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Indian Aviation Thread: Part 84.  
User currently offlineJayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 16528 times:

Indian Aviation Thread: Part 83 (by Ojas Sep 3 2009 in Civil Aviation)

thread carried forward.


Air India Pilots PLI paid.
http://www.domain-b.com/aero/airlines/20091112_pilots_bristle.html


New Delhi: With a strike threat from the pilots union looming over its head, Air India management paid out a month's incentives and allowances to its 30,000 employees yesterday but has maintained arrears of two months. The pilots Guild has warned it will strike work from 24 November if their demands are not met by 20 November.

http://www.business-standard.com/ind...global-ops-puthold-for-now/375979/


Deccan Cargo's global ops put on hold for now.
G R Gopinath, who kickstarted his Deccan Cargo air services during May earlier this year, has put the international operations of the cargo ariline on hold even as the domestic operations kickstarted this week.

Deccan Cargo & Express Logistics kickstarted its international network on the Delhi-Mumbai-Chennai-Hong Kong route and was also connecting to Dubai. However, with cargo loads not reaching expected levels and having to recalibrate the network, the company has put its overseas network on hold for a while.

[Edited 2009-11-12 13:06:29 by srbmod]


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User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2919 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16452 times:

According to the GDS

China Eastern Airlines will terminate their daily CCU - KMG route effective summer 2010. AS of now they have a daily B737 service.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16361 times:

Back to back arrivals of VT-AIN & VT-AIO [Deccan 360 A310F] last night at BOM on stands #74 & 75 around 0315 & 0330hrs respectively.
Any idea about their schedule.
regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineJayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16357 times:

Air India may ground 650 flights per week

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...s-per-week/articleshow/5204785.cms
NEW DELHI: Air India may ground a quarter of its weekly flights, bring all its services to West Asian labor hubs under its no-frills subsidiary Air India and scrap a celebrated non-stop Mumbai-New York flight, as the cash-starved national carrier looks to tidy up its hangar ahead of an expected bailout package

edit
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ndu-flight/articleshow/5212556.cms

9W makes BOM-KTM Daily.

[Edited 2009-11-13 01:33:38 by jayeshrulz]


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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2125 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16349 times:

Why would AI only mention canceling the BOM-JFK non-stop when DEL-JFK was reported (by India Today, sorry I don't have a link) as losing far more than the BOM-JFK non-stop ? If the India Today numbers were correct and AI cancel BOM-JFK but not DEL-JFK then I smell the rat that DEL-JFK is being preserved solely to allow the Delhi-based government bureaucrats to continue to be able to take their boondoggles to NYC conveniently.


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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16332 times:

The sad thing is that IC/AI is still rather good on the DEL-BOM/CCU/MAA/BLR metro run, the 319/321's on the route all have IFE, the food is decent, pitch is great, the FFP sucks (I wanted *A so I could use LH M&M) and the air-hostesses might actually know what to do in an emergency rather than cry.
Pity really!



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User currently offlineFreqflyer From India, joined Apr 2006, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16330 times:

The Economic Times says that the Sun Media group has purcahsed Star Aviation.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ng-airline/articleshow/5224944.cms


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 16270 times:

Korean Air Cargo have stopped flying to DEL according to their website schedule.

User currently onlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 16264 times:



Quoting WestWing (Reply 4):
If the India Today numbers were correct and AI cancel BOM-JFK but not DEL-JFK then I smell the rat that DEL-JFK is being preserved solely to allow the Delhi-based government bureaucrats to continue to be able to take their boondoggles to NYC conveniently.

A small thing like discontinuation of a non-stop AI flight would not deter any govt official bent on blowing taxpayers money.....they would just fly on an alternate route....the reason for retaining the DEL-JFK flight would be something else, I'm sure.....


User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16248 times:



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 8):
A small thing like discontinuation of a non-stop AI flight would not deter any govt official bent on blowing taxpayers money.

They've turned a new leaf - they all fly Y now, didn't you hear?  Wink


And a new Indian threadstarter, huh? It's a new day.


User currently offlineJayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16234 times:



Quoting Tharanga (Reply 9):
And a new Indian threadstarter, huh? It's a new day.

yap.

Anyways how are PrivatAir loads of PNQ-FRA doing?

what are the fares?What is the traffic between these two loads?
tks!



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2125 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16115 times:

There is this ToI story about the DGCA directing airlines in India to start getting rid of their expat pilots. There are 578 expat pilots across all airlines, presumably most of them with captain-level certifications.

The article appears to suggest that first officers with 1500 hours experience are "ready" to step into the role of captain. I thought that ~ 5000 hours was typically the experience sought for captaincy.

So, is there an existing DGCA regulation that defines 1500 hrs as necessary and sufficient for captaincy?

I hope it is not a case of populist politics trumping safety considerations



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User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16113 times:

Indian domestic growth momentum continues in Oct-2009

http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...ic-traffic-soars-in-oct-2009/page1

Quote:
The Indian market has rebounded in the second half of this year, as the domestic economy remained strong. Despite some improvement in airline yields, domestic Indian air traffic continued its very powerful recovery in Oct-2009, with India’s Ministry of Civil Aviation (MoCA) reporting 27% growth in domestic passengers to 4.0 million in Oct-2009.



