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Midwest Adds SFO And RDU  
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6748 posts, RR: 18
Posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8644 times:

Once daily SFO on the Airbus 319 starting April 19, 2010..

Twice daily RDU on the Embraer 170 starting April 1, 2010..


YEAH!!!


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User currently offlineCmk10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8624 times:

Didn't Midwest used to serve RDU with a CRJ-200 circa 2006?


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6748 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8602 times:

Actually, it was circa 2008.. started 3x daily.. then dropped to 2x daily.. then dropped.. now it's back on better aircraft..

Hopefully a MCI and DEN announcement will add to the excitement! Perhaps a 2x MCI on CRJ and 2x DEN on E90?



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8578 times:

So for all intent and purposes on operation side..Frontier Aircraft and crew is flying MKE-SFO, and the Midwest website will book MKE-SFO...man that can be confusing even for people like us who are experts in traveling.

Will Frontier Airlines website book MKE-SFO as a F9 branded flight or a YX branded flight with an F9 codeshare, even though it is operated by F9 themselves...  crazy 

Alex



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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1396 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8556 times:



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
Actually, it was circa 2008.. started 3x daily.. then dropped to 2x daily.. then dropped.. now it's back on better aircraft..

IIRC, YX service to RDU predates the regional operations. During the 90's, I believe MKE-RDU operated with DC9's and, later, the Avro rockets.

Someone with better memory than mine can surely elaborate, though. Good news to see this service to Carolina return, particularly with better connecting opportunities to the west.

As a side note, does the E70 have the legs to perform DEN-RDU?

-Mike



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User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8550 times:

I guess we will see probably FL announce something similar and maybe CLT as well. Its going to be interesting the next few weeks and couple of months as new routes are announced at both carriers.


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6748 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8503 times:



Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 4):

As a side note, does the E70 have the legs to perform DEN-RDU?

United ran the E70 to DEN in 2007.. it didn't work very well. Weight restrictions meant they had to leave pax and baggage at RDU. They upgraded it to a 733 before dropping it completely.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24973 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8506 times:
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Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 3):
So for all intent and purposes on operation side..Frontier Aircraft and crew is flying MKE-SFO, and the Midwest website will book MKE-SFO...man that can be confusing even for people like us who are experts in traveling.

What's confusing? It is one airline - Frontier/Midwest.

What we're seeing at the moment is just the housekeeping of brining them together, which will take a year or so.

It should be no more confusing than Delta/Northwest was.

mariner



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6574 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8465 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 7):
What's confusing? It is one airline - Frontier/Midwest.

Not in the eyes of most consumers. I can guarantee you most people buying a plane ticket have no idea that F9 and YX are owned by the same parent corporation.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7004 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8454 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 3):
Will Frontier Airlines website book MKE-SFO as a F9 branded flight or a YX branded flight with an F9 codeshare, even though it is operated by F9 themselves...

That's a great point. I just checked that. It brings up several interesting secondary points. First, Frontier's much self-praised packaged pricing approach of Economy/Classic/Classic Plus is being severely wounded by the influx of regionals and multi-branded airplanes. I was looking at MKE-LAX and its a hodge-podge where most routings only offer Economy.

Next, you can't buy Frontier's flights operating under YX's brand on the F9 site. The reverse also appears to be true. In fact, YX is $99 MKE-LAX, while F9 is $119 on 1/19/2009.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8426 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 7):

What's confusing? It is one airline - Frontier/Midwest.

Not to the general public though, Republic has not advertised nor are they advertising a MERGER or consolidating of the two airlines into one, in terms of brands.

DL/NW were heavily advertising it so passengers could possibly except some brand confusion.

If a general passenger in MKE hears Midwest Airlines started MKE-SFO, they would go to the midwestairlines.com website, book the route, select the seat on the A319 and show up to see a F9 Crew, and plane and brand.

Is F9 gates/ground ops working the flight or YX at MKE? On board the aircraft is all announcements made for Republic, Midwest or Frontier?

Even on NW flights it said, Delta Flight XXX on behalf of Northwest..

This could be announced "Midwest Airlines flight xxx operated on behalf of Frontier Airlines, by Republic Airlines/Holding"  Silly

Quoting Mariner (Reply 7):

What we're seeing at the moment is just the housekeeping of brining them together, which will take a year or so.

