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Delta's Opinion On The 767-400ER Vs A330?  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6530 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 23307 times:

With Delta temporarily parking some A330s, I think this brings an interesting point about the 767-400ER vs A330 debate.

The fact is, Delta could have instead chosen to temporarily park some 767-400ERs rather than A330s. I think this says a lot on how the 764ER compares to the A330 with Delta. A fact that I have been trying to point out in the past, but is unfortunately challenged by Airbus fanboys, is that the A330 isn't necessarily better on any route than the 764ER. With Delta, the A333 could be too large for certain routes, while the A332 is better utilized on routes that need the range (such as Asia), as the 764ER has a lower fuel burn than the A332 on routes within its range.


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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 23262 times:

I am all for Boeing and love the 767. However I think once these A330s were being parked it was stated on here that they were being parked about the time major maintenance was due. So I believe one conclusion as to why the A330s were being parked was to delay some maintenance and cost. So I don’t know how much parking of A330s really says.

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 23166 times:

This is known they parked 1 A330 temp for the extreme slow season since it's heavy check is due, otherwise it wouldn't have been parked.


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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 23118 times:
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Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Delta could have instead chosen to temporarily park some 767-400ERs rather than A330s.

No, you're reading too much into it. It's simply a matter of aligning capacity with demand. The A330s being parked are the A333s, not the A332s. The A333s seat 298 while the A332s seat 243 versus the 764's 241-245. If Delta had chosen to park the A332s (which are similar in capacity to the 764) instead, then you MAY have a point. But it is the winter, and Delta does not want to go through another winter like last year with too much international capacity; there aren't too many transoceanic routes that can support a 298-seater in the off-season especially in this current economic climate.


User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 23097 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
With Delta temporarily parking some A330s, I think this brings an interesting point about the 767-400ER vs A330 debate.

The 764 and A330 are both fine airplanes. I haven't heard anything that remotely suggests that Delta or Continental aren't content with the 764. Like many, I really like the 764 and wish it had been more successful. Alas, timing and finances hindered that possibility, but I don't believe that takes away from the airplane at all.



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User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3297 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 23046 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 3):
No, you're reading too much into it.

Agreed. Don't infer ANYTHING from the decision to park the 330's during the winter. It's as much about deferring mtc as anything.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 22997 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 2):
This is known they parked 1 A330 temp for the extreme slow season since it's heavy check is due, otherwise it wouldn't have been parked.

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Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 5):
It's as much about deferring mtc as anything.

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If they didn't need HMVs they would be doing charter work and sitting around the hubs just like all the other airplanes.



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User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1305 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 22837 times:

Don't forget about the fact that the old Delta network has plent facilities to maintain and service there big 767 fleet while the A330 tech facilities are available in the NWA network only.


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User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 22819 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
The fact is, Delta could have instead chosen to temporarily park some 767-400ERs rather than A330s. I think this says a lot on how the 764ER compares to the A330 with Delta.

Only DL Management can answer that question but I would tend to believe the overhaul bit. Having worked under the wing w/764's, I tend to believe the 333 a superior aircraft in terms of potential cargo lift. The 333 also carries 57 more pax, and from trying to navigate the NRT-HKG route in Oct, a 744 would be more appropriate. The 764 has too many quirky loading problems when fully loaded and takes penalties at times on the EZE and SCL routes. The inability to load cargo pallets aft on the 764 is a real disadvantage, especially when the fwd compartments are heavily loaded with cargo (sometimes cargo has to be removed for balance issues). The 764 is probably more suited to the LHR routes where the BE seats command a premium. The 332 and 764 have approximately the same pax capacity with a penalty of BE seats on the 332 vs cargo penalties on the 764. The 77W would be a nice addition to the fleet.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1944 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 22739 times:

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 5):
It's as much about deferring mtc as anything.

