Swa4life From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 385 posts, RR: 1 Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5039 times:
I know about the policy most airlines have regarding working for another airline while employed with said airline. I know that they make you resign from any previous airline job before being hired.. But,.. what about FBOs? Can I work for an airline and and FBO at the same airport?
Iflyswa From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 154 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4911 times:
I've done this working at DAL without issues. I was completely forthcoming with both Employers and didn't encounter any pushback from either one.
I suppose it might have helped that some of the Corporate Officers for my airline Employer used the FBO facilities at which I was also employed part-time on some occasions for which they needed to travel discreetly, were headed to a large family gathering (with all the family in tow), or to conduct business in some city my airline Employer doesn't itself serve. Additionally, on the somewhat rare occurrence we'd have a private A318 or a BBJ parked on the ramp, my airline Employer would loan the FBO belt loaders, airstairs, and various other GSE pieces our operation didn't normally call for since G5's or Globals were typically the largest transients we'd have on the ramp.
I don't believe that either one sees the other as a competitive threat, but particularly for the Corporate Culture in place at my airline. In fact, I was impressed to find that there was even basic cooperation between the two--as in the example of sharing certain pieces of GSE above. But I think my airline was interested in learning more about an FBO's niche, in general, since I was asked by some of our Talent Development folks if I could help coordinate with the Management at the FBO to bring a group over for a look around and to answer some questions they hoped could help them prepare a presentation. In reciprocation, a few of the Managers at the FBO were able to sit in on a Customer Service class my airline offers to Employees as Customer Service was a major tenet common to both businesses and probably the best aspect of our operation for which my airline is known.
All in all, it was really great for me learn about and have experiences in these two distinct areas of general aviation, both to draw parallels and to find the clear disconnects, but my passion is in really in the commercial arena. I wound up quitting my job at the FBO to devote time to go back to school, but I was really grateful that neither company found it a conflict of interest that I spent my time working between the two.
[Edited 2009-11-14 01:40:38 by iflyswa]
Opinions expressed by "iflyswa" are not those of Southwest Airlines Officers, Directors, or Employees.
AirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4726 times:
When I was at FL and de-iced for ASIG I had to get it cleared with Human Resources. The main issue was that I was technically helping a competitor. They didn't put up a big stink about it, and I was cleared to do so in about a week. If you are planning on doing it, I recommend you read your employee handbook/contract and ensure you aren't violating a no compete clause.
Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
Dalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2546 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4714 times:
Through the years I've known a lot of mechanics that work for an airline and do side work for a local FBO. At one small turboprop airline we had one old guy that they hired from the FBO. It was a term of employment that he would only join us if he could stay on at the FBO. At DL the guys always tend to keep it quite. I knew a couple in ATL that were running over to ABX in the morning when ever ABX had to do a 767 'A' Check. We had an inspector in BOS that started a on call van service while he was still at DL. He later took an early retirement package to do it full time. I think management knew about it but didn't care because he only did bizjet work.
PGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2821 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4601 times:
At our airline you have to clear secondary employment within the aviation industry with the company (there is a quick process that supervisors can direct employees through). As long as the company doesn't perceive a direct competition or find your secondary employment to be degrading your work at the airline, it's not a problem. I would be completely honest and approach your supervisor explaining what you want to do. There will possibly be some contact with HR, but it's best to be aboveboard about it from the beginning.
Phelpsie87 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 498 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4020 times:
When I used to work for OO, I had a coworker split his time between us and the FBO on the field. He worked as a fueler, so most days, we would say goodbye to him from OO only to reunite an hour or so later as he fueled our RJ's. No issues ever came up, even though he also fueled NW/DL, G4, F9, and all the other operators on the field. I honestly do not see a big deal, but I guess it could be if the FBO has ground handling as well, such as GFK Flight Support does for G4.
Like others have said, be up front. I do think they would be willing to work with you on it as long as one job does not negatively influence the other. If they say no, pick the job that you have the best pay, hours, benefits, etc. Look out for #1!!
Afrikaskyes From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3499 times:
I knew a few airline employees who worked for the airport FBO and even serviced their own airlines aircraft and no one really had a problem with it. I suppose it depends on the individual FBO's hiring policy.
I also knew of 5 TSA employees who worked for a few airlines while still working for the TSA. Scheduling was a nightmare but somehow it worked out for them. Was that a conflict of interest? ABSOLUTELY!! I can't tell you how many times I saw one of them either save their own airline some how some way by breaking TSA policies. I can't believe the TSA allowed that kind of moonlighting, but apparently it wasn't a problem. Though, as of a few months ago, I heard DL suggested they would no longer be accepting applications from current TSA employees at that airport. What a joke.