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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5980 times:

Just at a curiosity, how are the plans going for Charlotte's new International Terminal. Or, have the plans been scraped. I can't find anything on the airport website.


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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5981 times:

I haven't heard anything about it.


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5965 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 1):
I haven't heard anything about it.

Yeah..and it scares me.



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5963 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
Yeah..and it scares me.

Understandable. But the good thing is CLT has a bright future ahead of it as a hub!!! With that new parallel runway, would a "new" terminal go between it and the older runway where the spotting park is??



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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5928 times:

Nothing, this is the first I'm hearing about this....


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5914 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 3):



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 4):

Really? I know its supposed to be in the center of the airport..and the car rental agencies are mad about it for some reason.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5869 times:

As ATL starts to build a new int'l facility, CLT will have to follow suit in order to remain an attractive alternative...


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5811 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 6):
As ATL starts to build a new int'l facility, CLT will have to follow suit in order to remain an attractive alternative...

Why? ATL needs a new facility for two reasons:

1) The experience for local arriving passengers is horrendous
2) Delta has outgrown the facility

Neither is true at CLT.



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User currently offlineRafflesking From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5800 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 6):
As ATL starts to build a new int'l facility, CLT will have to follow suit in order to remain an attractive alternative...

Alternative for what though? Do passengers really choose airline routes based on which has a nicer international terminal? With different airlines/alliances hubbing at CLT vs. ATL, this can't be a consideration.


User currently offlineFLYjoe From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5761 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 3):
would a "new" terminal go between it and the older runway where the spotting park is??

No, the plans are to build it where the rental car lots are now. The terminal building is going to be redesigned in the master plans. The rental car companies would be moved to a centralized garage. Somewhere on the charlotteairport.com site is the master plan.


User currently offlineTheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 678 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5696 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 5):
Really? I know its supposed to be in the center of the airport..and the car rental agencies are mad about it for some reason.

I think FLYjoe just kinda covered it.
The plan is to put it where the rental cars are now, adjacent to 18C. The location would be great because that is right next to the longest runway. Which is where your A333s, 346s, and 762s are going to take off and land on anyways.
Whether or not it makes sense is another story. D-Con at CLT is expansive and can handle the international flights quite well. Mornings are all Caribbean flights and nights are all European. Another terminal will just make connections harder. D-Concourse was completed in 2002? Complete with a HUGE expansion of the Customs/Immigration area. I don't see the need, unless US Airways/Star Alliance is planning on adding lots more European and South American flights.

Now, I live in CLT and the only reason I know anything about it is because of the amount of time I spend at the airport and I don't even work there. I can guarantee you, the general public of Charlotte know nothing about this proposed project.


User currently offlineBrandonfsu05 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5654 times:

There are several steps which were outlined in the Airport update (A monthly newsletter for city employees) that would be done before the new international terminal would be constructed.

1) They were constructing the new business valet parking deck on Harlee. The deck is now done this month's letter said. It looks just like the other two daily decks.

2) They've just rolled out refreshed signs for the airport. The airport got a new entrance sign, new parking road etc signs. They are all now blue instead of the previous brown lol. I think it looks very Euro now lol.

3) Have the new runway work and roads completely finished.

3) The two hourly parking decks in front of the airport will be torn down and one big I think it was 6 or 7 level massive deck will be constructed. The front of the airport terminal will be expanded further out and the roads in front of the airport realigned.

4) Then the rental car agencies will be torn down.

5) They will be relocated one a couple of the levels in this new massive deck.

6) The rental car decks are near A Concourse. The new international terminal will be built in that area. It will be one long building accomodating 20 or 25 gates. I can't remember. From what I have heard will be connected via a walkway offshoot from the A Concourse.

So it is still a while off. I've heard they are looking into expanding customs and immigration as a temporary reliever. With Rio starting in December and pending government approval with the Delta deal the potential to start Sao Paulo in Summer of next year CLT will then have it's very first morning flights coming in internationally. I think it's a possibility they might redeploy a couple carribean flights for the morning too like 11am 12pm to relieve some of the problems with gate space that happen at peak times. Right now CLT receives flights from 2pm-10pm. So I think we might see US Airways starting earlier perhaps if space becomes too bad. They could definitely bring in some of the Carribeans atleast at 11 am and 12pm too.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8629 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5647 times:



Quoting TheGMan (Reply 10):
D-Con at CLT is expansive and can handle the international flights quite well.

