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763 Moscow To LA?!?  
User currently offlineNitepilot79 From Turkey, joined May 2008, 275 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7977 times:

I was looking at the UA 752 and the Aeroflot 763 picture on the top of the homepage and read that the 763 left from Moscow! I thought JFK was the furthest they fly those birds non-stop. Kinda took me by surprise considering the distance.


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User currently offlineShamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1601 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7819 times:

I think SU many well have dropped LAX for the winter but there 767-300ER was a regular visitor to LAX.

User currently offlineJetBlast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7764 times:



Quoting Nitepilot79 (Thread starter):
I thought JFK was the furthest they fly those birds non-stop.

They fly them nonstop here to IAD also, not like that's a whole lot farther than JFK though.



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7703 times:

SU flies to LAX with the 763ER four times a week. Has been for many many years now  Smile It's actually a very nice flight.

Scheduled time SVO-LAX: 12 hrs 55 min
Scheduled time LAX-SVO: 12 hrs 50 min

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 822 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7688 times:

SVO (55°58'22"N 37°24'53"E) JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) 309° (NW) 4051 nm
SVO (55°58'22"N 37°24'53"E) IAD (38°56'51"N 77°27'36"W) 311° (NW) 4229 nm
SVO (55°58'22"N 37°24'53"E) LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'26"W) 340° (N) 5281 nm


767-300ER Max Range @ MTOW: 5,975 nmi


(According to great circle mapper & wikipedia.)


User currently offlineEYKD From Russia, joined Dec 2006, 200 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7230 times:



Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 3):
It's actually a very nice flight.

Yep, and the most painful for SU. As new Aeroflot's CEO Savelyev claims SVO-LAX is the most loss-making route amongst all SU routes.


User currently offlineJolau1701 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7169 times:

Once apon a time, SU had a SVO - SEA (I think) - SFO flight with a 767. Can't remember if it was a 767-200 or 767-300.

I often worked in their particular bagroom once apon a time. :p

[Edited 2009-11-11 00:37:44 by jolau1701]

User currently offlineMetsfan1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6918 times:

Just as an aside. Does anyone know when SU will start placing their new 332's on the North American routes like LAX, JFK, and IAD?. I would imagine they have superior economics for the route as well as having the company's latest in-flight seat offerings and IFE.

User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2990 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6899 times:

does this flight fly close to the polar circle (and therefore avoid transatlantic flying)?

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3000 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6899 times:



Quoting Metsfan1 (Reply 7):
Does anyone know when SU will start placing their new 332's on the North American routes like LAX, JFK, and IAD?

I believe SVO-JFK goes 332 on 23 Nov.



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3000 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6868 times:



Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 8):
does this flight fly close to the polar circle (and therefore avoid transatlantic flying)?

Yes: http://bit.ly/3iL8Z1



Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6758 times:



Quoting EYKD (Reply 5):
Yep, and the most painful for SU. As new Aeroflot's CEO Savelyev claims SVO-LAX is the most loss-making route amongst all SU routes.

Why is that?? Is there just not enough premium traffic on this route, or are LFs too low to make a profit?? On a side note, that's a long flight on the 763ER. One of the longest no doubt.



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User currently offlineCmk10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6637 times:

Don't forget, AA and UA used to fly CDG-LAX on 767-300s and that route at 5,669 miles is barely shorter than SVO-LAX.


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User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1603 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5920 times:

Savelyev, CEO of Aeroflot, really called this flight "the least profitable" of all SU flights.
Declarations of this new crisis manager are quite rough.
Reasons of poor flight's performance are obvious: not enough revenue pax, light cargo load.
And guess that the the overall problem of Aeroflot is SVO airport itself. Or rather traffic collapse of Moscow.
Though new terminal will make transfer easy - but reaching the airport is quite a task.
Until payroad is biult, Aeroflot and all SkyTeam companies will be in a poor position compared to DME airport. Where AA flies to ORD and UA to IAD.
Nobody is going to quit SVO-LAX nevertheless.


User currently offlineShurik74 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5830 times:



Quoting Jolau1701 (Reply 6):
{Once apon a time, SU had a SVO - SEA (I think) - SFO flight with a 767. Can't remember if it was a 767-200 or 767-300.}

SU used to fly direct SVO-SEA & SVO-SFO, than they changed it to SVO-SEA-SFO and back. Used 777-200 back then, don't carry them anymore

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Shurik
User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4788 times:
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Quoting Metsfan1 (Reply 7):
Just as an aside. Does anyone know when SU will start placing their new 332's on the North American routes like LAX, JFK, and IAD?. I would imagine they have superior economics for the route as well as having the company's latest in-flight seat offerings and IFE.

SU had plans to fly the 332 to LAX but shelved that. The problem is they may fill their 763s full of passengers, it's the fares that create low yields.

Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 13):
Until payroad is biult, Aeroflot and all SkyTeam companies will be in a poor position compared to DME airport. Where AA flies to ORD and UA to IAD.
Nobody is going to quit SVO-LAX nevertheless.

AA is not bringing back ORD-DME. It was a huge loser for them.


User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4651 times:



Quoting Jolau1701 (Reply 6):
Once apon a time, SU had a SVO - SEA (I think) - SFO flight with a 767. Can't remember if it was a 767-200 or 767-300.

