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Cseries Based Business Jet To Take On The G650  
User currently offlineAirbusCanada From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 324 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5003 times:

Now its public that bombardier wants a product to counter the Gulfstream's brand new G650, (http://www.financialpost.com/news-sectors/story.html?id=2219853), the company has two options to consider:
1. Build a Brand new business jet (about $1 billion for a clean sheet design.)
2. Upgrade existing product ($200 for a Global express upgrade).
Since their R&D division is super busy with simeltenous development of two brand new advanced airframes ( Lear85 and the Cseries) option number one is not really viable from a technical and financial point of view.

Now they probably could squeeze out 1000km range out of the Global XRS, and put It against the G650,but I don't' think it will be a worthy competitor.
Looking at the table below, I was thinking, would it be possible to convert the Cseries belly cargo space into fuel tank in order to give it an ultra long range (12,000+ km)?
This will not only be a G650 killer , but also steal market share from BBJ/ACJ?
Feel free to express your opinions.

global xrs/g650/Cseries


[Edited 2009-11-13 20:32:26]

[Edited 2009-11-13 20:44:59]

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21528 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4992 times:

C-Series will be too heavy to fly into TEB. While that's not a game-ender, it's going to put the C-Series at a decent disadvantage vs. the G650, as well as vs. an updated Global XRS.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAirbusCanada From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4644 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
C-Series will be too heavy to fly into TEB

Can't they add more landing gear to reduce impact of landing like they did on the 380?
cheers
Erfan...

[Edited 2009-11-16 09:54:34]

User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8412 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

Mir is saying it will be over 100,000 lbs. This limits its airport list greatly.

The Gulfstream is right at that limit, so it's designed as the perfect no-compromises bizjet. Nobody else will be able to quite match that combination of airport access and long range (and cabin room!)


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

If they can offer a good price & 11.000 km range they can compete both the BBJ and G650.

At least it has cabin were you can stand on your toes.


User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4408 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 3):
Mir is saying it will be over 100,000 lbs. This limits its airport list greatly.

Not really... Keep in mind that the limit for TEB is not MGTOW as certified for the aircraft, but merely the max weight of the aircraft while operating at TEB. If your aircraft MTOW is over 100k you just submit a weight and balance to the airport proving you will be operating under 100k and you are fine. TEB sees some cargo DC9's and recently saw the Embraer Lineage 1000 demonstrator.


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1308 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4384 times:

There's still a fair amount of snobbery (or ramp presence if you prefer) involved when buying such expensive toys, and some very wealthy individuals wouldn't be caught dead in an airliner spin-off - one of the reasons the big G's and the XRS continue to sell despite costing more or less the same as a BBJ or ACJ.


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User currently offlineAirbusCanada From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4285 times:



Quoting B777LRF (Reply 6):
There's still a fair amount of snobbery (or ramp presence if you prefer) involved when buying such expensive toys

Maybe they should buy a A380 then.
cheers


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

It seems Bombardier would content themselves with the Challenger 850 for the meantime.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...allenger-850-leveraged-luxury.html


As an aside, OEMs are somehow enigmatically fond of the number '650' nowadays.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...09-embraer-joins-the-650-club.html

It wasn't too long ago that a manufacturer wouldn't be caught dead with a model number similar to a competitor's. They even went to great lenghts copyrighting those to protect their "identity".



"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8412 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4203 times:



Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 5):
Keep in mind that the limit for TEB is not MGTOW as certified for the aircraft, but merely the max weight of the aircraft while operating at TEB. If your aircraft MTOW is over 100k you just submit a weight and balance to the airport proving you will be operating under 100k and you are fine.

Thanks for that. I was making assumptions because the new 650 has MTOW of 99.6k lbs and maximum ramp weight of 100,000 lb. It really looks like they wanted to stay at 100k for some reason. I expected it was because of TEB but maybe there is another reason.


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