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3310 times:
This is pretty funny, the little guy just cost delta some money... The funniest is when there are rats on the main avenues, these buggers can cause traffic and I've seen some HUGE rats at times causing traffic. They need to get some better technological applications of preventing this rather than hitting the thing with a broom like I've seen before in restaurants, thats old style Elizabethan London in 16th century......
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16819 posts, RR: 57 Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3239 times:
Quoting Lxa333 (Reply 23): They need to get some better technological applications of preventing this
An axiom I picked up in my days as a biologist comes to mind:
"If you build a better mousetrap, someone will build a better mouse." And it's true. Mice in NYC are often poison and trap-resistant.
25 Comorin: Peanut butter and cheese? That's more than than what pax get as a snack! Seriously Wouldn't it be simpler to have a cat on board each flight? They wo
26 EIJFK: @CatIII I'm sure you're correct in saying London is just as badly off, any big city is susceptible to that sort of thing, but I spend more time visiti
27 DocLightning: The Limeys like to talk about the "rats" they get in their Tube. I saw a "rat." It looked like a NYC mouse. In NYC, the rats can get to 1.5-2kg. That
28 HAWK21M: Normally these culprits enter the Aircraft thru the catering vehicles or cargo. fumigation is the best bet. regds MEL.
29 DocLightning: I'd imagine so. I suppose it's pretty easy to make an aircraft airtight.
30 HAWK21M: But its tough finding the troublemaker easily. regds MEL.
31 EIJFK: Hah, that's a gem that one! Off topic still, but I never noticed a London rat in the tube, I'm sure they're there, but I'm also sure they pale in com
32 AndrewUber: LOL - Good point! Fumigation would kill the mouse, but as you later pointed out - finding the remains would be a challenge. Then the dead mouse begin
33 DocLightning: True, but most paying passengers don't get their necks broken for eating an inflight snack. Any airline that implemented such a policy might have tro
34 Crosswinds21: Haha, this whole thread makes me think of this (see 3:58): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbyH9w8zaWY (Possibly NSFW.)
35 DocLightning: Thats the next Ryanair charge. Stink-free vs. stinky seats. Stink-free is an extra €50. I'll see your Larry David and raise you Voltron. http://www
36 Mir: I'm going to guess that that particular phrase has never before been uttered. But the Larry David clip tits in addition to mice, and the Voltron clip
37 Crosswinds21: Wow, very long but I actually watched it. Now the question is, who would you prefer to actually have on a plane with you? I'd take Larry David withou
38 Mir: HELL NO. Four hours next to Larry David? I'd start looking for ways to off myself after twenty minutes (see Exhibits A and B below). http://www.youtu
39 Crosswinds21: That first one is excellent. I haven't seen season 7 yet. I really need to buy the DVDs!
40 HAWK21M: True if the rat does not get the time to escape. regds MEL.
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