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Australian Aviation Thread # 32  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 689 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22427 times:

G'day All,

In Thread # 31 (Link) the following topics were discussed:

- Jetstar to take delivery of its next 332
- As a result will boost capacity on existing routes such as SYD-HNL and MEL-DPS
- Melbourne - Summer flight increases
- Commencement of CNS/KIX services delayed
- QantasLink reduces its PER/AYQ schedule
- Old Qantas domestic flights - CNS
- A380 flight diversions
- SQ schedules changes to SYD
- Strategic Airlines applies to operate BNE/DPS services
- Qantas and the 777
- V Australia's planned JNB and HKT services - interesting points raised
- Tiger announces Sydney - Gold Coast (Coolangatta) services
- New Qantas 747-400 VH-OJS Socceroos scheme
- Viva Macau to Melbourne and Air Asia increasing services
- QF 737-300 ZK-JNC retires from service
- Tiger introduces additional frequencies on existing routes
- EK and their new 3rd daily SYD service
- JAL not suspending Brisbane services as previously speculated
- Tiger's first foray into the Brisbane market announcing BNE-ROK/ADL/MEL eff MAR10
- DJ widebody/narrowbody order
- Philippine Airlines possibly returning to Brisbane
- Qantas launches a new thrice weekly CBR/DRW service with 73H

Qantas and Cathay Pacific are schedule to operate extra flights from Brisbane and Sydney to Hong Kong in February 2009 and Qantas will reintroduced limited Cairns - Hong Kong services also during February 2009. The Qantas services will be operated by a mix of A330-200 and A330-300 aircraft.

Strategic Airlines has also relaunched their website and introduced a local UK version.

Cheers

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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22434 times:

Speculation suggests that Qantas' 5th and 6th A380 deliveries will be delayed.

The Qantas Group will also increase services to its Tasmanian destinations over the busy New Year period from Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney.

Finally, any word on how QantasLink's relatively new ADL/KGI and Air North's OOL/ISA/DRW services are performing?

Thanks and Cheers  

[Edited 2009-11-12 08:04:22]

User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 22249 times:

Don't know about ADl KGI but I hear that Moorabah BNE is doing VERY well


Airlines Flown : QF,NW,AA, CX, AC, MH, SQ, DJ, NZ, TG, PG,US, FJ, J8, AN, DD, JQ
User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 22232 times:

With Pacific Blue launching Perth-Phuket tomorrow 14 Nov, I've noticed the plane is on the ground in Phuket for some 20 hours! (Arrives Tue/Sat around 4pm, leaves Wed/Sun around 1pm)

Seems excessive ground time for a low cost airline. Surely they must be planning something. I know there are no major engineering hangers to undertake work there. Any ideas?


User currently offlineDJMEL From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 22016 times:

Saw one of our Brand New Aircraft today at MEL VH-VUR, as soon as I entered the aerobridge I could smell the new aircraft smell (she had flown in earlier from BNE), however she is not fiited with W Class seats or Live2Air and neither are the next 2 aircraft VH-VUS and VH-VUT, interestingly enough the aircraft livery on the tail is the old Virgin font yet the winglets have the new font.

By the way the first DJ PER-HKT service had a weight restriction placed on it today!!!!!!


User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 22006 times:



Quoting DJMEL (Reply 4):
not fiited with W Class seats or Live2Air and neither are the next 2 aircraft VH-VUS and VH-VUT

Do you know why?



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineTayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 21968 times:

repost from #31. nearmap.com has been launched and has sat imagery regularly updated - this capture was taken with the SQA380 parked and shows the T2 expansion nearing (physical) completion:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/auboy/mel-1.jpg


User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 21842 times:



Quoting Tayser (Reply 6):
repost from #31. nearmap.com has been launched and has sat imagery regularly updated - this capture was taken with the SQA380 parked and shows the T2 expansion nearing (physical) completion:

Should be open in the next week or so,shalll be a nice improvement, now hopefully they will update the interior in the rest of the terminal, esp check-in! Not to mention how desperatly it is needed in peak perriods.


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 928 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 21711 times:



Quoting Tayser (Reply 6):
repost from #31

Thanks for sharing Tayser. A darn good photo( or sat image).



remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
User currently offlineAusA380 From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 21608 times:

SMH and The Adelaide Advertise have articles in relation to a QF plan having to divert from ADL as it would have landed 1 minute after 11pm (curfew).http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/qantas-flight-diverted-over-curfew-bureaucracy-gone-mad-20091113-ieg3.html

I originally came from ADL and was frustrated by the NIMBY attitude of the people around ADL airport 30 years ago, and we have the same problem in SYD.

Given that the houses around the airports have been insulated and that non commercial / pax planes are allowed to come and go during curfew, what to people think about a more scientific approach to noise analysis and flight movements after 11pm rather than decisions by noise type irrespective of noise levels?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 21595 times:



Quoting Tayser (Reply 6):

Great pic, I can't wait to explore MEL properly for once in a couple of weeks' time! It's given me a much better perspective of where things are and how far I may have to run..