I don't agree with that. If the A333 was an important part of the DL network right now, they'd be flying or getting their maintenance check done ASAP. You don't park newer, efficient airplanes primarily because it needs a heavy check. It's as simple as that. What DL is basically saying here is that the A333 is too big and not needed in large numbers for the current network. The heavy check due is just a fortunate circumstance. Hopefully this will all change with the A333 if demand picks back up, but we'll have to wait and see on that.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 3):
If Delta had chosen to park the A332s (which are similar in capacity to the 764) instead, then you MAY have a point.

DL hasn't parked A332s, but it should be noted that their schedule is also slower than normal. It was so slow that 2 or 3 of the 11 could be in for paint at the same time.

[Edited 2009-11-11 09:35:30]

User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3297 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22614 times:



Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 9):
I don't agree with that. If the A333 was an important part of the DL network right now, they'd be flying or getting their maintenance check done ASAP. You don't park newer, efficient airplanes primarily because it needs a heavy check. It's as simple as that. What DL is basically saying here is that the A333 is too big and not needed in large numbers for the current network. The heavy check due is just a fortunate circumstance. Hopefully this will all change with the A333 if demand picks back up, but we'll have to wait and see on that.

Its the worst time of the year in the worst year in a decade. Capacity was always going to get parked over the winter. The 333's had expensive mtc coming up that could be deferred.

The 764 is a newer, efficient airplane as well. And trust me, you DO park airplanes to defer mtc. Delta has done it for years. 763's get cycled through all the time. 764's have been idled the past three winters as they got the BizElite mods.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22449 times:



Quoting Glareskin (Reply 7):
Don't forget about the fact that the old Delta network has plent facilities to maintain and service there big 767 fleet while the A330 tech facilities are available in the NWA network only.

DL could move maintenance work on the busses over to DL now if they wanted to... but it will start happening as soon as the single operating certificate is obtained in months. Unlike other departments, there are no labor issues involved with DL doing work on the Airbus fleet (or any other of NW's aircraft).

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 10):
you DO park airplanes to defer mtc. Delta has done it for years. 763's get cycled through all the time.

correct..

To get to the heart of the question - without inferring anything about any aircraft based on temporary groundings - the 330s will quickly establish themselves as very liked aircraft in the DL fleet. Contrary to what alot of people here have thought, the 330 is a very good aircraft and will be used for years to come.

Overall, the 330 has lower costs on a per seat basis than the 767 fleet but that is largely due to the larger size. The 333 as currently configured is the 2nd largest a/c in the DL/NW fleet behind the 744 - and larger than any other pre-merger DL fleet type. The 330s do have a lower percentage of business class seats than DL's int'l aircraft but even if they were comparable equipped, the 333 would be comparably sized (seat wise) to the 772.

The 777 is the heaviest of the int'l twins and also the most capable which is why it will be used for the longest routes.

The 333 is a large capacity, very low CASM, heavily coach skewed aircraft that is good for TATL routes... which is exactly why DL wanted to use it this past summer on ATL to LGW and FCO, markets that don't have large premium demand but move alot of people in the summer.

The 332 is presently comparable in performance and size to the 764. DL's 764s are flying routes as long as the 332, however, it can be argued that NW has not pushed the 332 to its limits. Further, the 332 performance improvement package (which all of the NW 332s can get) will push the 332's performance into the 14 hr flight range - or right into the 772 range for costs that are lower because the 332 weighs about 50K pounds less than the 772 for a comparable trip and only slightly less passengers.

The 764 is easily capable of 10 hr flights which constitutes most of the TATL network; it has excellent CASM and is about 40K pounds lighter than the 332.

In essence the 332 adds about 40K pounds of weight to eventually be able to fly another 1000-1200 miles... the 330s also can carry larger cargo containers but as a percentage of total weight, the 764 and 330s have similar margins for freight weight.

The 763 is the smallest int'l widebody aircraft for DL and is capable of 13 hr flights, making it ideal for long, thin routes and for developmental flying on routes that don't need the 777s performance/range.

The 767s and 330s will work very nicely together in the combined DL/NW fleet...because of the larger volume of int'l passengers moved through ATL, the 330s will likely be transitioned more to ATL while the 767s will be used to add new routes from DTW, SEA, and possibly MSP. JFK will get a little of everything.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22282 times:

With all this cargo talk (oh, I get so excited!  Wink ), it brings up a question I have. Eventually, the 767s will get replaced with 787s, I would imagine.........what containers does the 787 used....LD-2 or LD-3? Also, are the cargo doors large enough, fore and aft, to load cargo pallets?

