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Emirates May Buy More Aircrafts! H1 Profits Up!  
User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9884 times:

Emirates has announced that they are looking into the option of buying more Aircrafts after their H1 Profits Climbed by 165%

Dubai Air Show maybe?

Here are the links:

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/57315...k-to-buy-more-planes-amid-downturn

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/57264...irates-posts-165-rise-in-h1-profit

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User currently onlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3323 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9706 times:

Maybe they first could firm their 330-300 orders?

User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2694 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9692 times:

Thanks very much. Interesting links and something I haven't heard before:

Quote:
"Some of our route expansion plans will be impacted due to a further delay in the delivery of A380s. We wanted to put them back on the New York route, but that will be delayed by at least six months," he said at the World Travel Market.

So, EK's A380 are coming back to New York in the not too distant future.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9691 times:

Wikipedia has the current and future fleet of EK as

current

29 A332
8 A343
10 A345
5 A388
19 772
56 773


to be delviered

50 A359
20 A3510
53 A388
27 773
10 748F

so they already got over 150 planes to be delivered! I wonder if any thinkd that Clark is serious here or is just keeping himself in the spot light?


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9649 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
19 772
56 773

I think the 19 772 refers to 3 772As, the 6 772ERs and the 12 773As.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9607 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 4):
the 12 773As.

or did you want to mean 10 77Ls...........


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9597 times:

As for new planes, well I'd expect A333s ASAP for them, and possibly a few A332Fs.

Ten more 77Ls to replace the A345s?

Or a long shot - how about some A321s or 739ERs for the regional lo-density stuff, and to open the thinner regional stuff like Kabul, Sharm, Aqaba, Izmir, Tabriz, Tblisi, Baghdad, Dushanbe etc.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9580 times:

Good to see them make a USD 205M profit in the first half of the year. In a good aviation year I'm sure an airline their size could clear $1B in profits.


oh boy!!!
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9579 times:



Quoting AirIndia (Reply 5):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 4):
the 12 773As.

or did you want to mean 10 77Ls...........

Of course sorry - senior moment.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9489 times:



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 1):
Maybe they first could firm their 330-300 orders?

At that glory moment, in Hamburg on 28 July 2008, EK signed an LoI for 30 A350 as well as 30 A333.
Both orders yet to be firm.



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9169 times:

Clark has already declared some weeks ago he is looking at more A350-1000 and (or) 777-300ER NG if Boeing launch this programm.

User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9109 times:

Cloud 9 for me would be a press conference at DXB 2009 stating that EK is converting 30 out of the 53 remaining frames from A388 to A389 and thus launching that program.

OK, now back to reality...



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User currently offlineCerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 727 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9078 times:

Firming up the A330s and A350s most likely if anything. The planets have to align for there to be a small add-on A380 order. A350-1000 can wait...

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
how about some A321s or 739ERs for the regional lo-density stuff

Narrowbodies for EK? Now that is news! Big grin


User currently offlineAffirmative From France, joined Jul 2009, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8858 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Or a long shot - how about some A321s or 739ERs for the regional lo-density stuff, and to open the thinner regional stuff like Kabul, Sharm, Aqaba, Izmir, Tabriz, Tblisi, Baghdad, Dushanbe etc.

Emirates is a widebody only operator.. They wouldn't be caught dead with small planes like that. Wouldn't look right docked to the terminal..  Wink And besides that they have FlyDubai for that petty stuff..  flamed 

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 11):
Cloud 9 for me would be a press conference at DXB 2009 stating that EK is converting 30 out of the 53 remaining frames from A388 to A389 and thus launching that program.

I'm just gonna join you on that cloud.. With the only difference being that the order would be an add-on of 15-20 frames instead of a conversion..

But looking at the pissing contest between EK, EY and QR I wouldn't be all that surprised if Airbus would present the finalized A389 at Dubai airshow with a LOI from any of those three..

Ok, I'm gonna wake up now..

Cheers!



I love the smell of Jet-A1 in the morning...
User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8832 times:



Quoting Affirmative (Reply 13):
I'm just gonna join you on that cloud.. With the only difference being that the order would be an add-on of 15-20 frames instead of a conversion..

Well Clark did say a while ago that they envisaged a final fleet size of up to 100 (!!!!!) A380s in EK colours.


User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8702 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 14):
Well Clark did say a while ago that they envisaged a final fleet size of up to 100 (!!!!!) A380s in EK colours.

Spot on Scouseflyer, I remember something like that a while back..now, I dont's know what he was smoking at the time, but I want some of it...  duck 

Quoting Affirmative (Reply 13):
the order would be an add-on of 15-20 frames instead of a conversion.

Perfectly reasonable opinion...  old 



A310, A332, B732, B738, B742, B743, B773, B77W, DC-10, ATR42, TU-134, TU-154, IL-62, MI-8, E190, A320, C172
User currently offlineTISTPAA727 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 324 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8658 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
to be delviered

50 A359
20 A3510
53 A388
27 773
10 748F

Are the 70 A35X confirmed and the 30 mentioned elsewhere in the thread in addition?

If I am correct, isn't EK like SQ in that they don't keep frames around that long? So, by ordering now they could be replacing even more of their fleet as opposed to pure growth.



Don't sweat the little things.
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12409 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8594 times:



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 1):
Maybe they first could firm their 330-300 orders?

;

My thoughts exactly; after all, what is the point of having a DXB air show (which starts on Sunday) if it isn't used by airlines in the region to announce orders. It's now a trade only show (no public days), so they need to make sure that manufacturers are attracted by big deals.

