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Air Berlin Announces Major Expansion At CGN  
User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 547 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6802 times:

Air Berlin announced a major expansion at Cologne/Bonn airport yesterday.
The following is a compilation of several news releases and press reports, unfortunately all of them in German.
Most of this is due to the partial take-over of former TUIfly routes. However, it was widely anticipated that AB would pare down the CGN operation. The planned capacity increases are therefore quite astounding.
Here are some highlights:

- 32 nonstop destinations during the winter 2009/10 season
- increase CGN-TXL from 48 to 62/week (up to 4 flights per day on A321 (all-coach, 210 seats))
- frequency increase on routes to HAM, INN, FMM, VLC, VCE
- By summer 2010 more than 320 weekly departures, incl. new routes to TLV, ALG, RMI, PSA, BDS, FAO
- Frequency increase on routes to CTA, CFU, AGP, SZG, TFS and VLC
- Daily use of A330-300 to PMI (all-coach, 387 seats!)
- Overall 160 additional departures per week by next summer, which constitutes 100% growth.

On top of that an AB executive has announced a whopping 25% growth rate thereafter.

Here's a pic from their new advertising campaign:


http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7760/cimg4646.jpg

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User currently offlineBrouAviation From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6637 times:

LH is not going to like that, not only because they now get more competition on their routes like CGN-HAM and CGN-TXL, but also because it will affect Germanwings, owned by LH.


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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6555 times:



Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 1):
LH is not going to like that

AB has quite some experience in doing things LH doesn't like  Wink

Quoting PHX Flyer (Thread starter):
Daily use of A330-300 to PMI (all-coach, 387 seats!)

Always nice to see regular widebody operations intra-Europe! What other routes will they use this aircraft for?

Germany-PMI is a huge market and AB is a large carrier here. AB flies 3x daily CGN-PMI, next to numerous (multiple daily) departures from DUS, FRA, DTM, etc.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6432 times:



Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
Always nice to see regular widebody operations intra-Europe! What other routes will they use this aircraft for?

It certainly is, you can now get around much of Europe on widebodies  yes 

Plus I'd imagine this is one of the flights likely to have the discounted €19 fares - so that would be a real bargain!



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User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 628 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6359 times:

Quoting PHX Flyer (Thread starter):
new routes to TLV, ALG, RMI, PSA, BDS, FAO

Wow, ALG ! Certainly a surprise ! I'm in the planning stage of my 3rd trip to Algeria next summer, and once again have to struggle to find a decent fare.

I just checked the AB website and found a very interesting 208 EUR return (all taxes and fees included) in the middle of the summer, which is *significantly* below alternatives... The only problem is the horrible timing of the flights though (midnight arrival in ALG, 1:30 am departure from ALG), which is not suitable to my needs (travelling with my child). Will have to stick to Iberia I guess...

However, it's very interesting to see a newcomer on the Europe-ALG route offering lower fares, especially for the busy summer season. Last time I flew AB, the (pleasant) experience was a mix of LCC with a "legacy" carrier touch (free drink / snack, seat selection, FF program, ...). Can AB be considered as a LCC ? Do they market themselves as such (I don't think so, correct me if I'm wrong). If so, it would be a very interesting "first" for Algeria...

Regards
BrusselsSouth

Edited to add : the CGN - ALG flight is only once weekly, from June 19th until September 19th, at least according to Air Berlin website

[Edited 2009-11-13 10:12:36]

User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 778 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 5633 times:



Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 4):
Can AB be considered as a LCC ? Do they market themselves as such (I don't think so, correct me if I'm wrong). If so, it would be a very interesting "first" for Algeria...

AB definitely is not a LCC !
(they don´t market themselves as such anyway)

I´d rather say they are a budget carrier !
(e.g. still offering free 20kg baggage allowance/snacks/soft drinks/online check-in)



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5422 times:

Any news to the rumor that besides HG, AB is looking to serve BEG with own metal from Germany?


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User currently offlineMbe0002 From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4928 times:



Quoting MHG (Reply 5):
AB definitely is not a LCC !

I agree - although they are often mentioned to be a LCC. Air Berlin offer flights from major Airports like FRA and their service is comparable to LH on demestic and european routes.


User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

Most of the new AB routes seem to be ex X3 (like TXL, INN, SZG, FMM, VCE, CTA, PMI, TFS, TLV, RMI, PSA, BDS). So, what does this lead to an increase of overall flights out of CGN at all?


PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4860 times:

IIRC, X3 also had ALG during last summer.


PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

any chance that AB could goes on longhaul from CGN?


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User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3703 times:



Quoting Avianca (Reply 10):
any chance that AB could goes on longhaul from CGN?

Funny you should ask. This exact question came up in one of the news articles I gathered my information from. The director of sales of Air Berlin, Mr. Altman denies it, whereas the airport director, Mr. Garvens, stated that this would be announced in the not so distant future.

As a matter of fact, LTU, which now operates long hauls under the Air Berlin brand, was in negotiations with CGN regarding intercontinental flights (to JFK amongst others) in 2004/5.
CGN management broke off the talks eventually because LTU was demanding revenue guarantees, which the airport refused to give. Also, at the same time Continental was indicating interest in CGN, this may have also played a role in the decision making.

IMO, it would make a lot of sense, if AB moved some, if not all long hauls to CGN, since it has no slot restrictons, which would allow them to coordinate ideal connecting schedules. Also, CGN has a longer runway, which would eleimate weight penalties on ultra-long hauls, like South Africa or US west coast. In addition, AB would avoid direct competition with LH at DUS. So I think it may happen, but first AB will need to have its domestic and European opration firmly established at CGN, maybe in 2-3 years.


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3691 times:



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 11):
MO, it would make a lot of sense, if AB moved some, if not all long hauls to CGN

I was just waiting until you'd post a reply like this  Wink

I wouldn't hold my breath for long-haul flights ex CGN, but I think we agree to disagree on the subject.


User currently offlineEICVD From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2161 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

Does anyone think AB will ever fly to DUB? Are they just to afraid to compete with FR or is there just no market?

User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4003 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

4U already flies to DUB from CGN, and IIRC in the beginning it was even more than daily. By now, it has become a seasonal route with just 3 or 4 flights a week, if I am not mistaken. And X3 had a short-lived service to Ireland in addition to the long-time EI services from DUS and the Ryanair flights from the wastelands that serve the Rhine region.

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