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Hawaiian Rolls Out First B763 With Winglets!  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6807 times:
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The first HA B763 is here and it certainly looks AMAZING!!!


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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3191 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6780 times:

Wow!!!! Definitely my favorite 767 with winglets to date!!

The 763 has definitely surpassed the 757 as my favorite Boeing aircraft to get the blended winglets from APB. At 11 feet tall they give it quite the commanding presence.



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User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1864 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6720 times:

It has already been flying for the past month, but it does look good! You may want to check the "Search"

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6720 times:
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Thanks for posting the photo, 773ER! HA's 763ERs with the blended winglets is an absolute beauty.

User currently offlineMadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6268 times:

I am kind of surprised HA is investing in blended winglets on their 767's when the A330's are on the way. I guess the fuel savings must be worth the investment even if they are phasing the type out in the near future. Does anyone know when that is planned for?

They do look beautiful though!


User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6268 times:



Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 4):
I am kind of surprised HA is investing in blended winglets on their 767's when the A330's are on the way. I guess the fuel savings must be worth the investment even if they are phasing the type out in the near future. Does anyone know when that is planned for?

They do look beautiful though!

I don't believe that they are phasing them out anytime soon.

FX1816


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1687 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6234 times:

I love the pattern they chose for the winglets. I'd really like for HA to start somemore continental US service. Oh well, maybe when the A330's and A350's come in.


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User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6182 times:

Wow! Looks great! I think the winglets really improve the look of the 767, something hard to do as the 76 already looks very impressive! I like the winglet paint as well.


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User currently offlineRjm717 From Australia, joined May 2000, 86 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6010 times:

Aircraft 581 (N581HA) is also complete and made it's first International flight with winglets yesterday, operating HA451/HA452 to SYD. Looks GREAT!
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User currently offlineDreamsUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5977 times:

They are beautiful, I didn't know they even had winglets on their 767's until I saw one taxi past when I was in HNL two weeks ago, they sure are pretty, a lot better looking graphic than the ".com" that most airlines slap onto their aircrafts winglets

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24820 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5949 times:

News and pictures were posted about a month ago;
SEA Spotters: HA 767 W/winglets Arriving 10/16 (by HAL Oct 16 2009 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineHawaiian763 From Canada, joined May 2009, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5880 times:

Great to see a HA 763 with winglets installed, looks amazing. I hope someday AC does the same thing with their 763's

User currently offlineDL752 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 174 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5486 times:



Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 4):
I am kind of surprised HA is investing in blended winglets on their 767's when the A330's are on the way. I guess the fuel savings must be worth the investment even if they are phasing the type out in the near future. Does anyone know when that is planned for?

Sooner is better for the environment and the airline.

Looks amazing.

DL752 airplane 


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3034 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

I love the flowers on the winglets..AMAZING!


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User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1864 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5341 times:

Does anyone have the winglet install schedule for the fleet after 587 & 581?

User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2558 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5179 times:



Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 4):
I guess the fuel savings must be worth the investment even if they are phasing the type out in the near future. Does anyone know when that is planned for?

We're not getting rid of the 767's any time soon. There may be a few going away as the leases run out in the next 2-3 years, but the majority will stay on for many years to come.

Quoting Rjm717 (Reply 8):
Aircraft 581 (N581HA) is also complete and made it's first International flight with winglets yesterday, operating HA451/HA452 to SYD.

A good friend worked that flight back today - he said the plane flew great (and looked great too).

Quoting DL752 (Reply 12):
Sooner is better for the environment and the airline.

Are you saying the 767 is too polluting to operate? The 767's have served us well for nearly 8 years now, and will continue to do so for a long time to come. They'll fit into our overall strategy quite well continuing to fly most of the Hawaii-west coast flights while the Airbus will take over the longer routes, and those that can sustain their larger passenger count.

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 14):
Does anyone have the winglet install schedule for the fleet after 587 & 581?

582 is up at PAE doing the next install. After that though, I don't know which ones are next. There's still 580, 589, 591, and 593 to go.