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 21553 times:



Quoting AusA380 (Reply 9):
what to people think about a more scientific approach to noise analysis and flight movements after 11pm rather than decisions by noise type irrespective of noise levels?

Planes genuinely departing on time to reach a destination (that are delayed due weather or MX after departing on time) should be given a grace period of say Flight Time +20%. Planes that dont depart on time for an arrival within curfew should be denied landing. Obviously a/c declaring an emergency are already exempt

Sending a plane back as in the ADL scenario is environmentally wrong



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineDJMEL From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 21392 times:



Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 5):
Quoting DJMEL (Reply 4):
not fiited with W Class seats or Live2Air and neither are the next 2 aircraft VH-VUS and VH-VUT

Do you know why?

Yes, they enter service in Australia and then get retrofitted in Australia can't remember whether its in BNE or ADL, I'm not sure why they don't do it before it goes into service.......


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 21289 times:



Quoting AusA380 (Reply 9):
what to people think about a more scientific approach to noise analysis and flight movements after 11pm rather than decisions by noise type irrespective of noise levels?

Having a noise-biased curfew that has greater restrictions on louder aircraft-engine-airline combinations and less restrictions on quieter aircraft-engine-airline combinations would encourage operators to make use of quieter aircraft, which given the vagaries of scheduling would probably spill over outside the curfew period, providing additional benefit. In my preferred model, there would be a series of noise brackets. Aircraft falling into the loudest would be prohibited from operating between 8pm and 8am, for instance. For quieter aircraft, the prohibition period would progressively shorten (be it down to no prohibition, or just a shorter prohibition). The regulations would be drafted such that over a reasonable period of time, the noise brackets would move to being quieter, so as to encourage the continued reduction in aircraft noise (in a similar way that we have ICAO Stage 2, Stage 3, Stage 4 etc.)

I suspect this is much too sensible an idea to be implemented.

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 21273 times:



Quoting DJMEL (Reply 12):
Yes, they enter service in Australia and then get retrofitted in Australia can't remember whether its in BNE or ADL, I'm not sure why they don't do it before it goes into service.......

Live2Air was fitted to the rest of the fleet in CHC.



Piper power!
User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3333 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 21246 times:



Quoting Gardermoen (Reply 3):
With Pacific Blue launching Perth-Phuket tomorrow 14 Nov, I've noticed the plane is on the ground in Phuket for some 20 hours! (Arrives Tue/Sat around 4pm, leaves Wed/Sun around 1pm)

Seems excessive ground time for a low cost airline. Surely they must be planning something. I know there are no major engineering hangers to undertake work there. Any ideas?

As it is only 2pw, it is for crew rest.
Crew operate service, rest for 1 night, then return following day.
The cost of operate such low frequencies.

Quoting DJMEL (Reply 4):
By the way the first DJ PER-HKT service had a weight restriction placed on it today!!!!!!

At close to 6:30, you will find all flights weight restricted.


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 21069 times:



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 15):
Quoting DJMEL (Reply 4):
By the way the first DJ PER-HKT service had a weight restriction placed on it today!!!!!!

At close to 6:30, you will find all flights weight restricted.

Some of the very long stages like PER-HKT and SYD/MEL/BNE-DPS would fit within the published range of the 737-900ER - which shows as about 3200 miles on the Boeing range charts.


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21051 times:

Well, given that -900ERs are coming, I wonder whether they'll just be kept on the East Coast runs MEL-SYD-BNE and OOL or whether they'll also do some of the international work?

User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21022 times:



Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 17):
Well, given that -900ERs are coming

not given yet. We are still waiting for confirmation of rumours



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21012 times:

Continental Airlines has both older -900s and newer 900ERs. The 900ERs are used for US Coast to Coast - they would be a bit of a waste if DJ used them just for extra seats between SYD and MEL/BNE. CO operates them with 20 US domestic F seats and 153 US Coach Class. They would be interesting if DJ used them with a Y+ product on longer flights, and perhaps some Trans Tasman flights - If PacificBlue wants to carry Business traffic between AKL and SYD, 739ERs with Y+ seats would be one way to do it. Improved daily frequency would be another.

User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 20986 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 19):
they would be a bit of a waste if DJ used them just for extra seats between SYD and MEL/BNE

The issue is that SYD is fairly congested, especially in peak times, and DJ needs bigger planes. SYD is busier than places like LGA, STN, MAN, IAD, MDW, DCA, YYZ, BOS, ICN as an example.

DJ can't afford to be left with inadequate peak capacity.

Apart from 739 then only other option is a 787



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 20970 times:

I went for a wonder through the new extended part of the terminal out at MEL today, Very nice airy and modern with massive windows down the end at the gate level, at this stage only half of the concourse is open, totaling an additional three gates at this stage but that will certainly make a huge difference, at the moment Air New Zealand are using the gates only. However I imagine Emirates will use gate 16 shortly as it is a dual aerobridge which it is preferred on the A340 where as they have been recently been using the single bridge on gate ten.
Arrivals is a bit odd as you have to go up then follow the corridor along where there is a glass partition in between arrivals and departures and then back down a level again...
There are no coffee shops or anything down their yet so hopefully something get put in, more than vending machines its along walk thats for sure.

