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Arik Air Launches New York (JFK) On Nov 29  
User currently offlineAsoRock From Bahrain, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 18248 times:

At last! Arik Air announces the launch of new Lagos - New York (JFK) - Lagos, operating initially at three (3) weekly flights with Airbus A340-500 equipment.

These flights will be the first to be operated by a Nigerian airline since 10 years ago. Here's the airline's press release:

http://www.arikair.com/arikair/racin...satlantic-route&id_sessionlangue=2


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Next on the airline's wish list is Houston (IAH), but other cities mentioned in long term plans include Washington, Atlanta, Chicago.

[Edited 2009-11-11 03:56:40]

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User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 18191 times:

They announced this VERY late considering the start state, so loads will be probably be very weak at first. However, I'm sure they will pick up shortly after. I can't wait to see their beautiful A345s (and hopefully 77Ws someday) here in the U.S.!

User currently offlineAlibo5NGN From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 773 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 18124 times:
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Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 1):
They announced this VERY late considering the start state, so loads will be probably be very weak at first.

I disagree. December is the peak travel period for Nigerians living in the US. The extra capacity provided by Arik Air will be snapped up immediately especially by Travel Agents representing last minute fliers. I actually think that Arik is acting conservatively. This should be a daily flight right from the start and not 3x a week.

I was informed by my sources at Arik Air that they got all the necessary DOT/FAA approvals last Friday.



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User currently offlineAsoRock From Bahrain, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 18071 times:



Quoting Alibo5NGN (Reply 2):
This should be a daily flight right from the start and not 3x a week.

Agreed. But if you take a close look at flight times, a daily LOS-JFK-LOS rotation requires more than 1 A340 ! I guess for now this will have to do, until their 3rd A340 is delivered. Following which a daily JFK + 2/3 weekly flights to another new destination will be likely.


User currently offlineSsublyme From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17966 times:



Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 1):
They announced this VERY late considering the start state

December shouldnt be an issue as this is peak period, atleast travelling to Nigeria. After the holiday's people will be returning back to the U.S.

Quoting AsoRock (Reply 3):
But if you take a close look at flight times, a daily LOS-JFK-LOS rotation requires more than 1 A340

I thinik regardless of the flight times, they would need atleast 2 planes to perform a daily 12 - 13hr trip. How/When do they plan to make it a daily? The 3rd A340 will be used for this route, ad the A330 they also plan on picking up will be for ABV - LHR. Not sure of the scheduling, but will the 3 A340's suffice for daily LOS - LHR/JFK/JHB?


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8319 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17917 times:



Quoting AsoRock (Thread starter):
Next on the airline's wish list is Houston (IAH), but other cities mentioned in long term plans include Washington, Atlanta, Chicago.

Makes sense. After NY, Maryland, Texas and Atlanta represent the largest areas of Nigerian population in the US.


User currently offlineMogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17842 times:

wow that's the "business" class? looks comparable to most first-class suites

let's hope their service quality is also as good as their cabin product  Smile


User currently offlineAsoRock From Bahrain, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17794 times:



Quoting Ssublyme (Reply 4):
but will the 3 A340's suffice for daily LOS - LHR/JFK/JHB?

Actually, JNB service will switch to 737-800 equipment. I believe they delivered the 3rd aircraft recently ( named Sultan of Sokoto) and a 4th is likely soon (City of Calabar). We've been told these aircraft have PTVs including economy class seats, so a switch from A340 to 737-800 is not so bad. Their 737 will also fly with good loads as opposed to the A340 which has been flying daily to JNB.

Cheers


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8341 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 17636 times:
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Why is it on the ground at JFK for so long ? arives before 6 am and leaves late at night after most European flights have taken off.

User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6321 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17540 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 8):
Why is it on the ground at JFK for so long ? arives before 6 am and leaves late at night after most European flights have taken off.

Crew rest? Can they then use the same crew there and back, saving money?


User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17468 times:

Those are the best looking A345s out there to me. And the inside looks wonderful. Are these A345IGW planes they operate, or are they the baseline A345??


