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United Pilot Arrested Drunk At LHR  
User currently offlinePlateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15570 times:

Just seen on MSNBC:

United pilot was acting 'drunk' at Heathrow. London police were called and took him in for a BAC test. They arrested him and released waiting for blood tests..

He has been suspended by United.


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User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15548 times:

Story just being released here..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8353768.stm

Litte more being said at this time.



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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15449 times:

Didn't this just happen about a year ago with United out of LHR?

User currently offlinePlateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15308 times:

Found out a little more:

Flight was UA949 and was canceled
124 passengers, 11 crew
Pilot was 51 year old...arrested on suspicion of being drunk by Scotland Yard



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User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1010 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 15291 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 2):
Didn't this just happen about a year ago with United out of LHR?

I think the incident you are referring to was with an AC pilot.


User currently offlineXzavierrsa From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 15107 times:

Hasn't anybody learned yet? You don't mess with LHR. There have been many AA/UA/CO/AC all having pilots show up drunk. All US crews go threw a Employee only check point away from the terminal. People Just don't learn. Look at SAA two weeks later your going to bring more drugs than the previous time?

User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2781 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 15054 times:



Quoting Xzavierrsa (Reply 5):
Hasn't anybody learned yet? You don't mess with LHR. There have been many AA/UA/CO/AC all having pilots show up drunk. All US crews go threw a Employee only check point away from the terminal. People Just don't learn. Look at SAA two weeks later your going to bring more drugs than the previous time?

Maybe pilots should learn not to get drunk before flying...I think learning not to mess with LHR is missing the point...good for LHR for being so strict!


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 15027 times:

Let's see what the results show.. Wasn't there recently an incident where a pilot was accused of being drunk, and it turned out just to be Listerine in his system? It might have been at LHR.

-A



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User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 15023 times:

must be the awesome bars in the UK  Smile))


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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3076 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14996 times:



Quoting Xzavierrsa (Reply 5):
There have been many AA/UA/CO/AC all having pilots show up drunk.

Many??? I don't recall this happening to an AC pilot more than once.



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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3073 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14984 times:
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Quoting Xzavierrsa (Reply 5):
Hasn't anybody learned yet? You don't mess with LHR. There have been many AA/UA/CO/AC all having pilots show up drunk. All US crews go threw a Employee only check point away from the terminal. People Just don't learn. Look at SAA two weeks later your going to bring more drugs than the previous time?

Whoa, back up there.

To quote the BBC report:

""He was reported to police by United Airlines staff, said a BAA Heathrow spokesman.
A United Airlines spokeswoman said: "Safety is our highest priority and the pilot has been removed from service while we are cooperating with authorities and conducting a full investigation.
"United Airlines' alcohol policy is amongst the strictest in the industry and we have no tolerance for violation of this well-established policy."

Rgds



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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1301 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14958 times:

Im afraid that I am just never going to understand these incidents. A pilot has to work so hard and sacrifice so much to obtain and maintain their position. To then go out and just throw it all away on a night of partying? Don't get me wrong, I love my partying but it isn't all that hard to separate from flying. Who the hell wants to cross the Atlantic westbound in the daytime with a hangover anyway??? Kudos to LHR. If a person can't manage themselves any better than that, I certainly don't want them in my cockpit.

User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2177 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14855 times:



Quoting Flaps (Reply 11):
If a person can't manage themselves any better than that, I certainly don't want them in my cockpit.

Pilots are human..with all the faults that come with it...though some ex wives may say sub-human. Don't want a human in the cockpit? Automate it because computers never have a bad day...right?

First off he never operated the aircraft...procedures in place worked...and it is all suspicion in the second place...no tests...no proof...just allegations. Seems folks here have convicted and hung him already.


User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3675 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 14702 times:



Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 7):
Let's see what the results show.. Wasn't there recently an incident where a pilot was accused of being drunk, and it turned out just to be Listerine in his system?

Never heard of someone who visibly *acted* drunk from an incidental ingestion of Listerine...

But you certainly could get drunk off Listerine if you drank it, so the fact that it was "just" Listerine in his system is not automatically a valid excuse anyway. This is one of several reasons why you are not supposed to swallow mouthwash.



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User currently offlineFlyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14426 times:

Glad to see its guilty until proven innocent on here as usual

AA ORD


User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1451 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13947 times:

Seems like this happens at LHR a lot. Please don't jump into conclusions though, this happened to a VS pilot once and people went on and on about it here on A.net calling him all kind of names but it turned out he was completely innocent and not drunk at all.