Quote:
Paramount was the only Indian carrier to report a decline in traffic for the month, with all other domestic carriers, both full service and low cost, increasing passenger traffic in excess of 23% in the month, led by GoAir (+187%), Kingfisher (+85%), SpiceJet (+65%), IndiGo (+34%), Air India (+31%), Jet Airways (+27%) and JetLite (+24%).

Among the LCCs, IndiGo had the highest domestic market share, at 13.6%, followed by SpiceJet (12.4%) and GoAir (5.4%), while a combined Jet Airways/Jet Lite, whose passenger levels fell last month due to its pilot strike, had a combined 27.7% market share, followed by Kingfisher Airlines followed at 20.7%. Air India also gained market share in the month, to 18.6%

Sounds great, however, the carriers should not start another fare war and kick themselves.


User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16109 times:



Quoting WestWing (Reply 11):
The article appears to suggest that first officers with 1500 hours experience are "ready" to step into the role of captain.

If they are competent enough then why not. Airlines will be happy to replace the expats who are presumably much expensive than their Indian counterparts.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16101 times:

The deccan 360 site does not show the schedule.anyone aware of it,as Two A310f keep transittng every night at BOM.Very poor loads currently though by the look of the cargo.
regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16104 times:

Passenger traffic increases at HYD

http://www.hindu.com/2009/11/13/stories/2009111353980400.htm

Quote:
The GMR Hyderabad International Airport Ltd has registered a steady growth of passenger traffic in the past few months, but was lagging behind New Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai and Bangalore airports.

Talking to reporters here on Thursday, CEO, GHIAL, P. Sripathy said there were signs of revival of economy with a 17 per cent growth in passenger volumes this October compared to the same period last year with 19 per cent increase in domestic and 11 per cent in international passengers. Also the passenger traffic grew by 11 per cent in October compared to its previous month (domestic-80 per cent, international 20 per cent).

Positive news, however the news regarding the increase in the UDF will be a big setback for the carriers.

GHIAL seeks permission from Centre for increasing UDF

http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/ghia...rom-centre-for-increasing-udf-8838

Quote:
Sources indicated that the GHIAL has asked for raising the UDF charges to Rs 2,700 for international passengers and around Rs 500 for domestic passengers to recover its investment made in the Greenfield airport in the wake of the recession. The Indian government had earlier permitted GHIAL to levy UDF of Rs 1,000 for international passengers and Rs 300 for domestic passengers.



User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2125 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16092 times:



Quoting Aviationbuff (Reply 13):
If they are competent enough then why not. Airlines will be happy to replace the expats who are presumably much expensive than their Indian counterparts.

Well my assumption was that the airlines have determined that the FOs are not competent enough. Otherwise, the airlines would have already replaced the expats with competent local pilots.

The private airlines don't need a government entity (DGCA) to tell them to do this, if there are indeed competent local pilots available, the airline would know it makes financial sense to hire locals instead of expats. But the DGCA seems to be in a struggle with the airlines on this matter. DGCA is "strongly encouraging" the airlines to get rid of expats, and the airlines are saying "we will still need 250 expats next year" and the DGCA is saying "that number is too high but we will review it".

Makes no sense to me if there is no shortage of competent local pilots.What other reason is there for the private airlines to want to hold on to expats if the expats are more expensive.



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User currently offlineJayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16093 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 16):
Well my assumption was that the airlines have determined that the FOs are not competent enough. Otherwise, the airlines would have already replaced the expats with competent local pilots.

The private airlines don't need a government entity (DGCA) to tell them to do this, if there are indeed competent local pilots available, the airline would know it makes financial sense to hire locals instead of expats. But the DGCA seems to be in a struggle with the airlines on this matter. DGCA is "strongly encouraging" the airlines to get rid of expats, and the airlines are saying "we will still need 250 expats next year" and the DGCA is saying "that number is too high but we will review it".

Makes no sense to me if there is no shortage of competent local pilots.What other reason is there for the private airlines to want to hold on to expats if the expats are more expensive.

i will love to disagree word by word.
The expat pilots are quite old now.they were picked up because a few years back,there was a shortage of Indian pilots here.
Secondly with 5 new airlines coming up a few yrs back and the salary being increased,there are more new Indian pilots and less jobs now.So the DGCA(Government) has told the airline to remove the expats and put in more Indian pilots so that we a more of a chance.And this is absolutely right IMHO.1500 hrs is more than enough.
And the airlines are not stupid enough to hire expats, infact the pilots union is not allowing the airlines to hire expats since July 2008(insider news), like 9W and Spicejet and AI.The salary of expats are higher agreed,but they do the same job as the one on the right seat does, efficiently.