Right. CLT does not strike me as crowded during the international push. No doubt it has become busier. Maybe it is nearing capacity. But this just means they will make good use of their already excellent facilities. Do they really need more? No firsthand experience lately. Maybe someone could explain if there is a problem.

But CLT will never have an ATL level of international services. They will be lucky to have 10 intercontinental flights per day, that's about all that will happen. IMO


User currently offlineBrandonfsu05 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5621 times:



Quoting TheGMan (Reply 10):
The plan is to put it where the rental cars are now, adjacent to 18C. The location would be great because that is right next to the longest runway. Which is where your A333s, 346s, and 762s are going to take off and land on anyways.
Whether or not it makes sense is another story. D-Con at CLT is expansive and can handle the international flights quite well. Mornings are all Caribbean flights and nights are all European. Another terminal will just make connections harder. D-Concourse was completed in 2002? Complete with a HUGE expansion of the Customs/Immigration area.

Carribeans are in the morning and Europeans in the afternoon for departures correct. However part of the problem is dealing with planes deplanning in the afternoon when the airport begins to receive incomning international flights 2-10pm. If a plane is boarding or late it blocks the gate space for passengers who need to be deplanned and then sent through customs and onto their connections. Additionally it stalls the time that plane needs to be flipped etc. Also the size of the planes. When Lufthansa brings their 340 in and US Airways with two 330's and now going to be a 332 from Paris it creates space problems and blocks other gates from being used because of the size of the planes.

Of course the are not all scheduled for the same time but sometimes they end up roughly all being on the gates at the same time.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5606 times:
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How many gates does CLT have for international arrivals/departures? Are they all jetway gates, or a combination of jetway and remote? How many are widebody capable?

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5606 times:



Quoting Brandonfsu05 (Reply 13):

and now you have Rio and maybe in the future GRU.

Quoting Brandonfsu05 (Reply 11):
There are several steps which were outlined in the Airport update (A monthly newsletter for city employees) that would be done before the new international terminal would be constructed.

1) They were constructing the new business valet parking deck on Harlee. The deck is now done this month's letter said. It looks just like the other two daily decks.

2) They've just rolled out refreshed signs for the airport. The airport got a new entrance sign, new parking road etc signs. They are all now blue instead of the previous brown lol. I think it looks very Euro now lol.

3) Have the new runway work and roads completely finished.

3) The two hourly parking decks in front of the airport will be torn down and one big I think it was 6 or 7 level massive deck will be constructed. The front of the airport terminal will be expanded further out and the roads in front of the airport realigned.

4) Then the rental car agencies will be torn down.

5) They will be relocated one a couple of the levels in this new massive deck.

6) The rental car decks are near A Concourse. The new international terminal will be built in that area. It will be one long building accomodating 20 or 25 gates. I can't remember. From what I have heard will be connected via a walkway offshoot from the A Concourse.

So it is still a while off. I've heard they are looking into expanding customs and immigration as a temporary reliever. With Rio starting in December and pending government approval with the Delta deal the potential to start Sao Paulo in Summer of next year CLT will then have it's very first morning flights coming in internationally. I think it's a possibility they might redeploy a couple carribean flights for the morning too like 11am 12pm to relieve some of the problems with gate space that happen at peak times. Right now CLT receives flights from 2pm-10pm. So I think we might see US Airways starting earlier perhaps if space becomes too bad. They could definitely bring in some of the Carribeans atleast at 11 am and 12pm too.

So I am not crazy, when is this supposed to be done?



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User currently offlineBrandonfsu05 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5517 times:

I can't remember exactly it was like 2013 or 2014 or something for all of those projects to be finished. So look for a lot of construction. Furthermore, they just finished the new star alliance baggage. They are making a new information area on the lower level too. There are lots of projects going on. I really wish I had this newlestter they put it out in ike July or August. I went and looked for it but I couldn't find it. I would have scanned it for you.

I don't work for the airline I'm an interpreter in customs but I believe they use 1 2 3 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 .When Lufthansa is there they use 11 or 12 I think it is. Jet Blue has the other gate and then US Airways Express uses one so it's blocked. From what I understand 10 blocks 8 if it has a widebody... 12 11 3 are the only ones capable of 330s. 2 is capable of 767 however it blocks 1. I'll get a plane movement schedule for a day and scan it for you so you can see what happens.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5494 times:



Quoting Brandonfsu05 (Reply 16):
Jet Blue has the other gate and then US Airways Express uses one so it's blocked.