Hopefully the refurbish the rest of the airport like that new, ie re-tile and relight the place. Currently the arrivals level is awful and check-in rather dated and drab.

But hey I work there so maybe I am especially critical??


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 20945 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 19):
Continental Airlines has both older -900s and newer 900ERs. The 900ERs are used for US Coast to Coast - they would be a bit of a waste if DJ used them just for extra seats between SYD and MEL/BNE. CO operates them with 20 US domestic F seats and 153 US Coach Class.

The 737-900 has already been discontinued in favour of the -900ER, so overkill or not, it's the only (737) game in town if you're looking for high capacity.

There's always the A321, of course, which does already feature in the QF group fleet. Whether it has advantages over the -900ER for short-range flying, though, I've no idea.



This is not my beautiful house . . . This is not my beautiful wife
User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 20938 times:



Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 22):
There's always the A321, of course, which does already feature in the QF group fleet. Whether it has advantages over the -900ER for short-range flying, though, I've no idea.

For an fleet with lots of 737 the answer is no



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 20914 times:



Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 23):
Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 22):
There's always the A321, of course, which does already feature in the QF group fleet. Whether it has advantages over the -900ER for short-range flying, though, I've no idea.

For an fleet with lots of 737 the answer is no

Taking a broader view, though, the QF group already covers both Airbus and Boeing short-haul products - 737, A320, A321. The carrier doesn't seem to have any qualms about juggling A330s and B787s between the carriers, both currently and in terms of forward planning, so it's not an impossibility that the A321 might be an option if it suited QF's short-haul high-density needs.