Is that confirmed, merging the two airlines together to one brand/airline name? I keep hearing they will keep them seperate and rotate the aircrafts between YX/F9 as needed and what they are doing right now.

Alex



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24973 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8425 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Reply 9):
Next, you can't buy Frontier's flights operating under YX's brand on the F9 site.

Yes, you can. You can buy MKE-MCO and most others to the east of MKE.

But - as I've pointed out before - you cannot buy anything to the west of MKE, because of issues with the Delta code share - which issues are being "resolved."

Housekeeping. It was never all going to happen overnight.

mariner



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4432 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8391 times:



Quoting ERJ170 (Thread starter):
Twice daily RDU on the Embraer 170 starting April 1, 2010..

Is Eagle Still handling their ground operations? If so they would be in Terminal 2?

Will Republic set up at RDU and work out of Terminal 1?



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7004 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8371 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 10):
Not to the general public though, Republic has not advertised nor are they advertising a MERGER or consolidating of the two airlines into one, in terms of brands.

To me, when you buy a ticket on Frontier and the tickets says "Flight is operated by Republic Airlines DBA Midwest Connect" I'd be confused. I don't think I've ever even seen that before. Doesn't it have to be doing business as Frontier in order to be sold as a Frontier ticket??? Isn't that the definition of "doing business as (DBA)"?

Quoting Mariner (Reply 11):
But - as I've pointed out before - you cannot buy anything to the west of MKE



Quoting Enilria (Reply 9):
First, Frontier's much self-praised packaged pricing approach of Economy/Classic/Classic Plus is being severely wounded by the influx of regionals and multi-branded airplanes.

I must have missed the thread where that was discussed, but I'll say now that is, at best, odd. You didn't comment on my other quote above. Don't you think this mess is destroying their novel pricing approach which they have lathered praise on? Only 4 of the 10 flight options on MKE-LAX offer tiered pricing.

Also, what about the fact that YX is undercutting F9 on the same route using F9's plane? How is that optimizing the network? What a joke/mess/disaster...


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24973 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8374 times:
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Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 10):
If a general passenger in MKE hears Midwest Airlines started MKE-SFO, they would go to the midwestairlines.com website, book the route, select the seat on the A319 and show up to see a F9 Crew, and plane and brand.

Yes. And - ?

That passenger gets to SFO from MKE, which is what they bought. They get a cookie AND tv, and if they paid for it or upgraded to it, stretch seating.

Already many of the stations, such as LAX have dual branding, so who gets confused?

And by the time that route starts, I imagine the processes of integration will be much further along.

mariner



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24973 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8313 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Reply 13):
I must have missed the thread where that was discussed, but I'll say now that is, at best, odd.

Why "odd" ? Delta was always in it for Delta. They smiled on the salvation of Midwest and, to some extent on the combo with Frontier, but they are still looking out for Delta.

So either they'll come to terms with the combo or the Delta codeshare will go away. Housekeeping.

Quoting Enilria (Reply 13):
Don't you think this mess is destroying their novel pricing approach which they have lathered praise on? Only 4 of the 10 flight options on MKE-LAX offer tiered pricing.

I didn't comment because I've said it all before and it gets tedious batting down every negative you put up.

But - one mo' time. I donlt have a crystal ball, but I assume that the Midwest half will move to a form of tiered pricing and AirFairs springs to my.

But whatever it is, it will be uniform across the two airlines.

mariner



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6748 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8311 times:



Quoting CasInterest (Reply 12):
s Eagle Still handling their ground operations? If so they would be in Terminal 2?

It depends on if Midwest/Frontier considers themself a LCC (Frontier) or a full service carrier (Midwest). If LCC, they would be in Terminal 1. If full service, they would be in Terminal 2.

They could be handled by Eagle since they are losing 9 flights and will probably have free time, but since RDU is CUTE (at least Terminal 2 is), they could go into any gate..

I would guess that if Midwest/Republic was going to add more flights to MCI and DEN (and/or add to MKE), they would probably do their own ground handling.



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1342 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8283 times:

Great news! Glad to hear "YX" is back to RDU! Hopefully we will see more "YX" buildup out of RDU.