This sort of speaks to a problem, actually. Two of the issues with congestion on D are the fact that is used for domestic flights because of a lack of space on E (for EN) and on A (for B6) and the fact that US will sometimes have 757s and Airbuses sitting on gates on D for 3 or 4 hours in the late morning/early afternoon - I don't know if that is for lack of gates or out of lack of need to move them.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3211 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5475 times:

I tried to post the terminal master plan diagram, but for some reason I can't get the image to imbed into this post; I cant even get a hot link to work. But if you copy and paste the below address into the browser, it should work.



media.photobucket.com/image/Charlotte%20airport%20master%20plan/Wlangston1/CLT%20Airport/mplanview13-1.jpg



The current international concourse has 12 or 13 gates. That should be enough to handle CLT's current and near term int'l demand. In fact, it seems like there are several domestic flights which use that concourse, including JetBlue. Therefore, it would seem logical to go ahead with the Concourse B extension first - especially since the ramp is already built for that.

The rest of the master plan looks like a mess for connections.

The land between the new runway and existing airfield will be for air cargo/logistics expansion.



FLYi
User currently offlineBrandonfsu05 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5467 times:

Basically what happens, while it might seem tranquil and wide open spaces upstairs it can truly be chaos downstairs. The caracels in the FIS area are not designed to accomodate such big planes and there is not enough space for all the people at peak times. Furthermore, the post Customs recheck is extremely inadequate. Mabe 70 people can fit in that room. On Saturdays at peak season we have over 4,000 passengers coming through. If many people need to be rebooked etc they can not accomodate everyone and usually have to send some of them away to the main ticketing counter. When the concourse was built I'm sure some would say CLT would be lucky to have a few more flights. Then it had Paris, Frankfurt, London (I think Munich with Lufthansa was suspended). Cancun, Montego Bay. My predecessors told me how they came in at 2:00 PM and left at 5:30 PM. There were like 5 or so flights. Now you come in at 2:00 PM and leave at 10 PM. On Saturday the busiest day you are looking at 30 fights between 2-930. Sure Atlanta may be 2 or 3 times that but they have the world's largest carrier with way more gate space, planes and Customs there is almost 24 hours. CLT wil never be as big as ATL....but ATL is HUGE...CLT has a lot of room it can grow into without being as big as ATL.

User currently offlineBrandonfsu05 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5427 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
This sort of speaks to a problem, actually. Two of the issues with congestion on D are the fact that is used for domestic flights because of a lack of space on E (for EN) and on A (for B6)

That was the intention when the concourse was built. The concourse isn't a sole international concourse. In the morning it's all Carribeans pretty much outbound...with nothing coming inbound yet, because CLT does not receive international flights before 2pm. Currently, more or less it's 9AM-12PM Carribeans Mexico Central America maybe some domestics out. There is a lull between 12-2. 2-4 Europeans and Carribeans in. 2-4 Domestics outs. 4-7 Carribeans Mexico Central America in. 4-7 Europeans and domestics out. 7-10 Carribeans Central America Mexico in. 7-10 Domestics and Canada out. But the gates can be used for domestic and international as needed. The next Intl concourse will be the same way I believe. When it was done the airport only had a handful of international flights. So like many other airports they flip the doors allowing you to go down and clear customs or walk into the main terminal as a domestic pax depending on the plane.


User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5424 times:

I think a new strictly international terminal for Charlotte is a good thing. Yes CLT isnt ATL but that is okay. CLT has a role as well and will continue to have a role. CLT is now to major of a city to not have an international complex that can easily handle the current and future growth.


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User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

The new Hourly Deck that will also house the Rental Cars is currently being designed by LS3P Architecture. Here is my expected timeline.

Construction on first half on Hourly Deck (3,000 spaces) - starts Summer 2010
Demolition of Current Hourly Decks - Late 2011
New Hourly Deck/Rental Facility - Opens Late 2012
Demolition of Current Rental Facilities - 2013
Expanded Ticketing/Baggage Terminal - Opens Late 2013
Construction of New International Terminal - Begins 2014
International Terminal Complete - 2016

This is a possible timeline. However economic conditions could change this at any time. The airport is not commited to building the new International Terminal at this time...but they are planning for it if the need arises.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5375 times:



Quoting Cltguy (Reply 22):
The airport is not commited to building the new International Terminal at this time...but they are planning for it if the need arises.