This is not my beautiful house . . . This is not my beautiful wife
25 6thfreedom : I tend to agree. I think the 739ER has an advantage on the 321 on range, in which case given DJs longer sectors to DPS and HKT, its range will be ver
26 Jetfuel : So DJ/VA are in trouble over their Friday 13th Gold Velocity yes you have, no you dont email computer "glitch" fiasco and now Qantas check-ins have be
27 TN486 : Exactly the point I made in a previous thread, so I agree with you. Once the economy starts moving DJ are going to need this additional capacity, and
28 TN486 : This may sound corny, but I reckon its great when an employee can walk into the workplace and see it with a critical eye, well done Smi006, most empl
29 Jetfuel : Problem is the cheapest 787 is double the cost of a 739ER. The 787 doesn't make twice the income. This is where the 757 was such the perfect plane
30 Smi0006 : Hahah that maybe true or perhaps it makes my cynical lol? Gates in the new concourse that are currently completed are I think; Gate 12 Gate 14 Gate 1
31 VirginFlyer : I was under the impression Lion were taking the aircraft? Boeing's orderbook has 178 (!) 737-900ERs for Lion Air, 22 of which have been delivered to
32 Jetfuel : I think many of us were expecting Lion to go bust under the debt and the GFC. I don't know enough about them as to whether they are doing ok. I know
33 TN486 : Thank you for the update, I probably had in my mind the on again off again participation in the Australian aviation scene. Smi006 thanks for that, th
34 Post contains links Jetfuel : JETSTAR Pacific, the Vietnamese arm of Australia's budget airline brand, has lost its chief executive, leaving Qantas to deal with emerging ideologica
35 AirNewZealand : Hello folks, Just thought i would let ya'll know, Qantas will be announcing shortly the upgrading of ALL the QF longhaul fleet starting end of Decemeb
36 QF762 : Wow - that's quite an overhaul! Is it worth refitting some of the 744 fleet when they probably only have a limited amount of service left? Any word o
37 Post contains images Allrite : Easily fixed!
38 Zkpilot : Well QF has already outlined a few 744s to go and by the time this upgrade goes through the fleet (with more A380s arriving) they can be retired. QF
39 Kiwiandrew : Does anyone know whether this will include changing the 744 over from the old first generation sloped Skybed to the second generation lie flat ones t
40 Ditzyboy : Pure speculation on my part but I think that would achieve both a product upgrade and make use of some of the space after the removal of seats. Econo
41 Thegeek : It doesn't have to though. You still only have to pay one pair of pilots, and fuel burn isn't double and neither are F/As or maintenance. I still can
42 NZ107 : Sounds like such a minor detail though.. I mean seriously what is a tiny chocolate bar going to do? Maybe it's regarding obesity awareness?
43 TN486 : Agree, but it will happen I suspect, down the track
44 Gogojet : Great to hear that there will be some product changes. When you consider that 10-15 years ago a Qantas 747 would carry approximately 423 passengers,
45 9MMPD : About time for the A330-303 fleet. Their cabins have been looking very shabby these days and using their tiny screen PTV after hopping off a 13 hour
46 Smi0006 : Hopfuly we will see new overhead bins too! Not sure about that one but would certainly modernise the cabin alot combined with soem LED lighting, any
47 NZ107 : It beats me to how much they need to actually save: surely they could buy bulk and bring the price down for them. Oh well, one less item to eat onboa
48 Post contains links Tayser : phenomenal success: http://www.aviationrecord.com/Home/A...o-fly-MelbourneKL-twice-daily.aspx Malaysian-based low-cost airline AirAsia will boost serv
49 Post contains links QF175 : Source Here's hoping the opening on BNE services becomes a reality! I see PR are operating a mixture of 333/744 equipment to Sydney during the Christm
50 Sydscott : I think the word "standardisation" is probably a better description. For the 744's don't forget there are still quite a few 2 class ones flying aroun
51 Jetfuel : I see a Strategic Airlines flight # ASY084 from KUWAIT flight due in to Darwin. Any ideas what this is? I was guessing an A330 charter?
52 AirNewZealand : Was not made clear unfortunately. The Economy cabin will be getting bigger, this is a given, but the message was very vague in regards to how many mo
53 ANstar : Makes sense for F to only be installed on the A380. All 744's could be converted to 3 class J/Y+ and Y to get more seats.
54 Aussieindc : What about the JFK market? I was of the belief that F/J worked well on that tag on and was (one) of the reasons for not putting the A330 on that tag.
55 Zkpilot : I think there will still be some (probably ER) aircraft with F. As for JFK, QF has seriously been considering changing this to the A330 of late, from
56 Post contains links The Coachman : http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...fares-will-rise-20091119-iofr.html This is completely contradictory. VA and DJ talk about every day low fares e
57 Airvan00 : That would mean the BNE-LAX or the AKL-LAX flight would have to change to a A332.
58 Aerokiwi : Yeah it is bizarre and a PR flop for Virgin - didn't they enter the rute claiming it was a cosy duopoly that forced fares higher? And now they want t
59 Jbernie : Would QF benefit more from having a dedicated aircraft on this route or are they better served having one of the aircraft flying into LAX from Austra
60 Alangirvan : So does this mean VA/DL will vacate Australia to the USA routes, and we will finally get Singapore Airlines, with A380s and service that even other a
61 VHECA : Local media in Sale, Victoria reported a QF 737-400 making a diversion to RAAF East Sale on Sunday 15/11/09......Anyone with details? Not wanting to s