And if the airlines dont hire indians, how will they expect us to make 1500 hrs?
There are a lots of competent and better FO's and Captains compared to expats because there are more strict regulations and trainings in India to sustain as a pilot.
So in short,there is no difference between a Indian Pilot and A Expat in terms of competition. 

Please correct me if i ain't right.  Smile
EDIT :-
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Ai...-aid-broken-in-instalments/540864/
Air India aid broken in instalments

To ensure Air India sticks to a time-bound turnaround programme, the government today decided to release funds to the cash-strapped state-owned carrier Nacil on a monthly basis instead of handing out bulk amounts.

[Edited 2009-11-14 03:41:16 by jayeshrulz]


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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2125 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16065 times:



Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 17):
i will love to disagree word by word.

I'm sorry I do not understand your response (disagreement) at all.

The facts are:

(a) the expat pilots are paid higher salaries than locals ; BUT despite this
(b) the private airlines have NOT let go of all expats as the DGCA would like them to.

So why have the private airlines not terminated / fired / laid-off all their expat pilots?

I do not know anything about flying an airplane. However, I do know a few things about running a private business. From a business standpoint I do not understand why private airlines in India would not let go of all their expensive expat pilots if competent local replacements were available. My hypothesis is that the reason is that managements of private airlines are not satisfied with the quality of available local talent as a suitable replacement.

So what is it about what I am saying that you are disagreeing with?



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User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15859 times:

Air India A330 to Jeddah

Source: Airlineroute

As per Amadeus timetable display on 17NOV09, Air India’s service to Jeddah is to be operated by Airbus A330-200 starting 02JAN10. Service replace Boeing 777-200.

Planned Jan 2010 operation to Jeddah as follows:

3 weekly Delhi – Jeddah
2 weekly Hyderbad – Jeddah
5 weekly Kochi – Kozhikode – Jeddah
4 weekly Mumbai – Jeddah (mix of 777 and 330 in Jan 2010)

AI's service to Jeddah was switched to 772 from 744 on 20th Oct 2009.


User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15824 times:

Air India begins Kuwait Air codeshare to NY

Source: Airlineroute

ROUTE AI Codesharing KU Operating
London Heathrow – New York JFK AI6335 KU101
New York JFK – London Heathrow AI6336 KU102


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15824 times:



Quoting WestWing (Reply 4):
If the India Today numbers were correct and AI cancel BOM-JFK but not DEL-JFK then I smell the rat that DEL-JFK is being preserved solely to allow the Delhi-based government bureaucrats to continue to be able to take their boondoggles to NYC conveniently.



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 8):
A small thing like discontinuation of a non-stop AI flight would not deter any govt official bent on blowing taxpayers money.....they would just fly on an alternate route....the reason for retaining the DEL-JFK flight would be something else, I'm sure.....

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Maybe because the DEL-JFK flight is now going to IAD (well from dec 1st) and they want to see how that goes for them. IMO, they should just shift the flight to IAD w/o the JFK stop.



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2125 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15768 times:



Quoting Mk777 (Reply 21):
Maybe because the DEL-JFK flight is now going to IAD (well from dec 1st) and they want to see how that goes for them. IMO, they should just shift the flight to IAD w/o the JFK stop.

Is there a reason why IAD-DEL traffic (especially business class) would be significantly more than IAD-PEK ? If not, then one would think that it would be difficult for AI to make a non-stop IAD-DEL profitable. I use PEK as an example because United have been unable to sustain a daily IAD-PEK non-stop flight despite the fact that (a) DC has a huge number of UA 1K and UA GS elite flyers, (b) IAD is the UA hub for the eastern USA and (c) UA satisfies the Fly America requirements for US Govt. travel. All strong reasons for DC residents to travel on UA if going to PEK.



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User currently onlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 15741 times:



Quoting WestWing (Reply 22):
Is there a reason why IAD-DEL traffic (especially business class) would be significantly more than IAD-PEK ? If not, then one would think that it would be difficult for AI to make a non-stop IAD-DEL profitable. I use PEK as an example because United have been unable to sustain a daily IAD-PEK non-stop flight despite the fact that (a) DC has a huge number of UA 1K and UA GS elite flyers, (b) IAD is the UA hub for the eastern USA and (c) UA satisfies the Fly America requirements for US Govt. travel. All strong reasons for DC residents to travel on UA if going to PEK.

Well, people tend to hook on to the government thing, whenever one talks about DEL or IAD....as far as DEL is concerned, it is the main international gateway for North India......there is a huge population of Indian origin people in USA and Canada, who hail from N.India.....they would mostly prefer to fly in and out of DEL, rather than BOM.....the Delhi area is also a highly industrialised area, with several large Indian and multinational firms and a considerably large IT and outsourcing industry........all this, over and above the govt to govt traffic between these two cities.....


User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2125 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 15722 times:

Gr8Circle: I was not fixated on governmental travel. I was talking about all travel including personal and commercial business travel. I do know that there is a large population of people of Indian origin in the DC area, but there is an even larger population of people from mainland-China.