I can see where DL will eventually go back to all LD-3 type a/c instead of the mish mash they have now with containers.



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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22273 times:



Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 5):
Agreed. Don't infer ANYTHING from the decision to park the 330's during the winter. It's as much about deferring mtc as anything.

The two parked A330s were built and delivered in 2003. How can they be due for heavy maintenance already? I'm assuming these are "C" checks...


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22987 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22163 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 11):
but it will start happening as soon as the single operating certificate is obtained in months. Unlike other departments, there are no labor issues involved with DL doing work on the Airbus fleet (or any other of NW's aircraft).

I assume there's also an issue of contracts with whomever is doing the outsourced 330 work now; they could have had DL do the work pre-merger and just paid DL cost for it. The accounting would have been easy.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 21946 times:
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Quoting Panamair (Reply 3):
there aren't too many transoceanic routes that can support a 298-seater in the off-season especially in this current economic climate.



Quoting CV880 (Reply 8):
The 764 has too many quirky loading problems when fully loaded and takes penalties at times on the EZE and SCL routes



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 11):
The 333 is a large capacity, very low CASM, heavily coach skewed aircraft that is good for TATL routes... which is exactly why DL wanted to use it this past summer on ATL to LGW and FCO, markets that don't have large premium demand but move alot of people in the summer

As we discussed in the past, the 333 seems to me a very good aircraft during IATA winter for South America. I can see EZE, GIG, GRU and SCL using this plane from ATL routes, allowing some high demand routes to Europe to keep their 764's (6 will be used to deep South America next winter season). As an example, flights during the first week out of january out of GIG are all very busy with flights up to Jan 5 100% packed, and after that, few availability on J.
It's for sure a market where DL could try to use the 333 during January.



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 21776 times:
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Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 11):
correct..

To get to the heart of the question - without inferring anything about any aircraft based on temporary groundings - the 330s will quickly establish themselves as very liked aircraft in the DL fleet. Contrary to what alot of people here have thought, the 330 is a very good aircraft and will be used for years to come.

Overall, the 330 has lower costs on a per seat basis than the 767 fleet but that is largely due to the larger size. The 333 as currently configured is the 2nd largest a/c in the DL/NW fleet behind the 744 - and larger than any other pre-merger DL fleet type. The 330s do have a lower percentage of business class seats than DL's int'l aircraft but even if they were comparable equipped, the 333 would be comparably sized (seat wise) to the 772.

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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 21689 times:



Quoting Glareskin (Reply 7):
Don't forget about the fact that the old Delta network has plent facilities to maintain and service there big 767 fleet while the A330 tech facilities are available in the NWA network only.

Delta can do Airbus work, They have and are doing wifi mods on the airbus. Any plane NW has can be worked on in ATL and everything say the 744 can be worked on in BOS. I'm not 100% about CVG/SLC, if they can take the big busses or 747s.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 11):
DL could move maintenance work on the busses over to DL now if they wanted to... but it will start happening as soon as the single operating certificate is obtained in months. Unlike other departments, there are no labor issues involved with DL doing work on the Airbus fleet (or any other of NW's aircraft).

I only beileve ATL and BOS(the new hangar) can take 330s. IIRC SLC and CVG are 767 only but not sure. Hopefully DALMD88 will see this and be able to tell us. Like you said DL can do work for NW as they have done the wifi mods down here(but im not 100% that its DL AMTs doing the work or if GoGo does it and just does it at TechOps) DL has been sending more work MSPs way as Atlanta is just slap full. They have been doing ADC mods on the DAL-S 757 fleet. They just don't have the people to bring a bunch of work in house quickly with out hurting the MRO side. the good thing is the have the space to do it, just not the people.

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 13):
I'm assuming these are "C" checks...

I believe so. The 764s just had HMVs done last year IIRC. This is why they aren't being parked.