Sure, Clark talks about an order in the future, but I'd expect to see an order for 333s confirmed next week (possibly A350-1000s as well). I don't see the A389 happening this time, but I do see EK being the launch customer.


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8566 times:

Quoting TISTPAA727 (Reply 16):
Are the 70 A35X confirmed and the 30 mentioned elsewhere in the thread in addition?

Yes, the 30 will increase EK's order to 100 firm A350!!!!  Wow!

The contract for the first 70 was signed on Nov 11, 2007, at Dubai Air Show.

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...s/07_11_11_emirates_a380_a350.html

[Edited 2009-11-11 06:06:59]


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User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7183 times:

Looks like EK is doing really well.
I am hunting for deals MOW - SIN for January.
A year ago most of best deals were on EK.
This time flight MOW-SIN with 1 stop is offered by a dozen of airlines, starting from Air China, LH via FRA , Air Swiss via Zurich, BA-Quantas via LHR, Air France, KLM, many others.

DME-DXB-SIN is offered $300.00 more than EU carriers.
Things are changing. And Clark obviously has arguments.


User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1003 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5745 times:



Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 19):
Looks like EK is doing really well.
I am hunting for deals MOW - SIN for January.
A year ago most of best deals were on EK.

Interesting you mention that! It is similar here for trans-Tasman flights. Except for a special recently, EK is often among the most expensive carriers, especially on the A340-500 (which I want to fly)....

Cheers
micha


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6407 posts, RR: 38
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5677 times:



Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 20):
EK is often among the most expensive carriers, especially on the A340-500 (which I want to fly)....

I'd say they're about even, they match NZ quite well and sometimes QF is a bit more expensive than both of them.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineQ120 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5404 times:

“The fleet order we have in place is probably not as big as it needs to be.”

so why order more planes?

 boggled 



However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results
User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4783 times:

Success of EK (and SQ and some others) as business scheme - and financial results of those businesses in this terrible year give grounds for such a statement- success - should be considered seriously in a separate thread.

How could it possibly happen that airlines based exclusively on extremely competative international routes have been succeeding even in severe economic times WHILE the seemigly same scheme used decades ago by PanAm and more recently by Swissair and Sabena led those to disaster and losing amazing brands?

It can't be explained by simple: lower salary, no unions, subsidies, etc.
Do you remember time when VS project was a common joke stuff for all?

At the same time well-established airlines with balanced domestic/international business have been surviving.

There is a lot we should consider in deapth, without prejudice.
Then we possibly would be able to understand what Mr. Clark said and what he meant?


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4200 times:

Emirates just declared before the Dubai Air Show they want more A380s.More than the 58 they already have in order.
Their goal is 100.


25 PlaneAdmirer : Some day the entire or a large portion of the US widebody airfleet is going to be comprised of ex Emirates aircraft. Just a shot in the dark.
26 AirIndia : You can surely expect QR and EY to announce orders at the Dubai Air Show. QR is trying to make a big statement here in DXB. The main entrance service
27 Jetfuel : Maybe they should wait until the have PAID IN FULL for the ones they already have on order. I think people forget about the huge costs involved here
28 Hamad : wouldnt be surprised if that happened !
29 MarcoPoloWorld : What the heck is up with Airbus and the A380 production? They've got their main customer screaming for planes to be delivered (in the midst of a downt
30 777ER : Are you sure, cause I've found EK to be amongst the cheapest, if not the cheapest on the Tasman. I've received many e-mails from a travel agent with
31 Lightsaber : It amuses me to think EK could be ordering more aircraft this year. The one order I would like to see is EK replacing quite a bit of their fleet with
32 PM : I think you've maybe misread the quote. "The fleet order ... not as big as it needs to be" = "we need to order more!"
33 Post contains images Astuteman : I'm pretty sure that's not correct. EK actually deferred a couple of deliveries this year, and are asking for 10 next year, which they'll get. TC has
34 CHRISBA777ER : Given how poor the air cargo markets are right now, and the fact that the above routes I mentioned are probably not very cargo heavy, if ever there w
35 Kaitak : i think you need a trade card of some kind - you could probably set up your own consultancy firm just for the event, but I think it has to be verifie
36 Post contains links Jayeshrulz : What will Emirates do ordering more A/C? they are already delaying the A380's!! http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/...iness-ml-dubai-airbus_7109867.h
37 PM : All that means is they don't want more lift in the near term but they want even more a bit further down the road. Makes sense to me. Welcome!
38 Kaitak : I don't think that the current delays are EK's intention; indeed, EK is already talking about buying aircraft from airlines which are currently delay
39 Someone83 : " target=_blank>http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/....html Well, the question is whether it is Airbus or Emirates who's delaying them
40 Airlittoral : Yep, especially in the current context in Dubai, where tens of $ billion are still due to foreign contractors in the construction sector, the metro,
41 Kaitak : But do airlines ever pay in full for aircraft they have, before they acquire them; it's an investment; financing is arranged, just like one would hav
42 Airlittoral : Hm...technically I agree but it remains an item on a balance sheet, a liability. It's with such reasoning that the last financial crisis began. I agr
43 Cosmofly : Does anyone know if the 77W or the A388 is more profitable for EK at the moment?
44 Lightsaber : I'm very curious to know if any of the mid-east airlines will place an order at the Dubai airshow! After thinking about this a bit, EK really needs an
45 Gr8Circle : I thought SQ declared a loss recently...?
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