It was mentioned by someone (Behramji(?)) on one of these threads that the BTS statistics show that the IAD-DEL traffic is currently 60 passengers per day. Having seen the United IAD-PEK flights boarding when they were operating, there were definitely more than 60 passengers on those flights. This is in 2009 after the Olympics were a distant memory.

So, I don't know whether an IAD-DEL non-stop would have a greater yield than IAD-PEK non-stop.
United have marginal yields on IAD-PEK non-stop.



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25 Tharanga : also, Gr8 only addressed the DEL side. That side is fine. It's the IAD side we're questioning, I think - how can IAD-DEL possibly be a better idea tha
26 Jayeshrulz : What hpnd to the 747's heard they were to be used for Haj, and after that? They were to be exited in 2016 IIRC..... i dint get a chance still to fly i
27 Golfradio : Are you really saying that FOs with just 1500 hours should be allowed to upgrade? And then fill those slots with ab initio pilots in the right seat?
28 Behramjee : DEL IAD will only work nonstop if a code share with UA on this sector is in place and AI has its code on key UA operated domestic flights from IAD al
29 Jayeshrulz : No i'm saying 1500 is mandatory to get a job man! I dont expect any airlines now atleast to get a pilot with just 300 Hrs! got my point
30 WestWing : In the USA, union contracts guarantee FOs 60-75 flight hours/month at the majors. So a full-time FO (USA) might rack-up 1500 hours in less than two ye
31 Cricket : With combined losses of Rs 8557.37 crore in the fiscal 2008-09 (DGCA data out yesterday), people who have got CPL's should really be crossing their fi
32 Leftwing : its going to be tuff love for the CPLs... for the next 5-6 yrs
33 Cricket : Wake up, wake up people, too quiet here right now. Though that said, sometimes no news is good news.
34 WestWing : There was "news" that Praful Patel confirmed that AI had deferred delivery of 77Ws to 2011 and their 787s "beyond contracted delivery period". I do no
35 Post contains links Lightsaber : 5,000 hours used to be typical for the Left seat. At certain fast growing airlines, the number was reduced. Here is a pilot discussion on JetBlue's m
36 WestWing : Yes, as I said in my earlier post (#30 above), in the USA a full time FO could fly 1500 hours in two years. I think, as you do, that most major airli
37 Post contains images Jayeshrulz : No no...i'm saying that to get a job as a FO, 1500 is needed as the qualification everywhere. The point i'm trying to say that airlines now keeping 1
38 Golfradio : I don't know why but it really does not come as a surprise to me. The DGCA to me is a joke. It is exactly like the local R.T.O which is in charge of
39 WestWing : I outlined my logic in post 16 above. You responded to this post with your "I will love to disagree word by word" post and I responded to your "disag
40 Post contains links Golfradio : Does anybody know the status of the A320/321 orders by 6E? They had ordered a 100 in 2005 and from this site http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders
41 Lightsaber : Ah, that makes sense (hence why I asked, it wasn't clear to me, but that could just be me). Unfortunately, that is the tough part. In the USA, they t
42 WestWing : For those not aware, 6E is now the code for Indigo - they were the ones who ordered 100 Airbuses. As Lightrsaber says, the mouse-over for 6E says Braa
43 Post contains links Colts001 : Interesting Statistics on Indian Civil aviation, below is the link to the original http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=54547 Major Milestones
44 Jayeshrulz : I am SORRYY!! My bulb just lit up!! i got your point.you are saying.."why dint all the airlines remove the expats before" As simple...right..? i'm so
45 Lightsaber : Thank you. That is why Indian aviation will be exciting for decades. More growth! That is an important point. Air travel is its own industry, but its
46 777way : Did Indian PM take Air India 744 on his trip to US and Trinidad?
47 Jayeshrulz : yes.he did...VT-ESM....747-437
48 Gr8Circle : I thought the 744 fleet was retired a month ago....did they keep this one for this trip...? What were the crew doing all these days? So, where are th
49 Jayeshrulz : Yes they were retired from comm service, but kept them for Hajj and The Gov will have VT-ESM till 2016 as the pvt fleet, the 744 will be always as a
50 Cricket : There are two Kingfisher aircraft parked with cockpits, engines and wheels covered in foil on opposite ends of the new tarmac in DEL. VT-KFM (319) and
51 CaliAtenza : ill be flying on an IT flight come this january, from BOM to BLR. What can i expect on this route? this is my first time on IT .
52 Jayeshrulz : A320
53 777way : The one that was involved in the engine burnout at BOM, used for official trip?
54 Gr8Circle : So, will this plane be staffed and maintained by IAF personnel or AI...? What about the pilots...? I think storing planes, especially ones that are s
55 WestWing : A news story at the start of the Indian PM's trip said he would fly to the USA on "Agra" call-sign "Air India 1". If the story was accurate in identi
56 Post contains links Jayeshrulz : thanks. He used to travel in tanjore before here is the link http://www.cbnews1.info/manmohan-sin...l-in-air-india-one-agra/51036.html Edit PS:-it te
57 WestWing : The highlighted part is utter nonsense(*), and because of this I would doubt the accuracy of anything else in the same story that you cited. The Indi