62 Vhqpa : That was a Jetconnect 73H ZK-ZQC QF26 Vhq.
63 Thegeek : No. You are ignoring issues with: (a) where do the flight crew come from, and (b) how do you do maintenance. You'd be better off to just use the code
64 The Coachman : The Australian govt would never allow that and you know it Doubt it will happen particularly with the rather public spats between Branson and SQ of l
65 VHECA : I appreciate the response, VHQ. I do watch the occassional Emirates A340 and NZ777 and wonder.....but i also appreciate that no further emergency get
66 Post contains links Jbernie : The Aviation Herald is a great site for this kind of info... http://www.avherald.com/h?article=422d5d7d&opt=0 Appears the passenger is ok. a) can rot
67 Thegeek : But currently, they aren't flying the A330 to LAX. And even when they were doing it a few days a week from AKL, LAX-JFK is a daily flight so while it
68 Zkpilot : AKL-LAX will be returning to having A332 service. Its possible however there are issues associated with this...ie if the aircraft goes tech there isn
69 Airvan00 : If that is the case, either the BNE- LAX flight would become a 332 or the AKL-MEL flight would be upgraded from a 738 to a 332. BNE-LAX might be a bi
70 The Coachman : No need to. Current MEL-AKL does not run with a 744 so why does there need to be an upgrade to QF25/26 to a 332?
71 Airvan00 : Because how does the 332 get to AKL to do the run AKL-LAX. The current 744 does BNE-LAX-AKL-LAX-BNE. Unless a SYD-ALK is changed to a 332
72 Kiwiandrew : Currently the AKL-LAX vv operates with a 744 that comes from LAX ( having presumably arrived there first from Australia ) if the AKL-LAX vv changes t
73 Zkpilot : Simply operate the odd SYD-AKL flight with a 332 instead of a 763. Also the aircraft would probably do something like SYD-AKL-LAX-AKL-LAX-AKL-LAX-AKL
74 Airvan00 : Looks like that would need 2 332's. Maybe that is what the two new ones will be used for when they arrive (EBM EBN)
75 Alangirvan : Question would be what would Qantas do if the A330 is the plane that falls over at LAX. Would they use a Qantas 747 as the sub, or would they just put
76 Ditzyboy : These are in a domestic configuration, with domestic galleys and could not support an international product with the equipment currently onboard.
77 Hikarufree : I have no idea why, except that perhaps the QF transcon times aren't suitable or they want to go to Newark as opposed to JFK. You do pay for food and
78 QF175 : V Australia 777-300ER VH-VPE is operate the Airline's inaugural Brisbane - Phuket service today. Perfect time to start services with Year 12 finishing
79 Jbernie : Well. keep in ind that regardless of your destination beyond LAX, you still need to leave the QF flight with all belongings, collect bags, clear cust
80 ZK-NBT : Those 2 aircraft are for domestic but will be fitted with AVOD. QF only schedule their 4 332 on daily SYD-PVG services with a few other odd trips to
81 ANstar : Dont 332's in INT config currently ply East Coast - PER runs so in theory the 2 new domestic ones would mean no more IN 332 flying domestically and t
82 TruemanQLD : Happy 6th A.net Birthday ANstar.
83 ANstar : hehe thanks - just saw the birthday cake :p
84 The Coachman : QF can always base 2 x 332's in AKL for the AKL-LAX-JFK run. Only problem this leaves QF is what to do with Y+ pax.
85 NZ107 : That's why keeping it in SYD or MEL makes more sense as all you do is take out one of the 767s on the run. Also the maintenance facilities are there
86 Alangirvan : So, AKL-LAX-JFK ib A332s will operate with Auckland based Cabin Crew, is that correct? Will Cabin Crew overnight in NY city, or will they do a LAX-JFK
87 SunriseValley : Any word on the engines for the recent A330 order?
88 Thegeek : CABIN crew aren't an issue. Pilots are. deadheading all the way to LAX to operate LAX-JFK is a ridiculous suggestion. Also, with regards to the maint
89 Gemuser : If that happens it would be easier and cheaper to run one of the A380 sitting at LAX to JFK rather than start a new route. Also SFO would have no MEL
90 B767ERWinglets : I am really surprised that QF are wanting to put the A330 on the AKL-LAX route. The B747 goes out nearly (nearly) full all the time. There will be alo
91 Thegeek : If that's true, why 6x weekly? Sure, the aircraft would come from BNE-LAX which is 6x weekly, but they could route BNE-LAX-AKL-LAX-AKL-LAX-BNE once a
92 SunriseValley : The aircraft is 238t MTOW and has an additional 3.4t of payload or 330nm of range. Redrawing the 233t load/range table for the extra range and using
93 Thegeek : Perhaps QF should get some configured for International then. They'd have a bit of room for freight in International config. IIRC, the ones they were
94 Zkpilot : The word is that cabin crew would overnight in NY like how the tech crew currently do. SFO is an interesting idea... would help that flight (maybe al
95 Thegeek : Why? Are they paying penalty rates at present? The current system is much easier for cabin crew as it reduces the chance that they'll fall sick in JF
96 Post contains links Thegeek : According to news.com.au, QF are buying 43 aircraft, including 8 A380s. I can't find a thread on a.net for this. What else are they buying? Is it a re
97 Jetfuel : I think that is just rehash of old news
98 Post contains links Airvan00 : Yes it is a rehash. The info came from the briefing yesterday http://imagesignal.comsec.com.au/asxdata/20091123/pdf/01013880.pdf The 43 are from the
99 Thegeek : Journalism at it's finest! At least they could have made that clear. Must have been a slow news day.
100 Leonjunior : Malaysia airlines to provide direct flights to Brisbane effective 28th March. Two weekly, complement their five weekly flights via Sydney.
101 Post contains links Asiaflyer : QF has taken delivery of A330-202 MSN 1061, reg VH-EBM from Airbus today. http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=2 Will this plane go
