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Porter Announces Seasonal YTZ-MYR  
User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1737 posts, RR: 9
Posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4648 times:

Porter announced 2x weekly service between YTZ and MYR today. Flights are for the winter/spring season to bring Canadians to the beach, with flights set to commence February 2, 2010 and service terminating for the season on May 30, 2010. On the YTZ end, these flights will connect with service to YOW, YUL, YQB, and YTM (the article does not mention connections to YQT).

The press release from Porter is below:
http://www.flyporter.com/en/press2009.aspx?id=101

Interesting move, I'm sure I'm in the majority when I say I expected a DC-area airport to be the next service to the states for PD. However, I'm sure Porter will be able to attract enough snowbirds to make 2x weekly flights to MYR successful.

[Edited 2009-11-12 12:12:36 by srbmod]

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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

Strange didn't see this coming.....on a Q400 how long is the flight a buck 45 ish?


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User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1737 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 1):
Strange didn't see this coming.....on a Q400 how long is the flight a buck 45 ish?

PD has it blocked at 2:20 both directions.

To be more specific, the flights are scheduled on Thursdays and Sundays both directions.

Thursdays
PD 701 YTZ 09:30 MYR 11:50
PD 702 MYR 12:20 YTZ 14:40

Sundays
PD 701 YTZ 08:30 MYR 10:50
PD 702 MYR 11:20 YTZ 12:40

It would appear that the Sunday flight schedule is adjusted to maximize connectivity at YTZ given PD's reduced weekend service.

[Edited 2009-11-12 14:34:14 by srbmod]

User currently offlineElBandGeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

Given the length of the YTZ runway, I'd have to imagine this would end up being weight restricted southbound. I know they can generally get away with using the Q400s there because most routes aren't that long, but this is pushing it a bit.

User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4334 times:



Quoting ElBandGeek (Reply 3):
I'd have to imagine this would end up being weight restricted southbound.

Forgot all about that...this to me is just a testing the waters thing....all the flights in stages this long will be restricted out of YTZ anyway...



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User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4267 times:

MYR attracts a lot of golfers. Between fuel, runway length, and golf clubs, there's gonna be a serious passenger restriction.....

User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2897 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4190 times:

Is MYR really worthwhile when cities like Philadelphia, Washington, even Detroit would likely see more (and more profitable) traffic? I guess this is just a way to use an otherwise idle aircraft??


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User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1737 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4042 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 6):
Is MYR really worthwhile when cities like Philadelphia, Washington, even Detroit would likely see more (and more profitable) traffic? I guess this is just a way to use an otherwise idle aircraft??

I would assume it is to utilize spare aircraft time while trying out a new type of market. After all, the aircraft time allocated to YTZ-MYR obviously would not be nearly sufficient to serve one of those major business destinations. I imagine as more aircraft come online, we will see more business markets in the USA added (presumably YTZ-DCA is a priority).


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3841 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 6):
Is MYR really worthwhile when cities like Philadelphia, Washington, even Detroit would likely see more (and more profitable) traffic? I guess this is just a way to use an otherwise idle aircraft??

Don't worry, PHL and DCA are coming... Smile

According to this article, it will be in Spring 2010:

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...airlines-adds-myrtle-beach-sc.aspx



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3797 times:



Quoting Steex (Reply 2):
PD has it blocked at 2:20 both directions.

As this is a winter flight, wouldn't some of the time be for possible de-icing...? So, when the weather is clear, what do flights do..? Leave a bit later or arrive early at destination....?


User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3779 times:
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Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 6):
Is MYR really worthwhile when cities like Philadelphia, Washington, even Detroit would likely see more (and more profitable) traffic? I guess this is just a way to use an otherwise idle aircraft??

Great way to add a "snow bird" flight with the current equipment and schedule. But I do agree with you that PHL, WAS and DTW are better candidates for new service.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23224 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3758 times:



Quoting Steex (Reply 7):
I imagine as more aircraft come online, we will see more business markets in the USA added (presumably YTZ-DCA is a priority).

The problem with DCA is the lack of preclearance at YTZ. In Chicago and New York, this isn't a problem, as the downtown airports have FIS.



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User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1737 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3719 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
The problem with DCA is the lack of preclearance at YTZ. In Chicago and New York, this isn't a problem, as the downtown airports have FIS.

Though concrete information is difficult to find on the subject, the general word has been that PD is pushing for preclearance and it is expected to be set up for Fall 2010. It makes sense given that YTZ will have by far the most transborder seats of all the Canadian airports without preclearance.

I suspect PD has been holding off on DC-area service until they can get preclearance in place and fly YTZ-DCA. Given their niche, I think they know DCA is by far the preferable Washington airport - after all, if the goal is to steal challenge AC by being convenient to downtown Toronto, they're at best getting a wash if they offer YTZ-IAD/BWI against AC's YYZ-DCA. In the mean time, they can continue to add other destinations (in Canada and USA) as their additional birds come online.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23224 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3700 times:



Quoting Steex (Reply 12):
Though concrete information is difficult to find on the subject, the general word has been that PD is pushing for preclearance and it is expected to be set up for Fall 2010.

I've heard that too.

The other problem at DCA (and LGA, for that matter) is slot availability.