I would like to see them in Terminal 2; doesn't "YX" codeshare with AA/AE? besides the ground handling.



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User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2349 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8244 times:

Confusion?
1) You buy the ticket on midwest.com
2) You go to the airport and go to the gate listed for the YX flight.
3) You check with the person at the YX counter in a YX uniform if your YX flight is on time.
4) The YX agent calls the flight and you give your YX boarding pass to the YX agent.
5) You sit down and the F9 flight attendant announces that this is YX flightXXX going to SAN and if you don't want to go there you should get off.
6) You notice the F9 material in the seatback pocket and ask the flight attendant.
7) He/She assures you that they will take you to SAN.
8) You ask the most important question: "Will I get a choclate chip cookie?" and the flight attendant says yes.
9) All is right with the world.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8196 times:

Another question to consider is how many passengers really look out the window and pay attention to the airplane they are boarding? 80%? 70%? 50%?

Out of that percentage, how many of those are going to look out there and care enough to be confused by it? 80%? 70%? 50%? Those that are confused will probably ask a gate agent, and the gate agent can explain the situation. Not that difficult to resolve.

Out of those people that look out the plane, care enough to be confused, and are still confused after they've asked a gate agent, how many of those people are going to be so confused that they won't board the airplane? I'd venture to guess that number will be close to 0%.

And finally, as Mariner said, I think the 'drawback' of being confused will be more than made up for once they see that they are not only getting the Midwest Airlines product, but the Frontier Airlines product to boot...TV and cookies (and upgraded seating if they wish).

I don't think I need to cite a study to say that what the consumer cares about most is getting from Point A to Point B on time. They aren't going to let a small brand confusion that can be solved by a Gate Agent deter them from claiming what they bought and paid for.

I'll try to relate it to a different mode of transportation. If I bought a ticket on Greyhound for a cross country trip, but the Bus itself had a different livery and said "Executive Northwest Coach" or whatever on the side, would I care? No. I care about getting cross-country. I'll do what the agents tell me to do, simple as that. If they tell me to board the Executive Northwest Coach, I'll do that. We only care about it because we know so much about the airline industry. To the average joe passenger who doesn't know very much about airlines, they more often than not don't really care what the airplane is painted in, they just care about getting to their destination.

And from a brand standpoint, is it really any different than buying a ticket on Delta.com and getting to the gate to find a generic SkyWest CRJ-200 sittting outside? It boards out of a Delta gate, called as a Delta flight...

Quoting Enilria (Reply 13):
Also, what about the fact that YX is undercutting F9 on the same route using F9's plane? How is that optimizing the network? What a joke/mess/disaster...

I think we should wait to see some financial reports before we start calling it a joke/mess/disaster.

EDIT: By the way, it's great to see Midwest additions again! Could we see F9 start DEN-RDU? I would love to see more DEN-Eastern US destinations.

[Edited 2009-11-10 11:36:22]

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5443 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7945 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 13):
Also, what about the fact that YX is undercutting F9 on the same route using F9's plane? How is that optimizing the network? What a joke/mess/disaster...

This type of thing happens all the time. Granted, I haven't tried this with an itinerary comparing NW and DL, but flying SEA-Socal it is often cheaper to buy a ticket on AA, even though I'll be on an Alaska Airlines flight. It seems strange to me, but who am I to second-guess what works for them? As long as I'm happy, it's all good.

Quoting Enilria (Reply 9):
It brings up several interesting secondary points. First, Frontier's much self-praised packaged pricing approach of Economy/Classic/Classic Plus is being severely wounded by the influx of regionals and multi-branded airplanes. I was looking at MKE-LAX and its a hodge-podge where most routings only offer Economy.

Again, isn't it pretty common, particularly when flying out of hubs, to have multiple aircraft types/operators flying as the same "airline"? For example, Hub-XXX where it's a mix of mainline and regional aircraft. The regional aircraft may be a single-class Q200, and single-class CRJ-200, and perhaps even a third type with, say, E+ or something, but also have a mainline option that includes F.

Again, I guess I'm missing the big deal, with one caveat: These things are happening before the true PR fanfare of a merger. Absent that, it is harder to get our arms around, but I have faith that the Republic family will do their best to make it work.