102 Post contains links Jetfuel : F-WWKU c/n 1061 is painted in Qantas colours Source: http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=893373
103 Sydscott : It's not a total re-hash. There are a couple of bits of new stuff in the detail; + There is an A332, which QF is buying, in FY 2011 in excess of the
104 Travelhound : Well we do know 8 A380's will be delivered, so by the end of 2011 QF will have 12 A380's in their fleet. At a guess I would suggest the A380's will b
105 Post contains links 6thfreedom : Looks like JQ and Cairns Airport have reached an agreement. http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2009/11/25/78165_local-news.html
106 Thegeek : Have QF ever stated why all the A330s that they are buying/leasing after the initial 10 are the -200 variant, rather than the -300?
107 Zkpilot : Aircraft can still operate minus a cabincrew member out of a remote port (its not ideal but happens all the time). Also if it was known 7 hours in ad
108 Thegeek : Ok, those sound like good reasons and ways of mitigating the downsides. And I would presume that cabin crew would only get one night in JFK. I'm pret
109 NZ107 : Arriving into SYD tonight at 1905 according to FIDS at SYD.
110 9MMPD : Any idea on her name?
111 Post contains links The Coachman : http://www.smh.com.au/business/qanta...tstar-expansion-20091125-jrsr.html Poor journalism again. B787-800!?
112 Thegeek : Does anyone know what engines the A332HGW that QF is getting will have?
113 Sydscott : See I tend to think that they won't do that purely because until the 789's arrive they need the 744's to build new routes or to increase frequencies
114 Zkpilot : The 300's don't have the best performance over longer routes and they are also larger meaning more seats have to be actually sold. For shorthaul ops
115 Jetfuel : Its the same debate over the A380. You have to fill it to make it work... It makes me wonder if QF now regret, considering the changed market, whethe
116 Thegeek : Thanks for the replies, but that still doesn't quite work for me. The first 4 A332s were bought with lower spec floors or some such and can't fit Int
117 Bjwonline : Has anyone heard of UA's plans for any increased capacity to either SYD or MEL this summer. Last year they introduced a LAX-MEL non-stop rather than t
118 The Coachman : Unless they can't park aircraft or they'd rather keep them flying, then it's probably better to increase the yields and keep capacity as it is.
119 Thegeek : In addition to my comments in reply 116, it also seems logical to me for the A380 to be replacing the 744 flights SYD-HKG with A330/767 flights as re
120 The Coachman : The A380 would be overkill on the SYD-HKG route. QF127/128 had 333's subbed onto it occasionally, whether it was for MX reasons or whatever I have no
121 Thegeek : I'm not convinced. You could can QF87/88 (the A333 flights) then and still have a reduction in seats on the route, which would help yields. Sure, the
122 Sydscott : The first 4 A332's were bought for the Cityflyer MEL-SYD-BNE services originally but there was an issue with them being larger than the 763's and the
123 Alangirvan : The item that Qantas will be taking 25 787-8s and Jetstar will be taking 25 787-9s makes it look as though somebody thinks that the 787 will have a tr
124 CHCalfonzo : Larger plane = lower CASM in general. Fits perfectly with JQ's low cost strategy which requires high volume
125 The Coachman : Larger planes also means more weight and higher operating costs. Lower CASM doesn't help if you can't fill the aircraft. I think the 333 that operate
126 Sparklehorse12 : The A380 to HKG would not be overkill IMHO. The issue for QF is the schedule from SYD - HKG not being opitmal for the J and Y passenger. CX have a la
127 Thegeek : Ahhh, but does the A333 make sense BNE-HKG? Given that it's less than a daily flight, wouldn't flying the smaller 763 on that route make much more se
128 DJMEL : A Big 2 Weeks of inaugral flights for MEL starting this week with: The inaugral V Australia flights giving Rockstar treatment to Melbourne for the ver
129 Zkpilot : Those initial aircraft were ordered with the light floors by mistake... it was only afterwards that QF realised this and all subsequent aircraft were
130 Thegeek : Re: The first 4 A332s: That's first time that I've heard THAT! Is that a fact acknowledged by Qantas, or a rumour? If it's the former, can you direct
131 QF175 : The same could be said about many of Qantas' international destinations, with frequencies less than daily. You're correct about cabin product. With A
132 Thegeek : So, then it could make sense to use the intl 767s on PER-NRT & BNE-HKG from MAR10?
133 Ditzyboy : It was not a mistake! The first four 332s were delivered with lighter weight floors and lower MTOW, de-rated engines and domestic galleys as they wer
134 Thegeek : Is this turn time problem due to the larger capacity of the A332 vs the 763, or some other reason? i.e. Is the turn time per pax worse, or does it jus
135 Ditzyboy : All of the above? The 332 holds a lot of cargo. The amount of containers alone means the turn times will be increased. The minimum turn time on the P
136 Tayser : Do we know which gates VA are going to be using?
137 Gardermoen : Quoting Tayser (Reply 136): Do we know which gates VA are going to be using? It will be 14A - which I take it is one of the new gate numbers?
138 Smi0006 : There is to be a band at check-in, roller bladers, base ball players and other virgin suprises There will be an Arabic band at both check-in and the
139 Sydscott : Agreed. I think QF needs to dump the HKG-LHR sector and find a better use for that slot. *cough* SYD-DXB-LHR A380 codeshare with BA etc *cough* From
140 The Coachman : The irony being that CX generally uses the regional J class on these routes (please correct me if I'm wrong) and the seat is actually INFERIOR in pit