It was a 777-200.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineJolau1701 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4205 times:



Quoting Shurik74 (Reply 14):
SU used to fly direct SVO-SEA & SVO-SFO, than they changed it to SVO-SEA-SFO and back. Used 777-200 back then, don't carry them anymore

I distinctly believe they also used 767s. I remember the LD containers. I can't remember the name of them but they were the ones used on 767s.


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4109 times:
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Quoting Jolau1701 (Reply 17):
I distinctly believe they also used 767s. I remember the LD containers. I can't remember the name of them but they were the ones used on 767s.

Yes, and I believe it was the -300 the times I saw it come thru. I used to enjoy it when SU served both SVO and Siberia from SEA. Interesting to see them cruising around.



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User currently offlineShurik74 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3444 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 18):
Yes, and I believe it was the -300 the times I saw it come thru. I used to enjoy it when SU served both SVO and Siberia from SEA. Interesting to see them cruising around

What did you mean by served Siberia from SEA? Only SU fly to USA from SVO...

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Shurik
User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9666 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3423 times:



Quoting Jolau1701 (Reply 6):
Once apon a time, SU had a SVO - SEA (I think) - SFO flight with a 767. Can't remember if it was a 767-200 or 767-300.

That route has been a IL-86 then IL-96 and finally switched between 777 and 767. I remember seeing the old Russian Quadjets when I was a kid in SEA. Aeroflot also holds a unique distinction as the airline that almost took out the control tower as it was only a few hundred feet from it during a go around in fog.



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3000 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3408 times:



Quoting Shurik74 (Reply 19):
What did you mean by served Siberia from SEA? Only SU fly to USA from SVO...

I believe they flew from VVO to SEA.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6867 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3379 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 20):
Quoting Jolau1701 (Reply 6):
Once apon a time, SU had a SVO - SEA (I think) - SFO flight with a 767. Can't remember if it was a 767-200 or 767-300.

That route has been a IL-86 then IL-96 and finally switched between 777 and 767.

Anybody got a schedule showing Il-86s at SFO?


User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3362 times:



Quoting Shurik74 (Reply 19):
What did you mean by served Siberia from SEA? Only SU fly to USA from SVO...



Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 21):
I believe they flew from VVO to SEA.

I believe this flight was an IL-62 and was actually routed SFO-SEA-ANC-KHV-VVO...

'902



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

I'm pretty sure SFO will return at some point. SFO & SEA were relatively full flights. When new planes come in, the flight just might reappear.

Aeroflot777


25 LACA773 : Is there any chance SU will go ahead and place the 332s on their LAX flight eventually? Are the 763s going to receive updated cabins so a more consis
26 Aeroflot777 : I'm not too sure they'd send the 332s over there. The 767s are supposed to be phased out. The 330s are a temporary long-haul aircraft SU has leased.
27 Addd : IIRC, I read somewhere that it is the world's longest scheduled B767 route. Agree - not likely. I am also not sure the future of SVO-LAX route is all
28 Victrola : Why? What is the point of running a loss making flight?
29 KL911 : Still doesn't say anything about yields though. Full can also mean making a huge loss. All depends on the fares.
30 Brianhames : I miss seeing Aeroflot in SEA, even if they did try to land on International Blvd. from time to time.
31 Addd : Hope of turning it around, for example. I do not think it will happen, but Savelyev must think otherwise. I would argue SFO could do better than LAX
32 Victrola : I'm not sure why you would expect more business traffic on SFO than LAX. Greater Los Angeles has a much larger economy than the Bay Area.
33 Thenoflyzone : I doubt the Il-86. It has a 5,000 km range, barely enough to cross the Atlantic. Maybe it was the Il-62. Thenoflyzone
34 Aeroflot777 : Agreed. The IL-86 never made a SFO appearance, I believe. However, the IL-62 for SURE has in the past. Aeroflot777
35 LACA773 : Thanks for the information, Aeroflot777. I apreciate it. What is the longest Russian domestic flight?
36 Thenoflyzone : SVO-PKC 6,765km's operated by SU. PKC is Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky Airport. Thenoflyzone
37 Aeroflot777 : Don't know distances off the top of my head, but here is time info from a previous thread not too long ago: Moscow - Khabarovsk is scheduled at 7 hrs
38 Thenoflyzone : Could be, but distance wise, it is not. SVO-VVO is 6,423km's. Thenoflyzone
39 Aeroflot777 : Thanks for pulling up the distances. Yeah, I was merely talking time-wise. Aeroflot777
40 Severnaya : XF's flight VVO-LED is even longer timewise at 9:45 hours.
41 Gemuser : Depends on what you mean by "distance". The distances you quoted are great circle distance, which aircraft don't fly, for various reasons. One of whi
42 MAH4546 : Though obviously it doesn't do better, considering SFO was discontinued and LAX - while a weak performer - continues. I truly doubt there is more SFO
43 EYKD : There are two elements in profit equation, revenue and expenses. To make profit an airline shall keep revenue up and expenses down. As far as I know
44 Aeroflot777 : ... There was a reason SFO was discontinued. I had a few friends working for SU in SFO. The flight was a 777 usually going out full. Especially durin
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