58 Post contains links WestWing : Air India today inaugurated their scheduled services to Dulles. Here are the inaugural flight legs JFK to IAD and IAD to JFK on FlightAware. They both
59 Jayeshrulz : Thank you thank you!!!! Well in the latter article, it says the previous a/c, Tanjore, has modified cabins? true or false? Acc to me, F! And its good
60 WestWing : The author of the latter article says that "Tanjore" is a "Boeing 737-400". Can you see why one might be skeptical about the accuracy of anything els
61 Vimanav : it is indeed VT-EVA, Agra that the PM's used for his trip to the USA. brgds//Vimanav
62 Nimish : I can't believe they're actually doing this!! Well - good luck to AI in trying to make money with this extension...
63 Jayeshrulz : IIRC,Indian Gov has no 734.
64 Post contains links Tharanga : check pilot messes with aircraft in flight. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...Jet-flight/articleshow/5290059.cms I'd like to see this from an avi
65 Gr8Circle : Tanjore was one of the original AI 744's.....I should know, as it was the first 744 I flew on, back in the 90's ....
66 Mk777 : Do you have pictures??? or anyone from the inaugural service??
67 Comorin : This deserves a separate thread, so if you don't mind, I'll do the honours....
68 WestWing : Sorry, I was too lazy to go to Dulles yesterday, though it was a clear crisp day perfect for photography. Based on acarsd logs, the inaugural aircraf
69 Mk777 : Thanks for the info, next time you spotting, take me along....and yes it was perfect weather for spotting at IAD yesterday.
70 Post contains links Contrails67 : Will the flight and cabin crew change when it initially arrives at IAD or will they change at JFK? Are passengers headed to JFK willing to wait so lon
71 HAWK21M : Has the Deccan 360 ATRs arrived yet. regds MEL.
72 Cricket : Weren't they ex-Air Deccan 42's - two of the planes were laid up at HAL airport before the move. I'm sure they must have come but from what I hear Go
73 Gr8Circle : I read on ToI that BOM was closed for a few hours due to fog.....started quite early this year.....? Going to be a long "fog" season ahead.....
74 Ourboeing : I am so super excited about the IAD-DEL-IAD flight. I am flying them in July 2010 if they are still flying this route. Does anyone know how long is th
75 Ojas : You will have to deplane in JFK when traveling DEL-IAD, do your immigration in JFK itself. IAD - DEL you need not deplane. Layover would be 1.5 hours
76 HAWK21M : Have they been Freighter converted yet? What time was this. regds MEL....
77 WestWing : Are you 100% sure about this? I thought security protocols would require the through passengers to get off with their hand baggage, and a security sw
78 Post contains links Anshuk : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...passengers/articleshow/5316545.cms Quote: "Some flights returned to BIA, taking a U-turn in mid-air, causing pa
79 Anshuk : BOM-BLR-BOM is IT's flagship route. You can expect great service, an aircraft (A320) in prime condition and lots of pretty FA's
80 Contrails67 : Perhaps, I am wrong but I thought that all international flights that stop initially in the US, even if you are a transit passenger, must clear custom
81 Ourboeing : That will be a turnoff for people wanting to fly AI to India. Are they thinking of a direct flight to IAD instead? OURBOEING
82 WestWing : There is no question about DEL-JFK-IAD. Ojas said the same thing. But, Ojas also said that IAD-JFK-DEL passengers need not deplane at JFK. I was ques
83 Abrelosojos : = I don't think so in this case as none of the pax (and their hand bags) get off at JFK. AI does not have cabotage on the flight. Saludos, A.
84 Post contains links Flyhigh@tom : 9W B777 incident http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=113006§ionid=3510212 Apparently a B777 of Jet airways from London to Mumbai had to make an u
85 Anshuk : " target=_blank>http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...10212 Quote from article: "The airliner, which had 370 passengers, took off at 11:45 a.m. (081
86 Post contains links AirIndia : The only reason they diverted to THR could be becoz IR has their maintainenece there this was in avherald on Dec 6th. It mentions there were 270 pax a
87 Gr8Circle : If you look at a map of the region, I think Tehran was the best place to land, if there was an emergency situation...
88 HAWK21M : Any details on the snag. regds MEL.
89 Ourboeing : Please only take this as a joke- The toilets were overflowing That could be very easily rectified in Tehran OURBOEING
90 Ourboeing : This is usually the case on all flights heading to the homeland
91 Jayeshrulz : Please tell me what happened of the Ai's 747. they were supposed to be retd in 2016 but were removed unexpectedly from service 15-17 of oct. Please te
92 Post contains links Aviationbuff : I see them frequently in JED operating Haj flights. Indian Air Force will be buying 3 used 747-437 from Air-India Indian Air Force To Buy Used 744's
93 CaliAtenza : sounds good to me . I have a Skywards membership, i hope i can get miles on this flight.
94 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Air Mauritius to introduce second flight from New Delhi in April 2010 http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/air-...-from-new-delhi-in-april-2010-9095