141 Ditzyboy : That may be true, however customers protested heavily when Qantas used 767s on BNE/PER-HKG and SYD-HKG (2pw) for around 18 months in 2006-7. I would
142 Thegeek : Gee, they've really made their whole product very confused. Perhaps when they sell a business class seat, they should sell it as "Dreamtime business"
143 Airbusa322 : JQ are launching a 2nd Daily MEL-CNS which is I didn't see coming. This is JQ's highest cancellation route, so will be interesting to see how this pan
144 TN486 : are you suggesting JQ will retreat or that Tiger shall?
145 Post contains links JQFlightie : But it connects quiet well with the new CNS-KIX that starts back up 4 x weekly as of 1st April 2010 http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...airns-osak
146 Alangirvan : Why would an A330-300 be hard to turn quickly? The A330 is just an A300 with 50 extra seats. The first A330s were ordered by the French domestic airl
147 Thegeek : If freight is the problem with the A332 turns, then the A333 carries more freight, and I would presume, no extra access. So it should be worse. By th
148 Zkpilot : Thats what I mean by a mistake... had they ordered those first 4 with regular floors (derated engines are fine as they can easily be uprated) then it
149 AirbusA322 : Interesting. I have seen AirAsia turn a A333 which is cargo loaded in just 55mins at OOL before.
150 Post contains links Tayser : http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/8934.html NTERNATIONAL TERMINAL EXPANDS FOR NEW AVIATION ERA From the Minister for Industry &
151 TruemanQLD :
152 Sydscott : It all seemed kind of an anti climax the whole "major" announcement from CNS thing. Sure 4 weekly CNS-KIX is nice and a 2nd daily MEL-CNS is as well
153 Jetfuel : I still think QF's A380 fleet was wrongly configured by Dixon. No other airline was so gung ho on so many premium seats (that are not being sold)
154 Ditzyboy : Last week Qantas came out publicly and said all international configurations were being looked at. I common rumour I hear for the 380 is the last two
155 Alangirvan : SQ have their special First Cabins, and they have found those hard to fill during the Global Financial Crisis. Until AF new service there have been o
156 Jbernie : At the time, based on what they knew, they had it right. Overall QF probably still has it right. With so many long haul destinations being their prim
157 NZ107 : I was disappointed it was closed to the public 8 days ago when I passed through the international terminal.. I'll have to go there next time I travel
158 Pheynix : What's up with REX? Having a look at the REX situation I cannot help but wonder what their long term strategy is for renewal and growth. In the REX fl
159 Post contains links SYDKS : Came across some info and pictures of the new Qantas A330-200 VH-EBM, which is introducing seat back IFE to every seat for the first time on their dom
160 Thegeek : Got to say, I'd have thought it was a much bigger priority to put the Skybed on PER-NRT than on MNL routes.
161 Sydscott : Agreed. At least that gives consistent product in NRT with QF Skybed to PER and SYD and JQ to CNS and OOL. Easier to market as well. I can more under
162 AirbusA322 : The Herald Sun is reporting that JQ are getting 15 A320s/A321's next year on Domestic. Are these part of the original or a new order? Makes sense as T
163 Post contains links Airvan00 : Most likely part of the 17 already announced to be received in FY10 and FY11 http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20091123/pdf/31m79drs40tf76.pdf
164 Post contains images QF175 : Welcome back to Brisbane Philippine Airlines: Services will be re-introduced effective MAR10 with 333 equipment!
165 DJ748 : Curiously - March 10 is a Wednesday, yet the screen dump shows services on Thursdays and Saturdays. QF175 - am I getting confused here? Just clarifyi
166 Post contains links Jetfuel : http://www.theaustralian.com.au/tige...m-ipo/story-e6frg8zx-1225807128528 SINGAPORE-based Tiger Airways is reportedly planning an initial public offer
167 NZ107 : Umm.. No thank you. Who on earth would be silly enough to invest in them? Maybe the company can invest in better customer service and all that as wel
168 Jetfuel : I tend to agree with you. Tiger is the worst thing that has happened to the airline industry in Australia. Some would argue they keep other carriers
169 NZ107 : I didn't even get the chance to fly Tiger when I was in Aussie last week! They bumped me off my flight without telling me and moved me to another fli
170 Jetfuel : This is typical of them. Its just wrong that they can get away with the way they do business. You cant even email them about a matter. You are only a
171 TN486 : Are you suggesting you never trusted us before Seriously though, what I have seen of Tiger (I admit to not flying with them), in observation of their
172 VHVXB : Further to your post PR will introduce 77W to SYD and MEL from MARCH 16. I'm not sure if you have covered this in the previous thread QF175, MH will
173 6thfreedom : times ex-australia PR 213 / PR 214 A333 thurs/sat MNL-MEL 0800 MEL 0930 BNE 1050 BNE - MNL 1210 PR 209 / PR 210 77W MON/WED/FRI MNL-MEL 0630 MEL 0800
174 Flyjetstar : I might have missed this but have Tiger suspended PER-ADL? There website doesn't show it the route anymore either. Curious that they make a big annou
175 Post contains links Jetfuel : mmm According to thier destination map PER-ADL has vanished http://www.tigerairways.com/sg/en/destination_map.php
176 NZ107 : Yeah, it kinda shows what sort of failure they really are. I bet there are hundreds now stranded and they won't know about it until they arrive at th
177 Jetfuel : They are part owned by Ryanair. What do we expect. Reality is their customers are the people that used to fly on greyhound bus services. Some of thei