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User currently offlineAAMD11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

They're due to accept two more aircraft imminently... C-GLQR was recently accepted (a/c number 16) and C-GLQV (17) is nearing readiness at the manufacturer. The additional planes already in the fleet will be used to increase BOS and EWR service starting this weekend (BOS will now get an overnight plane, and EWR will get another late morning rotation - the flights could probably all be operated by the same a/c... although that'll be a very lightly used aircraft if true).

C-GLQX isn't far off either... that one will be in place for late November, ahead of the YQB increase. Then, the final two will be delivered early 2010 (allowing more new routes to be added).

MYR has been rumoured ever since David Wilkins joined the board earlier this year. Apparently he's played a role in the venture... thesunnews.com for what it's worth...  Wink

[Edited 2009-11-13 18:52:59 by AAmd11]

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15812 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3446 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 6):
I guess this is just a way to use an otherwise idle aircraft??

That is probably about right, and I'll give them credit for going out on a limb a little bit and trying something new and doing it without a lot of risk. MYR seemed odd at first, but actually makes some sense since it is an untapped market and Forida is not an option for PD anyway.

Quoting Steex (Thread starter):
are for the winter/spring season to bring Canadians to the beach,

Just out of curiosity, how popular is golf with Canadians?



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User currently offlineCYXUK From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3394 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
Just out of curiosity, how popular is golf with Canadians?

Popular enough..... believe me.

It will be interesting to see what happens with DCA.
They say service will commence, but without pre-clearance, how will this work? anyone have ideas?


User currently offlineCGKings317 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 306 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3357 times:
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Quoting CYXUK (Reply 16):
It will be interesting to see what happens with DCA.
They say service will commence, but without pre-clearance, how will this work? anyone have ideas?

Since PD is apparently building a pre-clearance facility at YTZ, they might wait until the new terminal is operational before starting a route to DCA. Meanwhile, they could launch PHL and maybe DTW in the interim.

Does anyone know when the new terminal will be done at YTZ? Is there a website that has regular updates including pics?

I wish PD the best of luck with the MYR route, it could turn out to be very successful.

~CGKings317  Smile



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User currently offlineYhu From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

First phase of the new terminal is due to be complete in January. second phase is due to be complete by the end of summer.

Also, from what I hear, the new ferry is also due to arrive in January.


User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3245 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 6):
Is MYR really worthwhile when cities like Philadelphia,

I definitely rather go to MYR the Philadelphia to golf in winter.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
Just out of curiosity, how popular is golf with Canadians?

You are kidding right? Golf is considered to be more popular in Canada as more people on a per capita basis golf then the U.S. We are so into golf that they even have a midnight golf tourney up in the North in the summer time. They play on the permafrost and have sand greens in the far North.



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User currently offlineRjnut From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

any ops guys familiar with the q400 perfomance who could estimate the payload penalty departing YTZ to MYR..(lets say an alternate would be required for MYR) ..Temp in YTZ should not be an issue , however.. Are golf bags counted as just one bag ?

JUst curious how this will all work, although maybe they are not planning on %100 load factors!!


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23224 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3160 times:



Quoting CYXUK (Reply 16):
They say service will commence, but without pre-clearance, how will this work? anyone have ideas?

Service cannot commence without preclearance. Period.



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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3569 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3126 times:

My belief is that Porter is an airline that caters to bussiness travellers who work downtown and who want to fly out an airport close to their offices. If I was looking to go to MYR I would not want to have to drag suitcases and golf-bags on the shuttle to the airport, then onto a boat, then down the escalators...

I'd rather fly from YYZ and spend my savings on a cab that takes me to the terminal curb....

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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
Just out of curiosity, how popular is golf with Canadians?

Very, we have one of the highest percentages of golfers in the world, and some of the best courses.

I know some people that will try to play from the second the snow melts in March or April up until the Snow accumulates. In fact today I'm sure the courses were packed it being sunny and 13 in YYZ.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 22):
My belief is that Porter is an airline that caters to bussiness travellers who work downtown and who want to fly out an airport close to their offices.

That was it's intent but with all the condo's going up in downtown Toronto in the past few years there is a growing demand for Porter and flying out of YTZ and with all those people living there, there has to be at least enough golfers to support a flight that goes twice a week, also there is the YYZ haters.

Also on another note to the mods. YTZ needs to be changed to the "Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport"

[Edited 2009-11-14 14:14:11]


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User currently offlineFly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2989 times:



Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 23):
That was it's intent but with all the condo's going up in downtown Toronto in the past few years there is a growing demand for Porter and flying out of YTZ and with all those people living there, there has to be at least enough golfers to support a flight that goes twice a week, also there is the YYZ haters.

Right on!

I mean YTZ is of course catering to the business populace, but more and more with more and more urban dwellers living around the airport area flights to MYR will be attempted.... but I think there's a clear clear possibility that the flight will be successful -- how would one explain YTM? I believe PD is re-launching these flights from YTZ?


25 YYZatcboy : The name change won't be official until approved by Transport Canada IIRC.
26 Jolau1701 : How does Porter arrange thier customs with such a small terminal at YTZ with flights going to and from the US?
27 AAmd11 : Tremblent is returning with more flights than ever - up to 8 weekly flights, if I'm not mistaken. Many will pass through YUL on the way out or on the
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