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User currently onlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5755 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13730 times:



Quoting Flaps (Reply 11):
A pilot has to work so hard and sacrifice so much to obtain and maintain their position. To then go out and just throw it all away on a night of partying?

The mind of an alcoholic does not care about any consequences that may arise from supporting its addiction. I've personally seen people literally throw away their entire life's work or potential because of alcohol, the youngest being 23 and the oldest being around 60.



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User currently offlineDarthluke12694 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13714 times:

When are the pilots ever going to learn? They should know that their is no way they will be able to fly a plane drunk.

It is amazing pilots spend all of the time and money to become a pilot and they blow it all away by becoming drunk.

IF it turns out that he was drunk, good job for UA for suspending him.


User currently offlineCakentennis From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 13134 times:

I suppose this video would be relevant for this topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgztUv-5MjU


User currently offlineEK345 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12595 times:

If his BAC is over the limit, then he should be fired ASAP.

Thanks,
EK345



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13552 posts, RR: 100
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12562 times:
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Quoting United787 (Reply 6):
I think learning not to mess with LHR is missing the point...good for LHR for being so strict!

Good for the airport being strict. Even better if it was UA crew turning him in. Best is letting the legal system handle the individual accused at this point.

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 7):
Let's see what the results show..

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But it is worthwhile to bring up the thread periodically. How do you know if a pilot drinks? They're a pilot!  drunk 

Ummm... that's an old pilot joke, by the way.

Quoting Flyfree727 (Reply 14):
Glad to see its guilty until proven innocent on here as usual

I have full faith in British law.

We have strict rules in flight testing with drinking. Test engineers could be fired for drinking too close to a shift. If you friends do not turn you in and your caught... anyone who knew you were drunk is fired. So I fully applaud strict drinking rules around flying.

Not flying? That is your own business, as long as you're a nice drunk.  Wink It has been too many years since I was 'pissed' in London.  spit 

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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6137 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12455 times:



Quoting EK345 (Reply 19):
If his BAC is over the limit, then he should be fired ASAP.

The limit is 0.00 as far as I know and I think that is the penalty that UA applies in this situation, but as others have said an investigation is in order before deciding on what to do with him.



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User currently offline413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12416 times:

Way to jump to conclusions, everybody! The majority of the time it is the staff that guesses wrong and the pilot is eventually found to have done nothing wrong

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21882 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12366 times:



Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 12):
Pilots are human..with all the faults that come with it...

I can accept honest error. I can't accept the willful violation of alcohol regulations (if that is indeed what this pilot did).

Quoting United1 (Reply 21):
The limit is 0.00 as far as I know

The FAA limit is 0.04 IIRC, but UA may have a stricter policy.

-Mir



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User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6618 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12227 times:
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Quoting Flaps (Reply 11):
Im afraid that I am just never going to understand these incidents. A pilot has to work so hard and sacrifice so much to obtain and maintain their position. To then go out and just throw it all away on a night of partying?

This is a rather harsh and ignorant statement. The kind of substance abuse problems shown by this pilot have nothing to do with a desire for college style partying. In fact, I doubt it very much it has anything to do with fun and joy. This guy, if guilty, deserves treatment and compassion. He is ill.