95 Post contains links Aviationbuff : GoI decides to introduce Visa-on-Arrival scheme early next year for tourists from five countries http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/goi-...-tourists-from
96 Post contains links Rajrs : Air India gets extension to join Star Alliance http://www.financialexpress.com/news...nsion-to-join-Star-Alliance/553106 Again new dates. Rajs.
97 Post contains links Aviationbuff : India estimates $120 billion in aviation investment by 2020 http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ion-in-aviation-investment-by.html Other highlights
98 HAWK21M : I heard it was a Fuel system related snag. regds MEL.
99 WestWing : What can one say about the fact that NACIL, based in the very same country that the rest of the world considers the prime destination for information
100 Cricket : The convoluted government tender process has meant that none of the biggies are willing to bid, so...
101 Gr8Circle : Haha....just this morning I was reading an article in the Economist that mentions that most of the big Indian IT companies derive less than 10% of th
102 Hohd : There are so many IT guys and companies in India, AI/IC can pick and choose. You do not need biggies to do this integration. If it was not for the bur
103 Post contains images Anshuk : I was at DEL on Sunday and saw one of AI's 747's at the apron (sorry, didn't get the registration}. It was a pleasure   Later, I saw her take to the
104 Post contains links and images WestWing : Did it look something like this? View Large View MediumPhoto © Sneeze Lam
105 Anshuk : That was it, that was it! Thank you, WestWing. Is it possible that they operated a 777 Freighter into DEL? Cheers
106 Cricket : SQ is increasing frequency to BOM and DEL back to 14x weekly from 11x at present from March and June 2010 respectively. I met up with the folks at SQ
107 WestWing : Yes. AeroLogic, earlier this year, began operating a regular LEJ-DEL-SIN run. I assume they still are.
108 HAWK21M : Aerologic.....Tie up between LH & DHL. regds MEL.
109 Colts001 : what about the day flight to MAA that was suspended?
110 Cricket : They have only specified DEL and BOM No indication even for ATQ where they pulled out of earlier in 2009. I doubt MAA will see an increase until Wint
111 15A : 9W starts DEL-DOH daily direct 21st Jan 2010 9W 554 DEL 1950 DOH 2150 9W 553 DOH 2250 DEL 0500 (+1)
112 Nimish : Cool - I'm sure they'll do well. Makes a lot of sense and follows the practice at other airports. I think BOM now uses the updated LH lounge as the *
113 WestWing : Dinesh Keskar of Boeing India was quoted in a recent interview as saying that there are only ten Boeing deliveries planned for India in 2010. These ar
114 Anshuk : Thanks for your replies guys, appreciate it.
115 Freqflyer : Twice this week I have seen an ATR 72 with the logo "swift" and with dark pink and gray stripes starting from the tail and curving forward and taperin
116 Colts001 : Lufthansa is reducing FRA-HYD to 3 flights per week from the current 5 flights per week from March 30.
117 Post contains links Jayeshrulz : http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2546/3795708320_ba59cdc76e.jpg was it this one? Maybe it is leased from some Indian airline....and is operating behalf
118 Aviationbuff : Very sad......after KLM suspended the services it was anticipated that LH and AF will benefit, however, it looks like that the middle-eastern carrier
119 Jayeshrulz : Quite true. This is because EK has a strong hold over the Indian Markets atm. They offer many connections to the India-DXB-World. Almost everywhere.!
120 Nimish : This is really sad for HYD - one of the best/prettiest airports in the country... And at 3x/week, it's not going to be very business friendly. And I
121 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Jet to lease 3 777s to Royal Brunei Royal Brunei Getting Jet's 777W (by 777way Dec 19 2009 in Civil Aviation) Some badly needed revenue for 9W
122 Ojas : QR to start daily BLR flights from feb 22 QR 226 DOH - BLR 2100 0335+1 4H5MINS QR 227 BLR - DOH 0435 0640 4HRS35MINS DAILY A320 connections to the who
123 Cricket : I noticed the crashed Kingfisher ATR 72 on the runway ( side at BOm when I landed. And like DEL, there were a couple of unused Kingfisher/Deccan 320's
124 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Air India to operate additional flights to Port Blair, Goa effective December 23, 2009 http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/air-...oa-effective-december-23
125 Freqflyer : Yes, thats the one - or similar. I got the colours upside down. But who operates it? It seems to be a scheduled flight as I saw it at almost the same
126 Anshuk : That's BRILLIANT. I've been waiting for this to happen for a long time
127 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Air Mauritius doubles Delhi service from Mar 10 http://airlineroute.net/2009/12/22/mk-mrudel/ Air Mauritius from 27MAR10 increases Mauritius – Delhi
128 Cricket : Pity it is a 330, Air Mauritius used to have one of the few 767's operating regularly into DEL only Aeroflot now operates regular 767 services into D
129 HAWK21M : Are the Deccan360 A310s still flying domestically. regds MEL.
130 Post contains links AirIndia : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...air-travel/articleshow/5365929.cms by free do they mean it is charged to the govt (tax payer) or to the airline
131 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Air Arabia unveils exclusive holiday package to GOA http://middleeastaviation.aero/news/...unveils+exclusive+package+holidays Good for Goa tourism....