-Dave



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User currently offlineTSRA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7899 times:

When are they going to start announcing new MCI flights? I thought they were going to build up MCI?

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24973 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7903 times:
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Quoting TSRA (Reply 21):
When are they going to start announcing new MCI flights? I thought they were going to build up MCI?

They've already announced MCI-RSW.

mariner



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User currently offlineTSRA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7874 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 22):
They've already announced MCI-RSW

Is that the extent of their build up? I thought it was said MCI would be back to where it was before all the cut backs (42 flights a day or somewhere close to that)?


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24973 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7857 times:
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Quoting TSRA (Reply 23):
Is that the extent of their build up?

I don't have a crystal ball, but I doubt it. But I also doubt they're going to announce everything all at once.

There's quite a lot going on.

mariner



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25 PlanesNTrains : They may very well be looking at expansion for MCI, but they seem to be moving on DEN/MKE first, with some secondary opportunities thrown in. MCI wil
26 PlanesNTrains : Or vice-versa. -Dave
27 TSRA : Ah come on Mariner, yes you do! History says any new service in this market would start in November (to get Turkey day and Christmas/New Years traffi
28 KcrwFlyer : deep breaths..... I thought they ran a CR7?
29 Mariner : There's a small issue of available aircraft. This present winter schedule (your "November") was always designed to cover the loss of the 717's. Now t
30 Packcheer : RDU would love to have back some flights out west. We have one or two a day on Southwest (PHX, LAS, DIA) US Airways (PHX) Delta has dropped SLC, and t
31 ERJ170 : US is dropping PHX.. WN is our only airline that flies to/past the Rockies..
32 Lexy : In all honesty, I think that's why you have BNA. It "connects" you to things in the west so to speak. MDW and BWI as well. If WN adds anything out of
33 ERJ170 : Agreed.. it's doubtful WN would add anything out west.. they would simply pass everything through PHX, LAS, DEN, MDW, and BWI...
34 Lexy : To expand on that, I hate it too. Because it seems like a total departure (no pun intended) from what the WN "model" in the past was. They liked to c
35 Boydatageek : In MKE Everyone knows! Even those that haven't flown a flight in 15 years. It's part of what everyone gets up to hear. How did the Packer's do? What'
36 MKENut : Looks like you watched Fargo and came up with this sterotype for people who live in Milwaukee. If anything the local media is at fault for most of th
37 Tommy767 : Very surprised that UA hasn't jumped on the RDU-SFO route. Maybe they will now that Midwest is on it.
38 ERJ170 : Close.. Midwest did MKE-SFO... Doubtful we will see UA restart DEN soon.. but you never know.. Likely, it will be Midwest Frontier... Highly doubtful
39 Tommy767 : Ah **** I have to get my eyes checked. I have always wondered why RDU to LAX and SFO had such half-assed tries over the years. I would figure these r
40 Boydatageek : No, most of it was already formed with Happy Days and Laverne And Shirley. I am serious, and don't call me Shirley.
41 Jamake1 : It's very confusing. Nowhere have I read where Republic Airlines Holdings has mentioned that the company intends to merge the F9 and YX brands. I'll
42 Post contains links ThegreatRDU : Here we go 3rd time should be the charm... http://www.rdu.com/news/2009/release_111009.htm RDU Airport, NC – Raleigh-Durham International Airport le
43 MtnWest1979 : Midwest is not doing RDU-SFO.
44 Post contains links and images Mariner : At the moment, they don't intend to merge the brands, although many are expecting that they will, eventually. Instead, they own both and are creating
45 SANFan : Interesting that you use "SAN" as the destination in your scenario. As far as I know, SAN is about the only previously-served YX station that has not
46 Kevin752 : All I am really reading here is that YX now F9 is just adding flights back on to mainline a/c (now F9 mainline a/c) to destinations they use to serve