25 Zeke : I think that may have been out of Manchaester, and it was due to the breath test giving a false positive as a result of the pilot being on the Atkins
26 Nws2002 : First off, usual disclaimer, we don't know for sure that the pilot is intoxicated. There have been cases where flight attendants, ground staff, and ev
27 Slinky09 : Not many people at 0.05 are raging drunks ... So automatically, guilty ... Not just tipsy, but a raging alcoholic ... Now he's got worse, all in the
28 BoeingVista : First off departure was said to be immminent, PAX were boarded and presumably he was well into pre flight checks so he was at work and operating a fl
29 Imag : is this a rather light load or just normal???
30 Post contains links Jamesontheroad : More from the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8353865.stm
31 Noelg : Awwwwwww......Poor Mr Pilot. I'm sure we'd all be saying that when his aircraft and 140 passengers, including women and children, were in pieces in a
32 RB211LTN : Quote "Please don't jump into conclusions though, this happened to a VS pilot once and people went on and on about it here on A.net calling him all ki
33 Flynlr : kinda like flying while a jihadest but worse
34 Curlyheadboy : I have a question on this: What if a pilot gets drunk and reports his mistake to the company before showing up for the flight? Does he get fired anyw
35 Kaiarahi : And your source is?
36 Dispatchguy : As long as he hasnt reported for duty, and just calls sick, he is ok. If he reported sick under 4 hours prior to show time, he loses the pay value of
37 LTBEWR : One has to wonder how many pilots around the world regularly don't get caught before getting on their flight for being drunk by modern standards. We a
38 Threepoint : See post #30.
39 Kaiarahi : Duhhh - thanks.
40 Post contains links Beansy57 : The pilot was charged with the offence and released on bail and will appear at Uxbridge Magistrates' Court in Middlesex on November 20. Info came via
41 LTC8K6 : And still appear intoxicated the next day to the point where people report it?
42 TravelExec : For a moment I thought I was the only one who found the load factor to be the most shocking thing in the story...
43 MarkBoston : Is United's 12 hour "Bottle to Throttle" rule for drinking the norm for major airlines? What is meant by "to Throttle"? The scheduled take off time? T
44 Huxrules : I feel for the guy. He was probably just hungover. Should have just called in sick.
45 Mir : I'd tend to say no, since you want to avoid incentives for pilots to try and fly drunk without getting caught. If there's a history of it, then that
46 DelawareUSA : Substance abuse is a medical condition. Yes he should not have tried to work, but assuming he is an addict, the bottle talks for you. May he find help
47 Lightsaber : Pretty standard. Again, I'll let the British legal system handle this one pilot's guilt or innocence. But in general, the rules are strict for a reas
48 Post contains links Plateman : He has been identified now: The pilot, Erwin Washington, was subsequently arrested on suspicion of violating alcohol limits, and later took a blood te
49 Richierich : Oh come on, that's a little much there, Mr. WorstCase Scenario... ! Obviously there is no excuse and zero tolerance for pilots who have been drinking
50 YULWinterSkies : It cleraly happens more at LHR because it is a busier airport than many others. No thanks. Suspended probably is fair, fired is harsh, without knowin
51 Kaiarahi : Aeroflot-Nord in September, 2008 - 735 flying from Moscow to Perm. Captain was drunk, F/O unable to read operating manuals (in English).
52 B777fan : Close, but 12 hours would be a United specific rule. Here is part of the US Reg Sec. 91.17 Alcohol or drugs. (a) No person may act or attempt to act
53 Evomutant : The ABC article says the British limit is 0.02. Not that it really matters much, but anyone know which is right?
54 Sebring : There is something unusual happenng at LHR. These kinds of arrests aren't happening at other large airports. Besides that VS pilot who was exonerated
55 Plateman : I know thats by accident but that quote was not mine
56 Lightsaber : I'm sure most other airlines. It might not be the FAA rule, but it is widely followed in aerospace. Our organization uses the 12 hour rule, no except
57 IADCA : Flight was a 767, which in the config I rode in on to LHR (very late Tuesday - if this plane was a RON it might even have been the same airframe) onl
58 Kalvado : As far as I remember, identifying BAC in dead bodies after crash isn't that straightforward. Wasn't there a case of AC crash when initially claim of
59 Bjcc : Sebring I don't think anyone arrested at Heathrow, and then Charged, has been exonorated. There have been a number who have been arrested, quite prope
60 UnitedFA07 : Yes this did happen last year last October, FO of a 747 SFO based crew leaving LHR. Leaving 4-5 hours late the crew went illegal and diverted to JFK
61 Kaiarahi : The "quote" button has been playing up - that was RichieRich.
62 Kaiarahi : It's certainly what was drummed into me in flight school. And then in the NZ Air Force, we were shown videos of differentiated reaction with minute q
63 Bartond : Exactly what I was thinking when reading through all of the junk above it. I thought most UA flights in to LHR (from SFO, LAX, ORD, and IAD) would al
64 YXwatcherMKE : I have no problem with the UA pilot being removed from the plane. The policy by UA is very clear and if the pilot fails to comply to it and a fellow U
65 Post contains links Maxpower1954 : This is the only alcohol related airline crash I can think of - a JAL DC-8 cargo flight in ANC, 1977. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?i
66 Post contains links Bmacleod : Correct. There has only been one (at least reported) incident of a drunk AC pilot and he didn't even get to board his aircraft... http://www.dailymai
67 Post contains links Coyoteguy : Nice shot of a TWA machine in the first few seconds of this 'file video' AP used in their story on this situation: http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flig
68 B777fan : Yep, I misread the numbers from my source, your number is correct for blood level. Not disputing that. I should have said something like many flight
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