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 21631 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 12):
I would imagine.........what containers does the 787 used....LD-2 or LD-3?

According to the technical diagrams on Boeing's site, it will take LD3's.

Also as far as I know, the 787 is wider than the A330/A340, which also take LD3's.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 12):
Also, are the cargo doors large enough, fore and aft, to load cargo pallets?

Yes - similar cargo capability/capacity to the 777's.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 21467 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 17):
SLC, if they can take the big busses or 747s.

I don't believe the hangar in SLC can take any widebodies at all.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21381 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 19):
I don't believe the hangar in SLC can take any widebodies at all.

Its been so long since i have been out there i can't remember. I do believe that the SLC and CVG hangars are twins(and they maybe twins with the exTPA hangar also) I would be a little shocked if they can't hold a 767 at least.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5673 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 19457 times:



Quoting CV880 (Reply 8):
Having worked under the wing w/764's, I tend to believe the 333 a superior aircraft in terms of potential cargo lift.



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 17):
I'm not 100% about CVG/SLC, if they can take the big busses or 747s.

I've seen 767s in the SLC hangar at times. The A330 might fit in there, but isn't the tail a bit taller than the 767's anyways?



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User currently offlineTerryb99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 18908 times:



Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 10):
And trust me, you DO park airplanes to defer mtc. Delta has done it for years.

Before I started my own company, I sold parts to Delta Tech-Ops. After 9-11, planes were being parked left and right. Delta went as far as swapping engines or landing gear from one plane to another, then parking a plane that had maintenance due on BOTH the gear and engines. That deferred ALOT of maintenance (at the expense of my business), and at the same time, parked unneeded capacity.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 18820 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
As we discussed in the past, the 333 seems to me a very good aircraft during IATA winter for South America.

agree... I think we will see it in time... traffic is a bit soft right now... it is probably too much plane for more than the peak winter period given this year's softness and it is too costly to switch from the 764 to 333 for just 4-6 weeks.
Hopefully next year.
I also wouldn't be surprised if the 330s receive the new lie flat seats including a larger number of business class seats in the near future.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 16):
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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15739 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 18747 times:



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 4):
I haven't heard anything that remotely suggests that Delta or Continental aren't content with the 764.

Nor have I. I think that a lot of this has to do with geography. DL and CO both have hubs in New York, which makes the additional range of the A330 unnecessary for transatlantic flights. Also, note that the 764s do relatively little transatlantic flying from Houston and Atlanta. Also, neither DL or CO (with the exception of Air Mike) have hubs far enough west to make transpacific A330 flights practical.

Northwest on the other hand, had no hubs on the East Coast but did have transpacific flights from LAX (that may have never been an A330), SFO, PDX, SEA, plus some Hawaii flying.