47 SurfandSnow : These seem like perfectly logical additions from MKE. Nice to see the YX route map being restored to its former glory
48 Devildog2222 : Does anyone know if the Midwest flight at SFO will use the gate in T3 or since it's a F9 aircraft will they use gate 41 or 43 in T1.
49 Cubsrule : There are some others, like BDL and CLT.
50 TVNWZ : I am hopeful!
51 Mariner : My fingers are crossed, too, SANFan, and I'm also hoping for MCI-SAN. (and not just because of Airtran's announcement). Fwiw, I think MCI could play
52 SANFan : ?? Sorry Mariner, which FL announcement are you referring to? When was CLT dropped, Cubbie? I was actually referencing the mainline cuts announced in
53 MtnWest1979 : Personally, I think SAN would be out since the Republic group of airlines can just as easily route pax thru DEN to MCI or MKE or wherever and therefor
54 Post contains links N702ML : The first timetable in my collection that shows YX service to RDU is January 4, 1999. http://www.departedflights.com/YX010499.html RDU-MCI 11:35am-1:
55 Mariner : Ahhhh - I thought Airtran just announced MKE-SAN as seasonal summer service? It's on their route map. mariner
56 SANFan : Yes, there was no announcement but just last week I did see FL's SAN-MKE (plus 1 SAN-ATL) flight finally show up on the schedule for next summer. bb
57 FL787 : That's not new though, they've flown it for at least this last summer, maybe the one before. I can't remember exactly.
58 Post contains links Mariner : There must have been some announcement somewhere because I knew about it and - being so far away - pretty much everything I post comes from public do
59 Mariner : It's an old dream of mine - a heartland approach. The only time Vanguard was ever profitable (for two quarters) was with that heartland approach - an
60 FL787 : " target=_blank>http://atwonline.com/news/story.html...18406 I don't know why they made MKE-SAN seem new in that article but it's not. It's been summ
61 Mariner : I agree, I understood it wasn't new. I saw the announcement simply as confirmation that they are bringing it back for next summer. And I have no idea
62 Airport : I could say with confidence that if MCI ever got a new terminal that made it easy for passengers to connect, an attempt(s) would be made for a major h
63 Cubsrule : Why is MCI preferable to STL (which is about to lose what hub it has left)?
64 Cactus13 : Midwest is now in Terminal 1 being handled by F9 at SFO. They moved on November 1 or 2.
65 SANFan : " target=_blank>http://atwonline.com/news/story.html...18406 Thanks for that Mariner. I did not see it. I don't want to further continue to hijack th
66 BMI727 : Presumably if MCI improved the facilities it would be much nicer than STL. For that matter it might be now, I've never been there.
67 FL787 : I'm not trying to hijack the thread either but it's not that SAN is a seasonal destination, it's that, for FL, there are better places to put that pl
68 ERJ170 : Perhaps this should move to a San Diego or AirTran thread.. Back to the Midwest Announcement.. what could be next on the horizon? And will there be a
69 Mariner : You're not Pat Malone (down-under speak - you're not alone). There appears to have been a fairly dramatic rethink of Lynx - to the positive, if it's
70 YXwatcherMKE : I'm happy to see the MKE -SFO and RDU route returning. The RDU route will make it easier to go visit my brother. Also if I'm not mistaken there are so
71 ERJ170 : If I recall correctly, it means "If I Recall Correctly"...
72 Cubsrule : The issue isn't that MKE-SAN is seasonal. It's that BOS-MCO is, and Florida is where the aircraft goes the other half of the year. Think of it this w
73 C767P : FL is the only airline serving San Diego that is a seasonal carrier. I would love to hear a reason as to why that is. I would guess very few people i
74 YXwatcherMKE : Thank You to both of you for your quick answers and explanations. Still I wish we could go to SAN n/s year round, its my wife's favorite location to
75 USAirALB : I wonder if CLT will come back.
76 Delta767 : The Carolinas thread on this board indicated strong rumors about DEN-GSO and maybe MKE-GSO because of the crew (maintenance) base being opened by Repu
77 ERJ170 : I doubt if the RDU announcement would have much to do with GSO. it is an untapped market for sure.. if it is for maintenance, I could see a flight go
78 Gsoflyer : No one is coming to GSO. It goes back to my comment. The passenger terminal should be shut down, it is a waste of money. You do realize we have 2 com
