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FedEx 777F - What Routes?  
User currently offlineJawed From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 482 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 8994 times:

Now that she is in regular service with FedEx, how is she doing? And what exactly are her daily routes now?

[Edited 2009-11-16 00:45:05 by jawed]

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User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 8931 times:

Interesting question, I always wonderer what routes cargo planes fly, some regular some charter. You should find a night knight to answer

User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6121 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 8617 times:

Saw it at Sea-Tac last wednesday.


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User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 8570 times:
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Conducting training/orientation flights now. Initial revenue service is MEM-ANC. There is a bid sheet available, but they need to hammer out pay rate first.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30855 posts, RR: 86
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 8469 times:
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Are there still plans to run them non-stop between CAN and IND/MEM?

User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 8463 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):

Are there still plans to run them non-stop between CAN and IND/MEM?

That is the game plane.  Silly


User currently offlineBhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 8321 times:

FDX 9985 (I think that was the number) went out of MEM on Saturday on a KIX run. Might have been training though.

User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6121 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 8291 times:

FXramper


Do you have a delivery schedule for the 777?



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineMpdpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 8287 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Are there still plans to run them non-stop between CAN and IND/MEM?



Quoting Fxramper (Reply 5):
That is the game plane

Why would they operate that non-stop? That is 7900nm surely there isn't much of a useful load as far as a cargo plane goes at that range. Wouldn't it just be direct with a stop in ANC? Maybe I am missing something. Even Boeing publishes the max range at 4800nm.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30855 posts, RR: 86
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8031 times:
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Quoting Mpdpilot (Reply 8):
Why would they operate that non-stop? That is 7900nm surely there isn't much of a useful load as far as a cargo plane goes at that range.

The 777F can lift ~60t that distance. I've been told average package carrier payload densities out of Asia are about 150kg/m3, so at 60t that would be 400m3. So a 777F would be operating at about 60% capacity in terms of payload weight and volume. If FX carries lower density cargo, they would be able to improve the usable volume.


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8023 times:

4800nm is with max cargo.

User currently offlineStratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6894 times:



Quoting Bhmdiversion (Reply 6):
FDX 9985 (I think that was the number) went out of MEM on Saturday on a KIX run. Might have been training though.

A/C 850 has been on FAA proving/ETOPS valadation flights since 11/8 and will be concluded on 11/20 it is scenarios that the FAA conducts to show how pilots/dispatch and maintenance coordinate to handle various problems.

Quoting As739x (Reply 2):
Saw it at Sea-Tac last wednesday.

That was a MEM-ANC flight purposely diverted to SEA simulating an engine problem.



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User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6121 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6456 times:



Quoting Stratosphere (Reply 11):

Well it was pleasant surprise when my friend dropped me off at the airport. Beautiful plane and probably my favorite in the sky now.



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6182 times:

I am also interested in FedEx routes.
Do they publish route information?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4905 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6078 times:

Just curious to know if SYD will receive the this beauty even though the M11F is a beauty...

EK413



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5905 times:



Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 13):
I am also interested in FedEx routes.
Do they publish route information?

http://www2.alpa.org/fdx/jumpseat/

You can use the ALPA Fedex jumpseat finder. Just put a city in the originating box in the upper left and it will show you all departures from that city on that date.



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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4877 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
The 777F can lift ~60t that distance. I've been told average package carrier payload densities out of Asia are about 150kg/m3, so at 60t that would be 400m3. So a 777F would be operating at about 60% capacity in terms of payload weight and volume. If FX carries lower density cargo, they would be able to improve the usable volume.

I realize they could operate it non-stop, but 60% seems kind of low. Why not the direct? just about every other trans pacific cargo flight from the eastern US stops in ANC or other places.



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User currently offlinePohakuloa From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4834 times:

I doubt we will see it in HNL, but with the amount of flights that come in here on a daily basis as well as the increase during the holidays, maybe we will get lucky!


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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4778 times:



Quoting Mpdpilot (Reply 8):
Why would they operate that non-stop? That is 7900nm

It is 7068 nm per Great Circle Mapper.

Interestingly though, the route via ANC is only 48nm farther, also per the Great Circle Mapper. I guess it depends how much cargo you need to carry.

One other question: Why ETOPS certification for cargo duty? I mean surely, Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim doesn't apply here  Wink



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4707 times:

I've seen them in and out of OAK...

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30855 posts, RR: 86
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4677 times:
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Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 16):
I realize they could operate it non-stop, but 60% seems kind of low. Why not the direct? just about every other trans pacific cargo flight from the eastern US stops in ANC or other places.

OldAeroGuy did note that at a density of 9 pounds per cubic foot, on PVG-ANC a 777F would lift 207,400 pounds versus 170,000 pounds for an MD-11F, so that might be an option for some of the fleet.

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 18):
One other question: Why ETOPS certification for cargo duty? I mean surely, Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim doesn't apply here.  Wink  

Flight crew are people too.  Wink


User currently offlineBoxBoy From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 50 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

Revenue flights in December. MEM-ANC at first then PVG, KIX, NRT, CAN, PEK. Should be 3 777's on property before Christmas.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Conducting training/orientation flights now. Initial revenue service is MEM-ANC. There is a bid sheet available, but they need to hammer out pay rate first.

Pay negotiations will not hold up revenue flights. And, the bid has already been filled.


User currently offlineCptspeaking From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4377 times:



Quoting Brons2 (Reply 18):
One other question: Why ETOPS certification for cargo duty? I mean surely, Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim doesn't apply here  

In addition to Stitch's response, (and please correct me if I'm wrong...), both FedEx and UPS have certificates allowing passenger carriage, they just don't exercise that. I'm not 100% sure on this though...



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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4932 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4347 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
The 777F can lift ~60t that distance. I've been told average package carrier payload densities out of Asia are about 150kg/m3, so at 60t that would be 400m3. So a 777F would be operating at about 60% capacity in terms of payload weight and volume. If FX carries lower density cargo, they would be able to improve the usable volume.

Stitch I think it can do better than that.. I would estimate the eastbound ESAD CAN-MEM at about 6800nm assuming +40K winds . From the load/ range tables the MZFW for that distance is 220t, deducting an OEW of 145t gives a payload by weight of 75t.
According to the tables, space available is 633.5 cu. meters, assume a space efficiency of .8 ( this according to Widebodyphotog) and load density of 150kgs/ cu. metre gives a max payload by volume of ~ 76t. So to all intents and purposes the aircraft is fully loaded.
Assumimg MTOW of 347t the fuel load CAN-MEM is 127t. Since the load by volume is maxed out there is no extra payload to be had by doing the route CAN-ANC-MEM . Fuel load for CAN-ANC and ANC-MEM amounts to ~ 125t. Thus in my view there is no advantage doing a refueling stop in ANC for a saving ~2t of fuel.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6369 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3031 times:



Quoting Brons2 (Reply 18):

One other question: Why ETOPS certification for cargo duty? I mean surely, Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim doesn't apply here

Obviously, you have never seen the Tom Hanks movie"Castaway" Big grin



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