132 Cricket : They do quite aggressively at that - inbound international toursim is heavily promoted by AI but the Incredible India campaign has also worked with E
133 Tharanga : in the end, what's the difference?
134 WestWing : The last of the B738s ordered for AI Express was delivered this week. VT-AYD for anyone interested. With this delivery, there should now be 25 beautif
135 WestWing : I'm confused about something. In the linked article it says "This brings the Ministers on par with the facilities given to MPs". So, evidently, MPs a
136 Comorin : Even More Brilliant is EK with its daytime flights to BLR returning to DXB at a civilized hour. I really wanted to try QR from NYC - BLR but I've had
137 HAWK21M : The plan is to return the leased ones. Any site hosting the Tails of AIX craft. regds MEL.
138 Golfradio : IIRC, a minister need not be an elected member of parliament. S/he can be nominated for a ministerial post by the Prime Minister. Such a post will no
139 Cricket : See some people have the same perks as Cab Ministers though are not members of the Union Ministry - keep in mind all Ministers per se in the Union Co
140 Post contains links Golfradio : The design and construction of Bangalore International Airport is being questioned. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/House-panel-indi
141 Tharanga : if they wanted the "culture and glory" of Karnataka depicted, they could have spoken up before now, no?
142 Comorin : It's a big improvement from the old cowshed HAL run airport which indeed reflected the glory of Karnataka's mosquitoes. First they wanted a modern in
143 Blr380 : I've used BLR several times and have found it to be one of the most efficient airports in India. Many times better than the old one. However, I alway
144 Comorin : I really like BIAL and have been following it over the many years of its construction. It is an efficient operation and I hope that it will eventuall
145 Post contains links Golfradio : Just saw this article. Now that explains the reason for the opposition. The inside story: Defogging Bangalore International Airport's turbulence Now
146 Cricket : Frankly my only issue with BIAL is that it doesn't have a Smoking Lounge. But yes, after travelling to both BLR and HYD, the latter is the better airp
147 Ojas : According to the GDS 9W will terminate COK - KWI from January 21st. Maybe the same aircraft will be used to launch DEL - DOH. That leaves with the fol
148 HAWK21M : Hopefully 2010 will be a good year for Aviation especially Indian Aviation. regds MEL.
149 Post contains links Babumushai : Maa airport under major runway work: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...for-90-min/articleshow/5371488.cms awating the NOTAM.
150 Jayeshrulz : Is CX terminating BOM-DXB? I read it in one of the threads.Damn i got vouchers for Su10.Idk will i be ever able to use them....
151 Cricket : 9W's Gulf expansion seems to have petered out a bit, especially to KWI also CCJ has been withdrawn from kerala. I wonder if this is a direct result o
152 Asiaflyer : Isn't Kingfisher offering an extensive holiday service with flights and accommodation?
153 AirIndia : dint get your arguement on this one......... 2 points that come to my mind: - 9W does not compete with the likes of EK EY because most traffic on the
154 Rameshksm : Couldn't agree more. And for this reason, EK will remain my preferred carrier to MAA
155 Cricket : The reason for the 9W downgrade is because the 332 is being redeployed to SE Asia. Admittedly, most of EK and EY traffic is onward, but 9W has a full
156 Anshuk : As Golfradio said, a person can be nominated to a ministerial post by the PM, even if s/he is not a MP. However, that person has to get elected as a
157 Post contains links Jayeshrulz : Air India drops no-frill service; to focus on Air India Express: CMD http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...xpress-CMD/articleshow/5405851.cms MUMBAI:
158 Ojas : The CX709/750 run doing a 3 weekly BOM - BKK - HKG will be downgraded from the B773 to an A333 from summer 2010. That should be an approximate downgra
159 Tharanga : I don't understand this statement. Because the customer wants to be on-time, he looks for low fares?
160 Jayeshrulz : Its utter BS. I truly did not understand it. Is he saying the LCCs are on time unlike AI who is FSC and delays almost every flight? On time performan
161 Tharanga : Let's assume he misspoke, and not waste brain cells trying to decipher. Words don't always come out of the mouth in the right order.
162 Anshuk : Honestly speaking, I haven't found there to be too much of a price between FSC's and LCC's in India. A few hundred rupees here and there. I flew S2 DE
163 Jayeshrulz : S2 was a FSC.Service was far excellent.Better than 9W.I flew with them 2 sectors, Kolkata-BOM(733)..my first domestic flight and BOM-DEL(738). 9W was
164 Anshuk : I've done 6 flights in S2 apart from this, the last being 2006. BLR-BOM-BLR -> twice and BLR-DEL-BLR -> once. They were never ever good. Their fares
165 Golfradio : As late as last year I have flown with IC with fares about at least a thousand INR less than 6E. Last summer I flew 9W at a fare lower than SG. Thoug
166 Post contains links Ojas : From April for the first time ever there will be an LCC operating between India and Saudi Arabia. Nas Air of KSA will operate a daily service between