79 FutureFO : We are actually opening GSO as a base in the 1st quarter of 2010. Then it will close down the RP base for GSO in around Mar. There is a strong word co
80 ERJ170 : Well, here's my hope again that Midwest Frontier will bring MCI and DEN to RDU.. I think MCI did well when MQ and XE flew the route.. and with only 1
81 Cubsrule : Surely they can't be planning to make any money on that...
82 Mariner : DEN-GSO? I don't see it. I'm not even sure that DEN-CLT or DEN-RDU would be slam dunk for making money. From MKE, perhaps. One point of Frontier/Midw
83 NZblue : They are planning to make money on that...and don't call me Shirley. (I'm sorry, I tried SO hard not to post this)
84 Cubsrule : Sure, but GSO isn't that big. They aren't talking about serving bigger places in the southeast like ORF or CLT or places about the same size like RIC
85 Mariner : I'm not sure what your point is - I agree. I hope they're not going to do it. I think that starting service DEN-GSO just because there is a Republic
86 Cubsrule : No, I assume it's on the list, but it ought to be farther up the list than GSO. I wouldn't look for GSO until after places like ORF and CLT are annou
87 Mariner : Again, I agree. I'm not sure where this DEN-GSO talk is coming from. mariner[Edited 2009-11-14 11:48:00 by mariner]
88 YXwatcherMKE : Sorry Gsoflyer but I really don't think that GSO is on their planning board right now. The current plan is to restore service to where it was prior to
89 PI731 : If I can remember correctly, Midwest did fly to CLT twice a day with CRJs.. It would be interesting to see if they re going to bring back BWI and BDL
90 FutureFO : The 170's are completely off of the Mokulele routes. And the planes are on the mainland operating out of LGA. The HNL base closed in Oct.
91 Gsoflyer : Uh, sorry to me? I think GSO should be shut down. If a metro of 1.5 million people that used to support 179 flights per day can barely hang on to 45
92 Mke717spotter : Sorry that its off-topic, but did YX get rid of their BOB "Best Care Cuisine" meals? I'm looking at the menu on their website and I don't really see a
93 FutureFO : YX still has the BOB on the flights. And it is the same offering that was previously offered.
94 Post contains links MKE717spotter : Are you sure its the same? Just take a look at the new menu and then compare it to what they were offering last month. http://www.midwestairlines.com
95 FutureFO : It is a modification on what is available, however it is it still there. We keep getting catering updates all the time. We are making things standard
96 Mke717spotter : Well yeah I know that there's still food available in general, but my question concerned the "Best Care Cuisine" disappearing because what's offered
97 MUWarriors : I really enjoyed the more expensive, but better meals, especially the breakfast. My wife will be happy to see the cheese curds have gotten cheaper, h
98 Rampart : I think it was just after the DL-NW merger was announced -- adding potential confusion -- I bought a ticket EWR-SHV on CO's website, and flew half of
99 Post contains links and images Pilotfox : Looks like at least one is working out of MKE. I saw N870RW RON in MKE. View Large View MediumPhoto © Andy Egloff
100 JBo : Was it still in Mokulele colors? Or had it been painted?
101 Sideflare75 : 870 is painted white with a blue tail. Basic Republic livery.
102 RDUDDJI : Hate to be a naysayer, but if WN couldn't make RDU-MCI work, I seriously doubt YX can. RDU-DEN would be nice, but that route hasn't exactly been a hu
103 ERJ170 : WN flew that route in the early 2000s? Its a much different market now. And I think XE and MQ flew the route well.. although I can't remember exactly
104 Mariner : Straining my memory here, but didn't someone start - or want to start - RDU-SJC, as tech hub to tech hub? Did it ever start? Did it do any good? mari
105 ERJ170 : I believe it was on the books for AA during their hubs days.. but never started.. Midway II flew it, but they went over (not sure, but don't think it
106 YXwatcherMKE : " target=_blank>http://www.mymidwestmagazine.com/200...nu-2/ Well this stinks, I really liked the old meal service. This "new" catering service is no
107 Womack17 : Midway ran RDU-SJC-RDU with a mid morning departure and a early evening return. JI ran this routing on one of their new 73G's and it had good loads r
108 Mariner : Thanks for all that. So - what's the story now, now just for RDU but also for SJC? If (just as an example) another airline started RDU-SJC, would the
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