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Future CAL Service Under Star? (esp. Euro&Germany)  
User currently offlineHouStrategies From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

Just wondering what new routes readers of this board think CAL will roll out over the next few years to better tie into the Star Alliance. In particular, I'm thinking that Germany - home of Star partner LH - has some very major metros without CAL EWR service: Cologne, Dusseldorf (LH only), Munich (LH only), and Stuttgart. Would you expect some 757s redeployed to some of these cities? Then there's Star hubs Vienna, Warsaw, and Basel. Are these also in 757 range (with winglets)? And if so, would they acquire some used 757s or redeploy existing ones? (and from what current routes?)

Longer-term, there's the question of expansion once the 787s arrive if you care to speculate. I'm particularly interested in where they might go from IAH. Munich? Zurich? Auckland? (on through to Sydney?) Santiago? Seoul? Shanghai? Beijing? (link China's businesses to Latin America's commodities) And what do you think their priority order will be? Do you think they will be CAL or the partner with the service?

And one last question: will IAH eventually lose its CAL nonstop to AMS? I imagine KLM is safe on that route.

Insights appreciated.

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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16829 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

See this thread:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4600773/



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16829 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2188 times:



Quoting HouStrategies (Thread starter):
And one last question: will IAH eventually lose its CAL nonstop to AMS?

That's a huge money maker for CO, they have the Shell oil contract.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineHouStrategies From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2144 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
See this thread:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...0773/

Good stuff. Thanks for the heads up. I still think some of the questions above are open/unaddressed in that thread.


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16829 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2136 times:



Quoting HouStrategies (Reply 3):
till think some of the questions above are open/unaddressed in that thread.

Well they already addressed the new flights to Munich from EWR (daily 764), and the 2nd daily EWR-FRA flights (752). Also Vienna is discussed.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2084 times:



Quoting HouStrategies (Thread starter):
Then there's Star hubs Vienna, Warsaw, and Basel.

Basel, a Star Alliance hub (or any hub for that matter)? That's news to me and probably to Swiss as well!



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User currently offlineHouStrategies From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2012 times:



Quoting JRadier (Reply 5):
Basel, a Star Alliance hub (or any hub for that matter)? That's news to me and probably to Swiss as wel

They listed it as a hub for Swiss here:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0d4b3718-9d62-11de-9f4a-00144feabdc0.html
and here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_air

but it does look like a weak one at best - barely even a focus city:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basel_Airport


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16829 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

If CO launches flights to Basel it's because of the strong business ties between New Jersey and the Basel region. Both New Jersey and Basel are centers in the Pharmaceutical industry, in fact Novartis based in Basel has their North American Headquarters in North Hanover New Jersey.

http://www.us.novartis.com/flash/home/US_Corp_map.swf



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16829 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

As for the 787 in various interviews CO mgt. have mentioned the following routes:

EWR-Bangalore, EWR-Chennai, EWR-Hyderabad, IAH-Dubai, IAH-Sydney.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineHouStrategies From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1921 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
As for the 787 in various interviews CO mgt. have mentioned the following routes:

EWR-Bangalore, EWR-Chennai, EWR-Hyderabad, IAH-Dubai, IAH-Sydney.

With the crash, IAH-Dubai may fall to the side. IAH-Sydney? They really said that? That would be very cool, although I would think they'd do a stop in Auckland for the ANZ Star partner.


User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

BSL isn't an LX/Star hub. It's hardly even a focus-city with just a limited amount of daily flights to a few important business and leisure cities, and to Star's main hubs in Germany.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
If CO launches flights to Basel it's because of the strong business ties between New Jersey and the Basel region. Both New Jersey and Basel are centers in the Pharmaceutical industry, in fact Novartis based in Basel has their North American Headquarters in North Hanover New Jersey.

SR/LX tried BSL-EWR with an A332 but it failed miserably and was gone again within a matter of weeks. I think BSL, just like ZRH, is beyond the 757s range with reasonable payload, and I don't see CO committing a 767 to this route (needless to say it's way too much aircraft for this route), especially since they serve ZRH daily which is just a mere 45mins trainride from BSL with multiple hourly train services from ZRH airport station.

LX also evaluated an all C-class BBJ service from BSL to EWR to cater for the business traffic generated by the large pharmaceutical industries at both ends, but that never made it beyond the planning sheet.


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1809 times:



Quoting HouStrategies (Thread starter):
from IAH. Munich? Zurich? Auckland? (on through to Sydney?) Santiago? Seoul? Shanghai? Beijing?

IAH-MUC: Would be nice, but it will be a toss up between SA)">CO and LH to who starts up first. If sooner, LH will have a slight advantage over SA)">CO due to plane constraints.

IAH-ZRH/GVA: Houston Business Journal has posted a few articles regarding the growning business ties between Houston and Switzerland. We'll see if this will draw entice SA)">CO to start service.

IAH-AKL: Once the 787s come online, this could be possible and easily connect to NZs South Pacific network. It might be more interesting for SA)">CO to start IAH-GUM nonstop and utilize SA)">CS for Asia and South Pacific

IAH-SCL: It could be in the works if SA)">CO.

IAH-ICN: If KE didn't want to start IAH-ICN, I'm not sure if SA)">CO or OZ would start it. Most likely, SA)">CO would heavily utilize a codeshare with NH and probably OZ on NRT-ICN. EWR-ICN may work.

IAH-PEK/PVG: Once confirmation of 787 deliveries are announced and DOT starts another round of US-China route application awards, I see PVG started sooner than PEK. Doubt we would CA start service, but crazier things have happened, such as SQ.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
EWR-Bangalore, EWR-Chennai, EWR-Hyderabad, IAH-Dubai, IAH-Sydney.

EWR-BLR/MAA/HYD: I don't know how yields are right now, especially to BOM or DEL, but I'm now thinking these destinations are not high up on the list once the 787s enter service as they once were.

IAH-DXB: Currently I think this will be a good route for SA)">CO if they start it before EK ever decides to expand beyond daily flights.

IAH-SYD: From what I have heard, while this would be a great flight, even the 789s would be limited and flying with restrictions. SA)">CO's best bet would be IAH-AKL or IAH-GUM-SYD.

Other destinations that may work for IAH:

OSL
EDI/GLA
MAD
FSA)">CO
BRU
TPE
IST

I'm not going to speculate any African destinations since it will be a waiting game to see how well SA)">UA does on the route as well as when Arik Air starts LOS-IAH. It might be nice for SA to restart IAH after decades of canceling service, but that's more of a wish list for me.



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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

What about EWR-VCE? With CO now in Star All. they could offer their own flight to Venice from NY.
Next summer DL will be flying JFK-VCE with 764 and they are going to add 1 more weekly on ATL-VCE route too.
Also US does well on their Philly-VCE flight.


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