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User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17439 times:

Are they still pondering purchasing a few 747-8i's? This would be a great route fo that aircraft.

Desmond in ILM,



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User currently offlineAsoRock From Bahrain, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17429 times:



Quoting SW733 (Reply 9):

Crew rest? Can they then use the same crew there and back, saving money?

The cabin crew are all JFK-based. From the look of the flight schedule, it appears this Airbus A340 is arguably based in JFK. The operating carrier is HiFly so it is up to them.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4248 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17310 times:

I'm looking forward to seeing these planes at JFK!

Where did they source their A340-500s from? I'm assuming they weren't new, so who had them first and when were they delivered?



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User currently offlinePaulcaz From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17237 times:

Kingfisher I believe


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17446 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17229 times:



Quoting Ssublyme (Reply 4):
December shouldnt be an issue as this is peak period, atleast travelling to Nigeria. After the holiday's people will be returning back to the U.S.

Such a short booking window is tough on any longhaul route. Most people have already made their holiday plans so filling up the planes any time in the next few months, even if it's peak season, will be tough, especially for a carrier with zero US recognition.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17140 times:

This is great to see. Hopefully this means that UA will receive authority to serve LOS, and maybe DL can finally get those elusive JFK-LOS frequencies...


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User currently offlineMandingoBoy From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17122 times:

Typically Nigerians make their travel plans very late, so I will not be surprised if they have decent load despite the late start.
The only drawback for Arik will be there inability to truly get travellers outside of the NY market because they cannot provide connections at this time. Hopefully they might be able to join Star Alliance in the near future.
The prices from Nigeria are also very reasonable business class ($4516) and economy ($1750).


User currently offlineTonyban From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17088 times:



Quoting MogandoCI (Reply 6):
wow that's the "business" class? looks comparable to most first-class suites

Kingfisher interior originally. Only the outside was re-painted.


User currently offlineSsublyme From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17031 times:



Quoting MandingoBoy (Reply 17):
The only drawback for Arik will be there inability to truly get travellers outside of the NY market because they cannot provide connections at this time.

Interesting. I wonder if this is because of loads, or specifically to enable them launch JFK?

Won't be a problem. The traveller would just purchase a reasonably priced Jetblue or southwest ticket along with their Arik flight to Lagos. I don't think North American had any problems filling planes when they were ploughing the JFK - LOS route either.

Quoting AsoRock (Reply 7):
Actually, JNB service will switch to 737-800 equipment.



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
Such a short booking window is tough on any longhaul route.

Different market dynamics. The typical Nigerian traveller (especially leaving from Nigeria) books closer to departure date than alot of other places.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
even if it's peak season, will be tough, especially for a carrier with zero US recognition.

I wouldn't consider Nigeria a country the average joe just wakes up and travels to as tourism hasn't quite picked up there yet. Most people who travel to Nigeria have a reason to(Expats, business travelers both US & Nigerian, family), and most those people have have heard of Arik. Infact, domestically, Arik is one of the preferred airlines.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 16):
This is great to see. Hopefully this means that UA will receive authority to serve LOS, frequencies...

I don't think UA will have much issues getting authority. As mentioned, North American & Delta did serve LOS simultaneously for a short while before NA pulled all commercial service.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8341 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17014 times:
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Quoting Richierich (Reply 13):
Where did they source their A340-500s from? I'm assuming they weren't new, so who had them first and when were they delivered?

These were built for Kingfisher of India but never delivered so they are new with teh high end Kingfisher Business Class.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17446 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16946 times:



Quoting Ssublyme (Reply 19):
Different market dynamics. The typical Nigerian traveller (especially leaving from Nigeria) books closer to departure date than alot of other places.



Quoting MandingoBoy (Reply 17):
Typically Nigerians make their travel plans very late, so I will not be surprised if they have decent load despite the late start.