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25 Whappeh : Is it possible that the A330s that are being parked by Delta will be picked up by another airline, mainly US?
26 BMI727 : They aren't selling them, just parking them for the winter. As soon as the summer demand picks up they will probably go back to the fleet.
27 Tockeyhockey : i saw a NW 332 being towed into a hanger in seattle today. anyone know the story on it? i have this feeling that's the last time i'll see it in NW liv
28 Nwarooster : These aircraft will start receiving their Heavy Maintenance Checks next year in Singapore. More out sourced work.
29 Timf : All the 332s are already repainted. You must have seen a 333.
30 Burnsie28 : Heavy checks are every 6 years. Except DL TOC as far as I know doesn't service A330's The A332's always tend to go to the NW hanger in Seattle after
31 Flyibaby : Are the parked aircraft possibly going to have a new DL interior placed inside during heavy check?
32 Timf : All 11 A332s have spent 10-11 days each in VCV over the past 3 months. The last one left a week ago on Wednesday, November 4. Unless one spent time t
33 Thegeek : That makes much more sense to me than the conventional a.net wisdom that "The A330 is a superior aircraft in almost every way" Of course other poster
34 CHRISBA777ER : What is the thread starter trying to say here? That the 764ER is "better" because they didnt park it? More Boeing Cheerleaderism it would seem. How gr
35 LipeGIG : That's a real need, more C seats ! But when i said about the winter season, they could manage to use the planes to Brazil for sure between Dec 10 and
36 Transpac787 : Ship 6304 (N664US) Ship 3317 (N817NW)
37 MSPNWA : This isn't about cutting capacity versus not cutting. That's not the point at hand. The point being brought up by the OP is if there's anything to th
38 RJ111 : I doubt it's that simple. A lightly loaded 764 on a shortish route may well burn more, but if you give it a massive payload the A332 may edge it even
39 WorldTraveler : But DL will undoubtedly start marketing its capabilities on components and engines for the NW fleet types more aggressively... DL has determined they
40 Dalmd88 : Just to add my two cents...It looks like the big bus is coming due for it's first HMV/D check. We have excess capacity during the slow winter so we ar
41 LAXtoATL : Reading this thread frustrated me so much that I paid to get a userid and respond! I cannot believe that some people still think that Delta's decision
42 DeltaL1011man : Delta can't just get out of contracts due to the merger. These birds(and all the NW birds) will keep getting work done by the people who did them for
43 Drfix2fly : I have seen a 767-400 in the hanger in slc and the hanger in cvg of the exact same blueprint has had a 777 in it, as for maintenance on the 330 slc i
44 Flighty : Welome to A.net. The A333s seem to be in storage right now, not the maintenance hangar. They being stored because (apparently) the airline does not w
45 DeltaL1011man : Well The 77E has a wingspan of 199 fl 11in, tail height of 60ft 9in and a length of 209 ft 1in. the 332 has a wingspan of 197ft 10in, tail height of
46 LAXtoATL : Thank you for welcoming me. I thought I did address it. I will try agian. These aircraft under no circumstance could fly right now. They require main
47 RJ111 : The aircraft manuals suggest about 13t difference in OEW but that is not necessarily a lot at a high payload and a lot of fuel. With the A332 you get
48 Hawkercamm : FWIW the A330 flight crews are most likely cross crew qualified to fly the A320s. Hence it would be better to park the A330 and let their crews help o
49 Jetlanta : Check his age and give him a break. Fair enough, sort of. There are LOTS of planes that aren't necessary right now. The type is irrelevant. They coul
50 Transpac787 : They are not. NW has (and DL will keep) A320 and A330 crews separate. A330 crews are paid significantly more and have zero training on the A320 and A
51 WorldTraveler : people should remember that the 764s had a pretty easy life of domestic and Hawaii runs for the first 5-7 years of their life. The 764s are just now
52 Cubsrule : But wouldn't that suggest more cycles and, as a result, a need for more m/x?
53 PM : Oh I am. It's because so many people here want to believe that DL will get rid of their A330s and they are looking (a little desperately) for any cru
54 Dalmd88 : Actually it did. We intially had more engine problems than CO. They were operating theirs at longer stage lenghts. Now I think that has evened out .
55 Astuteman : That's not strictly correct. You are right when you said the A332 is more efficient because it's bigger, but I wonder if you were referring to its 60
56 Astuteman : The specs show the OEW of the 233t (513k lb) MTOW A330-200 to be 257k lb, and the 767-400 OEW to be 227k lb, which I make to be aroud 14 tonnes As fa
57 WorldTraveler : but the 764s were flying 8-10 hrs; the longest flights were to Hawaii and there were only a couple a/c flying those flights. DL's 764s had lots of en
58 PSU.DTW.SCE : Sigh....another thread on the A330s that were TEMPORARILY PARKED and people start making all these wild assumptions about how and why it was parked ot
59 Cubsrule : Precisely - and the rest (besides the couple flying to Hawaii) were doing TPA and MCO turns.
60 Mayor : Also SLC-ATL.
61 Transpac787 : Final DC10 captains were primarily senior ex-RC and most of them went to the 744 given the contractual clause for involuntary displacement. The MSP A
62 Tristarcrazy : According to widgetheads.net,, DA has stored some 763ER's so I guess Anderson read all the unhappyness on Anet about the A330's being stored and sent
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