It's worth noting that once the rental car facilities move - something that almost assuredly is happening - they will at least have the real estate for the new terminal.



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User currently offlineTheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 678 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5195 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 14):
How many gates does CLT have for international arrivals/departures? Are they all jetway gates, or a combination of jetway and remote? How many are widebody capable?

There aren't any remote gates at CLT.
One option is to tow 767 over to B or C after deplaning. 767 is actually rather small. Of course with all the new A332s US is taking on, I see a greater presence of 767 in CLT doing domestic trans-cons and the like.


25 USAirALB : I heard that was the plan, retire them from INTL flying and save some for key US markets, as AA did with theirs. And remember, US will be taking on s
26 USAirALB : And aren't they supposed to get a monorail?
27 FLYjoe : The city wants to put light rail to the airport eventually, but they also want light rail on three other routes. Based on the way things are here now
28 TheGMan : Light rail is years and years away from reaching the airport. The light rail in Charlotte is just in its infancy. They need lines running to the nort
29 USAirALB : No, no. Coming from the picture of the master plan that was posted, it looks like a there are two tracks running in the middle, with stations at each
30 Lexy : Thank you! I can see where the rental car people would be upset, but that seems like a logical place to put a new terminal. Atleast it nothing else,
31 Cubsrule : Why? They won't have to run buses any longer. They may build the stations, but the line will not be coming for at least ten years - look at the troub
32 USAirALB : No!!! Im not talking about any CATS service, Im saying on the plans, it looks like they are gonna build a train connecting the terminal with parking.
33 Cubsrule : But look at the map - there's a branch that goes east, and there's no parking over that way except the employee lots.
34 USAirALB : Yeah, and west. I know its weird, I mean I can't imagine them building a station for the employees, but maybe it will be built in phases, the airport
35 Cubsrule : Not at all, and it would actually make some sense to have rail to parking; the daily garage buses don't work real well, and now that they'll be dodgi
36 USAirALB : Do you know of a better picture of a master plan? I hearn there was one @ charlotteairport.com
37 Cubsrule : No. I would not hold my breath on finding one on CLT's website; that site is a black mark on an otherwise great airport.
38 USAirALB : Agreed. Its just that other plan is so hard to see. Ill look
39 Post contains images USAirALB : All I could find was this
40 Adam T. : As far as the rail going through the airport parking lot - maybe I am dreaming but when I lived in NC I could have sworn coming across some plans for
41 TheGMan : B is already longer than C. That will make the walk from end of B to end of E fun. More like PHL.
42 Post contains links Cubsrule : It is? I thought the two were mirror images
43 USAirALB : No, actually C is longer than B by one gate, but basically they are the same. And BTW..is the closed club in the D concourse?
44 Cubsrule : Yeah; it was a crew lounge for a while - not sure if it still is.
45 TheGMan : Must be an optical illusion provided by the taxiway design. But when walking it, C seems shorter. Of course it could be because C has more gates. The
46 USAirALB : If this plan gos through, will we see another one open and when did the D one close, I know its still intact.
47 DeltaL1011man : who ever came up with the idea should be fired, It sucks.(sometimes I'll go via JFK over ATL. CVG was the place to go but its all been cut now) Wont
48 USAirALB : Yes, but maybe depending on how well GRU goes, US will apply for GIG at a later date...maybe.
49 Brandonfsu05 : yes but there are frequencies up for grabs for gig this coming year...so us wil apply again...the only way they could get gru right now though is to
50 LipeGIG : The first weeks of the future flight to GIG shows very good performance. January also brings pack flights with the first week out of GIG highly booke
51 FutureUScapt : Rumor is that space will be turned into an Envoy Lounge as more long-haul flying is added out of CLT, though at this point it is just that...a rumor.
52 LipeGIG : As always, it's not a surprise for me. I keep saying that Rio is under served. US can in fact get very nice results out of GIG. What they can do ? Us
53 Airbazar : I used CLT for the first time as an entry point early this year, doing CUN-CLT-BOS and i cleared immigration, collected my bags and re-checked them,
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