167 Post contains links Aviationbuff : You missed something here...... which is unusual. You were always prompt and accurate particularly about middle-east (Gulf) routes/airlines/equipment
168 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Spicejet leaves flyers high and dry http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...gh-and-dry/articleshow/5431722.cms quite unprofessional on part of Spicejet
169 Ojas : My bad, just completely missed that. It should be the first LCC between Saudi And Kerala.
170 777way : Didnt Sama operate to BOM for a while?
171 Anshuk : Hmm, if the story is completely accurate, indeed extremely unprofessional on their part.
172 AirIndia : Why no AIX service to KSA?
173 Post contains links Aviationbuff : What is happening with them ..... Its SpiceJet again http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...-in-Mumbai/articleshow/5434856.cms
174 Cricket : Spicejet has been having pretty bizarre issues of late - I know they lost a lot of ground personnel to Indigo but both the cases could have been handl
175 LeftWing : ... its a clear sign no motivation in the staff... could be due poor T&C or poor management skills... on days like this is when the STAFF really make
176 HAWK21M : Decision making personnell are needed in such senarios to act instantly. regds MEL.
177 Cricket : I know there have been no stories on this but has Spicejet been paying salaries on time? Or have they been cutting back drastically on people? Maybe
178 HAWK21M : Anyone having a list on Indian company Owned Unscheduled Aircraft operating in the country.I know the DGCA website lists the VT- ones....I'm looking f
179 Ourboeing : Well, DEL-IAD sector will do very well in my opinion if it is non-stop. There is a large Indian population in the DC area, where I happen to live plus
180 Cricket : I think the DGCA is very strict on unscheduled ops inside India by foreign-registered birds. Foreign companies whose CEO's jet around India on their
181 Post contains links Tharanga : United may break guitars, but only Air India has the special skill needed to break sarod. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...aged-sarod/articlesho
182 Post contains links Ojas : 9W to start BOM - JNB ahead of the FIFA world cup http://www.livemint.com/2010/01/1422...et-Airways-set-to-take-its-fl.html
183 Anshuk : I wonder if they would have apologised this profusely if it wasn't the Ustad himself.. Also, I wanted to ask some of the more informed members here -
184 Post contains links Aviationbuff : MAS Engineering to service SpiceJet's B737s http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ng-to-service-spicejets-b737s.html
185 Post contains links Cricket : What apology - the AI/IC spokesperson seemed quite unrepentant. And the fact remains that IC has its own ground-handling at most airports. Mint today
186 Aviationbuff : This is too hilarious ... cannot stop ....
187 AirIndia : compete with flydubai? thats news
188 Ojas : With the reputation Indigo has, they ought to start all these international destinations to the Gulf and offer customers reliable service and value fr
189 AirIndia : I am sure they are waiting in the wings... literally. An order of 100 A320s surely must have untl sectors. Among all LCCs in India, Indigo is the bes
190 Jayeshrulz : I agree.Probably SG(Spicejet) is way too good too. Indigo is next though... And I haven't heard about MDLR Airlines lately.How are the only Bae-146 o
191 Post contains links LAXDESI : BIAL gets nod for second terminal. How's the road to the airport coming along? http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...d-terminal/articleshow/5478142.c
192 Anshuk : That's really good! But I don't understand, the present capacity of the terminal is 11million+. It says in the article that capacity will increase to
193 Anshuk : What is the correct IATA code for SpiceJet? SG shows as Jetsgo on this thread. Pretty weird.
194 Anshuk : Jetlite =
195 Ojas : It is SG, and Jetlite is S2
196 Comorin : For little people, maybe? Seriously, this is good news - building something before capacity is reached. Again, airports are designed for peak capacit
197 Anshuk : Thought as much, got a little confused with a.net showing Jetsgo! Yup, L&T sold their stake to GVK. Not sure about Siemens though, I think they're st
198 AirIndia : Last heard they had suspended operations w/e 5th Nov '09.
199 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Bangalore Airport to begin work on second terminal http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...begin-work-on-second-terminal.html Good news ..... Probably
200 Cricket : 15m going to 36m? Doubt it. This seems to be a full-fledged new terminal. Hopefully they'll put a smoking room in this one!
201 777way : Aerosvit restarting DEL from 19 April.
202 Anshuk : Another exotic for DEL!
203 Post contains links Golfradio : Kingfisher Airlines Q3 net loss is INR 4.2 Billion. It's operational revenues too have declined by almost INR 1 billion. This is when Q3 was supposedl
204 Vimanav : They went belly up in SEP IIRC... There are no BAe 146 operators in India. MDLR operated the Avro RJs. Now Jagson is going to pick up those planes in
205 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Thread carried forward here ...... Indian Aviation Thread: Part 85. (by Aviationbuff Jan 23 2010 in Civil Aviation)[Edited 2010-01-23 01:38:42 by avia
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