178 Post contains links and images QF175 : Folks, today we welcome Qatar Airways to Australia. QR 77L A7-BBA operated the inaugural service from Doha to Melbourne, touching down at about 21:59L
179 Post contains links Jetfuel : Qantas is griping about losses in it's frieght ops http://www.smh.com.au/business/qanta...lump-in-volumes-20091206-kcuq.html "Qantas's other main inve
180 Aussie18 : Qantas 5th & 6th A380's are now supposed to be due again by end of 2009,OQE on 20th & OQF just before 2010(around 28th-31st),If this does happen than
181 Smi0006 : QR031 left Melbourne on schedule last night with no delay an impressive feat considering all the marketing and media getting in the way. Lightish load
182 NZ107 : Very much so. It's quite busy in mid morning and I'd hate to be leaving MEL in peak hour. The security screening area needs expanding too. Are there
183 Smi0006 : Yes there are the are redoing the whole security customs area outbound, security will now be moived before customs, it will be in the area where the
184 NZ107 : That's good to know. At least any future ventures to Melbourne will be met with a better (and hopefully swifter) experience through Customs! Interest
185 Gemuser : Did you talk to the nice AQIS lady or were they not manned? Gemuser
186 6thfreedom : Must be chinese new year charters. Looks like it will be 4pw, and interestingly will be Jakarta non-stop in both directions rather than Bali. GA may
187 NZ107 : They were but maybe they give lenience to those who use the express (Smartgate) system (because they'd either be Kiwis or Aussies). The man just look
188 Sydscott : For AQIS, I've only be screened once coming back through Sydney Airport out of around 30 trips now. Whatever the Quarantine people are looking for if
189 NZ107 : I've noticed that over my last 3 international flights into SYD (all 3 from AKL), people who don't have anything to declare generally get to bypass c
190 Smi0006 : It depends its all based on risk assessment as a 21yo male I get screened every time simply because I fall into the high risk category, doesn't matte
191 NZ107 : Well I'm 20 to add to this discussion and Asian too for that matter so combining the two, wouldn't you think I'd be kinda higher risk than you? I'm g
192 28L28L : Does anyone know what happened to the Qflyer site? Can one still access that information? Cheers.
193 Airvan00 : I have just sent an email to the owner. Will let you know the answer.
194 Post contains links Ditzyboy : The address has changed slightly. It will redirect to the new one from the old main page address only, it seems. http://qflyer.icns.com.au/
195 AirbusA322 : Red-eye's to Perth have not been tested before, and they obviously wont need to be tested again. Numbers on the outbound were not bad, it was a midni
196 Ditzyboy : By who? Ansett did plenty of 2am PER-ADL over the years, on and off.
197 Alangirvan : The flights to HKT are just a very short season, to give the 77Ws something to do for a few weeks over the long holidays, I think. V Australia and Pa
198 ANstar : I heard loads were ok - they ce3rtainly seem to be sold out in some classes over christmas. ANyways, I guess it will take time to build the route, af
199 Sydscott : I'm a 31 year old WASP so maybe that helps? NZ107, as a Kiwi aren't you automatically cavity searched on your way in?.............Just kidding. It'll
200 Smi0006 : The load was about half full up the front and maybe 70% down the back, probably shouldn't give away exact figures but they are steadily building over
201 QF175 : Interesting, thanks for the information. Do also remember that Strategic Airlines plans to commence widebody A330-200 services from Brisbane to Bali
202 Smi0006 : QantasLink has announced future expanison with teh delivery of its two new Dash-8 400s, the 17th and 18th of a total 21 on order. MILDURA, 7 DECEMBER
203 Ben175 : Very interesting, would LOVE to see Qatar get here before EY. A bit reluctant to believe the proposed EK A380 service however.
204 Jbernie : Re AQIS: when we flew into SYD in May we went straight through, we declare stuff regardless to be safe and then it is just no farms, insulin, candy, b
205 NZ107 : Haha, wouldn't you Aussies just love that! I can sense the taxpayers' revolt over the cost blowout which would occur! I think all of us down under ma
206 JQFlightie : You can now book SYD-NAN on JQ
207 Post contains links JQFlightie : also.... JQ has released a huge expansion on the australian market... an extra 700000 seats annually.. http://www.etravelblackboard.com/showarticle.as
208 Ditzyboy : The Sydney- Sunshine coast will now operate 4 times daily and Melbourne- Sunshine coast will be increased to 17 daily services. e-travel Blackboard Wo
209 Ditzyboy : Later this month the airline will unleash its latest weapon on domestic trans-continental services - its first domestic A330-200 with video-on-demand
210 NZ107 : It'd make sense to so that they can keep uniformity within the JQ fleet.
211 AirbusA322 : I swear JQ did have 3 daily on MEL-NTL not long ago, someone correct me here, there were two evening departures at around 6pm/7pm from Newcastle which
212 NZ107 : Don't forget that if there's not enough interest, the IPO will not go ahead.
213 JQFlightie : yes was operated by HBA crew, it was a 2nd afternoon flight MEL-NTL-MEL and then MEL crew opertaed it something like 3-4 times a week, but will be go
214 Tayser : 17x daily MEL-MCY = lol. I'd say that's (one hell of a) typo and it's 17 weekly services.... 2x daily + 3x extra daily services.
215 Vhqpa : QF Group MCY schedule Effective 1 July 2010 SYD-MCY JQ780 Daily Dep 0710 Arr 0845 JQ782 Daily Dep 0845 Arr 1020 JQ788 Daily Dep 1350 Arr 1525 JQ790 Da
216 Post contains links QF175 : Australian Aviation Thread # 33 is up and running. Link
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