That may be true, although I highly doubt it. With the exception of DL's nonstop, if they do book that close in for peak holiday season, most of the Transatlantic inventory is gone leaving only high fares (is ~$1700 rt for DEC09 versus $900 a month later from NYC, for example)



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User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15035 times:

Million Dollar question is who wins in this USA-Lagos market? Arik, UA, or DL?

User currently offlineAsoRock From Bahrain, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 14474 times:



Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 22):
Million Dollar question is who wins in this USA-Lagos market? Arik, UA, or DL?

Arik has by far the best inflight product (seat pitch, video on demand entertainment, inflight bar for premium passengers, etc), however it is not starting with a daily flight and lacks the connectivity other American airlines offer. Time will tell.


User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13921 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 5):
Next on the airline's wish list is Houston (IAH),

Presumably there is good demand for business class seats from oil companies.


25 Airbazar : UA! Why? Because they have no competition from IAD whereas DL and Arik will go head-to-head against eachother. Also of relevance, they'll be able to
26 Drerx7 : aaaaaaaand an extremely large amount of VFR traffic. IAH-LOS will be a gold mine. Remember DL's Lagos flight number originates at IAH.
27 Aerofan : I just learned of this new entry to the NYC market. I have an interview with them tomorrow
28 Ssublyme : Good luck. What are you interviewing for?
29 ThegreatRDU : It's safe to say once they get the 3rd one....daily in the peak and 3x in the slow season...something of that nature That's what I believe, low-yield
30 Aerofan : Thanks much. I'm applying for one of their senior management positions
31 Post contains links Ssublyme : JFK - LOS is now bookable on www.arikair.com. Payment however is not yet available online. Will need to contact their US sales office: 877-900-ARIK (2
32 Behramjee : W3's fare should be $ 1900 and not $ 1754 because it offers a nonstop hassle free product where as everyone else is one stop and flying EK via DXB inv
33 EbbUK : Knocks the socks off any of the competition. I love their competitive pricing. It is a very clever strategy at this time economy wise. African routes
34 Airbazar : Except almost everyone else are established carriers who've had the seats for sale for a long time and what you're seeing are the most expensive "las
35 AirStairs : Does anyone have any insight as to how operating the A345 on this route might put Arik at a disadvantage? I am not extremely knowledgeable in aircraft
36 USFlyer MSP : Personally, I don't think their product will be successful beause their planes are too low density to support the fares but I wish them the best and
37 Airbazar : Keep in mind that their economy class is more like Y+ where all seats recline to 120 degrees and their business class is equivalent to most F class p
38 AF022 : Yes, but those are probably A346s with 100 more seats. That makes a big difference in achieving profitability.
39 Post contains links I380North : Arik appoints AVIAREPS as agent for NA: http://www.traveldailynews.com/pages...as-new-client-in-the-US-and-Canada Anybody heard about them before? I g
40 Alibo5NGN : You are right. Nigerians living in the US are wealthier and there are more of them than in the UK. Another major market for Arik Air is funeral relat
41 1stfl94 : Arik has 77Ws on order, so I'm guessing the 345s might go once they get enough Boeings. On the other hand they might keep them to expand.
42 Ssublyme : A Nigerian newspaper is reporting the US has suspended Arik’s flight to New York citing failure to supply the correct address on the cash back bond.
43 Post contains links I380North : There was a thread here about DL found gold in transporting HR (Human Remains) from Florida back to the home state. Interesting. I guess.... Arik kno
44 Airbazar : LH, AF, IB, AY, SK, TK, LX, all operate daily TATL A343's. Yes, their configs is not as premium as Arik's however, as has been stated above, the make
45 VV701 : Actual fares are very much dependent on how full the aircraft is at the time of booking. For example if you look at BA JFK-LOS you get the following
46 TomTurner : Thai and Emirates were using A345s into JFK previously. Singapore into EWR currently... Tom
