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AA's New SAF Flights Beginning November 19  
User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6530 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2245 times:

Looking at AA's new SAF flights beginning on November 19, I have noticed some interesting things.

On the flights departing from SAF, it appears that the earlier SAF-DFW flight and the SAF-LAX flights are about 2/3 full. However, the new additional later SAF-DFW flight appears to only be 1/3 full. I am sure that loads will increase the closer it gets to that date. However, I would think that it would have been wiser for AA/AE to have an aircraft stay in SAF overnight and have it depart the next morning, as the later flight does not give good connection opportunity to the East Coast.

On the flights arriving into SAF, the loads on both DFW-SAF flights are so far so good, with the loads actually better so far on the later DFW-SAF flight, which is almost entirely booked. However, bookings for the LAX-SAF flight is currently only about 1/3 full. As always, it will remain to be seen if loads will increase as the date gets closer.

Anyway, if these flights turn out to be successful, then we could indeed see other airlines consider flights in to SAF, such as a Delta Connection/SkyWest flight to/from SLC, and/or a United Expres flight to/from DEN.


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User currently offlineCrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2134 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Looking at AA's new SAF flights beginning on November 19, I have noticed some interesting things.

On the flights departing from SAF, it appears that the earlier SAF-DFW flight and the SAF-LAX flights are about 2/3 full. However, the new additional later SAF-DFW flight appears to only be 1/3 full. I am sure that loads will increase the closer it gets to that date. However, I would think that it would have been wiser for AA/AE to have an aircraft stay in SAF overnight and have it depart the next morning, as the later flight does not give good connection opportunity to the East Coast.

On the flights arriving into SAF, the loads on both DFW-SAF flights are so far so good, with the loads actually better so far on the later DFW-SAF flight, which is almost entirely booked. However, bookings for the LAX-SAF flight is currently only about 1/3 full. As always, it will remain to be seen if loads will increase as the date gets closer.

Anyway, if these flights turn out to be successful, then we could indeed see other airlines consider flights in to SAF, such as a Delta Connection/SkyWest flight to/from SLC, and/or a United Expres flight to/from DEN.

Regarding the second daily SAF-DFW flight, I completely agree with you. That flight is not timed well for most connections. I actually posted this in an earlier thread, where I also that it would probably be better to have that aircraft RON in SAF. However, it's probably an aircraft availability issue as I'm sure that AA considered the RON option.

Regarding loads, the LAX-SAF and SAF-LAX flights do appear a little light. However, there seem to be a very high amount of O&D on it, which would compensate for the load. Additionally, judging by some random data on the existing daily DFW-SAF flight, there are a high amount of last minute (e.g. less than 7 day advance) bookings so hopefully that will be the case for SAF-LAX as well. Supposedly, the SAF-LAX flight is there due to a lot of wealthy people traveling between the two cities so maybe it's possible that many last minute, higher fare bookings can be expected.

On a side note, the new DFW-MHK flights appear to be doing extremely well in terms of loads (not sure about yields).


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6530 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

Also, interestingly, the new additional SAF-DFW flight was originally going to be an ER4, but it has been downgraded to an ERD. I wonder what was the reason for the downgrade.


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User currently offlineElmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1997 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
Also, interestingly, the new additional SAF-DFW flight was originally going to be an ER4, but it has been downgraded to an ERD. I wonder what was the reason for the downgrade.

Aircraft availability and network needs. Eagle will rotate the -140s through Santa Fe on their way to the West Coast.


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6530 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1695 times:

Since the flights begin tomorrow, I think it is time to revisit the subject.

The loads on the DFW flights seem decent, except on the late SAF-DFW flight. As I said, it would probably be more successful if the aircraft would RON in SAF.

However, the loads on the LAX flights still appear to be light. I think this is quite surprising, as the film industry has been asking for this flight.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2865 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1687 times:

With regards to the less than stellar loads, I think this is reminiscent of the fact that this airport hasn't seen this level of commercial service in many years. For a while they just had those tiny B1900s to DEN. Once people learn of the convenience and comfort of the AE RJs, I bet we will see more demand!


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