HAL



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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4894 times:



Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 4):
I am kind of surprised HA is investing in blended winglets on their 767's when the A330's are on the way. I guess the fuel savings must be worth the investment

Apparently Air New Zealand are projecting a saving of 1.3 million litres of fuel per aircraft annually based on their experience with the winglets. See:

http://www.atwonline.com/channels/eco/article.html?articleID=3034
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ts-more-fuel-savings-with-767.html

I don't know how much each winglet shipset and installation costs, but I dare say they are going to pay for themselves fairly promptly.

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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1844 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4874 times:
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Oh my god I love it! Love the flowers on the winglet! IMO the winglet design makes the 767 look way more awesome!

[Edited 2009-11-14 13:00:06]


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3060 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4840 times:

According to this,

http://www.aviationpartnersboeing.co...ws/08.09.15_HA_NewB767Winglets.pdf

HA is expecting up to 5% fuel savings or about 300,000 gallons of fuel per aircraft per year, and also that the winglets will reduce carbon dioxide emissions by more than 3,000 tons annually.



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3060 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4762 times:



Quoting HAL (Reply 15):
582 is up at PAE doing the next install. After that though, I don't know which ones are next. There's still 580, 589, 591, and 593 to go.

Is HA was doing 7 or 8 aircraft?

I thought it was 8 but am only counting 7.



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User currently offlinePohakuloa From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4619 times:



Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 16):
I don't know how much each winglet shipset and installation costs, but I dare say they are going to pay for themselves fairly promptly.

From what I remember it is roughly $2M AD.

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 19):
Is HA was doing 7 or 8 aircraft?

I thought it was 8 but am only counting 7.

As far as I remember hearing it will be 8 aircraft getting the winglets initially. I am not sure if any more will get them though.



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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 882 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4567 times:

N581HA:

http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac282/aviationguru4/SAN%2011-14/IMG4348pmw.jpg

http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac282/aviationguru4/SAN%2011-14/IMG4355pmw.jpg


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12884 posts, RR: 100
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4522 times:
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Quoting HAL (Reply 15):
The 767's have served us well for nearly 8 years now,

That long? I feel  old 

And soon we'll see plenty of A330's!

How many HA 767's are owned? How many leased? Thanks in advance to anyone who has the answer. Oh... when do the leases expire?

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 18):
HA is expecting up to 5% fuel savings or about 300,000 gallons of fuel per aircraft per year

That would be impressive, but what mission length?

Quoting C767P (Reply 21):
N581HA:

The winglets enhance the HA tail design.

Does anyone have photos of the inside of the winglets?

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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 882 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4467 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 22):
Does anyone have photos of the inside of the winglets?

It looks just like the outside from what I could tell. This is the best picture I got of the inside, just look at the right side of the picture.

http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac282/aviationguru4/IMG4362.jpg


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2558 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4463 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 22):
How many HA 767's are owned? How many leased? Thanks in advance to anyone who has the answer. Oh... when do the leases expire?



Quoting Pohakuloa (Reply 20):
As far as I remember hearing it will be 8 aircraft getting the winglets initially. I am not sure if any more will get them though.

From what I've heard through company chatter, we have seven aircraft getting the winglets, and the 8th is in case we got an additional 767 before the A330's started arriving.

The problem is this: We own 580-582, and they are getting the winglets (3 total). 583-586 are leased from ILFC, and they don't want the winglets on the planes. 587 through 593 are also leased, with the odd numbered ones leased from Ansett Worldwide, and the even numbered ones from Boeing. Ansett is OK with the winglets, Boeing isn't. That makes 587, 589, 591, and 593 candidates for winglets (making a total of 7). Aircraft 594-598 are owned by HA, but they are the ex-DL planes, straight 300's - not ER's, and are not structurally elegible for the winglet conversion. Also, the Boeing Capital aircraft (588, 590, and 592) have their leases up starting next year. 588 (I think) would be the first to go in late 2010. If HA can renegotiate the leases it's possible one of those would get the 8th set of winglets, but the lease would have to be long enough to justify the installation expense, and of course Boeing Capital would have to approve it too.

Summary: 7 HA owned aircraft, 11 leased. 7 firm winglet intallations, one extra set available, and four aircraft that can't get the winglets no matter what because they aren't ER models.

HAL



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2492 posts, RR: 7
Reply 25, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4379 times:

Beautiful....can't wait to catch sight of one in SEA. Saw three HA 767's shortly after departure today, happened to be working outside this morning. Sadly, none of the were sporting the winglets.

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