47 Andaman : Actually AY operate A333 only over the pond, the leisure service excluded.[Edited 2009-11-28 06:07:11]
48 MandingoBoy : Did the Arik Air flight commence to New York? I checked flightaware and couldn't find any arrival from Lagos this morning.
49 MandingoBoy : My apologies. Airbus A340-500 (quad-jet) (H/A345/Q - track or photos) Origin Murtala Mohammed Int'l (DNMM / LOS - track or info) Destination John F Ke
50 Jfk777 : Welcome to America Arik Air, you add a certain style we haven't seen at JFK in a long time. Other then SAA, EgyptAir and RAM the USA doesn't see much
51 MaverickM11 : It may have the cultural advantage, but that pales in comparison to DL's network, distribution, and point of sale advantage. It's not so much a strat
52 Airbazar : DL may have those advantages in the US which is somewhat irrelevant for this route, but what about on the other side of the Atlantic? Keep in mind th
53 AF022 : ET flies regularly to IAD, of course. I have heard that they might increase to daily in Summer.
54 Airbazar : TACV also flies regularly to BOS. I can't recall if it's once or twice weekly but I think it's once.
55 Ssublyme : Arik has opened the following routes: Cotonou - Dakar - 2x Weekly Lagos - Dakar - (Non-stop, previous service was 1 stop via Freetown) Abuja - Accra -
56 Pellegrine : Exactly, they don't need to connect from Po'dink'ums Plains, USA through DL's mega hubs. And, many are used to getting tickets through non-internet m
57 MaverickM11 : DL has better US sales penetration and distribution than W3 could ever dream, whether it's ATL, or NYC, or any connections. I don't know what percent
58 Airbazar : It's irrelevant. DL's US sales penetration is only as good as the Internet connection in one's home, which makes it the same as for every other carri
59 Ssublyme : I think that goes without saying, likewise Arik in Nigeria. What the likelyhood of an agreement between Arik and CO on the IAH - EWR/JFK route to feed
60 Flighty : The person was referring to corporate traffic. If anybody thinks US corporations are going to put people on a Nigerian airline instead of Delta or UA
61 ThegreatRDU : That reminds me...how are their dedicated neighbor country branded ops going...
62 Airbazar : If that's the case then I agree. But it's not just executives who fly in business class to LOS. Far from it.
63 MaverickM11 : Not for ethnic markets like Nigeria; internet penetration is still fairly minimal. Travel agencies still can make or break a lot of ethnic markets, n
64 Luckyone : It is entirely relevant! First off, I can get a ticket on just about any airline through any travel agency if I ask. If I want to fly Lufthansa, they
65 Ssublyme : Somewhat naive comments. It already happens, most these majority US based companies operating in Nigeria already fly Nigerian carriers. Might be a ch
66 Post contains links and images Alibo5NGN : I like your theory. But it is only theory. Who do you think flies US Corporate traffic around Nigeria or within West Africa once they are dropped off
67 AF022 : I'm interested in this as well. Someone mentioned LOSNIM flights, but I don't see them anywhere.
68 Flighty : My "theory" is that when an American legacy is available on the same route as a Nigerianairline, the corporate insurance is going to strongly promote
69 MaverickM11 : No. It's a fact. DL will have the US corporate contracts to get them to/from LOS, obviously not within Nigeria. Chances are any additional points in
70 ER757 : Boy, wouldn't that be sweet???? I know they had an MOU floating around quite some time ago but nothing ever came of it.
71 Alibo5NGN : You guys talk as if US Corporate contracts and policies are set in stone. The US is a capitalist economy where optimal and efficient utilization of r
72 MaverickM11 : Of course not. But DL has corporate contracts, sales, and distribution networks in place to support an entire worldwide network centered on the US. W
73 Pellegrine : All this does not matter as much in the West African market. It is not the US. Arik Air will probably have better recognition in the ethnic community
74 MaverickM11 : In related news DL just signed an agreement with VK. No, but it is likely the majority of the corporate traffic. They have an advantage in any US poin
75 Airbazar : I think you're overestimating the volume of corporate traffic from the US to Nigeria. Have you ever been there? It's not a very pleasant destination
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