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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25543 posts, RR: 50
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12685 times:

Long rumored.

Quote:
United Airlines Announces New Partnership With ExpressJet

CHICAGO, Nov. 16, UAL Corporation, the holding company whose primary subsidiary is United Airlines, today announced that ExpressJet Airlines, a wholly owned subsidiary of ExpressJet Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: XJT - News) will operate 22 ERJ-145 aircraft under the United Express brand.

This new flying, which will begin on May 1, 2010, will replace flying previously done by other United Express partner carriers whose contracts have expired and is consistent with the 2010 capacity outlook United provided in its third quarter earnings conference call.

While not a huge contract for ExpressJet it helps diversify revenues and reduce the risk with many of these planes today operating adhoc charter services.

Full story:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/United...ew-prnews-3181385353.html?x=0&.v=1


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23086 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12684 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
While not a huge contract for ExpressJet it helps diversify revenues and reduce the risk with many of these planes today operating adhoc charter services.

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It's definitely better than what the aircraft are doing now. Is there any word on the hubs these will operate out of?



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User currently offlineBhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12659 times:

ORD is what I have heard... Might have a couple out of IAD to pick up for the Mesa 200's taken out of service.

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3213 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12643 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
This new flying, which will begin on May 1, 2010, will replace flying previously done by other United Express partner carriers whose contracts have expired

Translation: The Mesa contract that was terminated early  Silly

Please, God, let them operate ERJ-145XR's, *especially* if they operate into DEN!! The other models are just God-awful and take weight limits flying to just about everywhere all over hell and creation.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25543 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12588 times:

A few more bits of details on the agreement.

11 aircraft x 2 year term
11 aircraft x 3 year term
up to 5-year renewal options
+
10 aircraft summer 2010 peak flying May-Oct.


Additionally effective December09, XJT will supply United 3+ aircraft to assist in the transition away from Mesa thru May 2010.



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12334 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 3):
Please, God, let them operate ERJ-145XR's, *especially* if they operate into DEN!! The other models are just God-awful and take weight limits flying to just about everywhere all over hell and creation.

Interesting thought, but how do the non-XRs compare to the CR2s that were operating there before? Those aren't exactly hotrods either.

And, how long before someone either here or in the media hails this as another prophetic sign that an CO-UA merger is in the works?  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2806 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12282 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 3):
Please, God, let them operate ERJ-145XR's, *especially* if they operate into DEN!! The other models are just God-awful and take weight limits flying to just about everywhere all over hell and creation.

The EPs are often weight-restricted, but those models only do short hops around Texas and the South where terrain and elevation are not issues.

The LRs seldom take weight restrictions with the increased MGLW modifications. Thankfully, the company completed those modifications a while back and all LRs have the increased weights (43.6 vs. 42.5). That alone has made a very substantial difference in the frequency of weight restrictions (almost never).

The XRs are awesome. Just load it up and go. One would need a full load of passengers with an absurd number of bags plus a few jumpseaters and a far alternate before weight would be an issue.

I've heard many rumors about DEN and ExpressJet is already doing some United Express flying in DEN starting next month.

Thanks for the update, LAXintl.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3213 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12228 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
Interesting thought, but how do the non-XRs compare to the CR2s that were operating there before? Those aren't exactly hotrods either.

The CR2's, hated as they are by many, consistently take 50 of 50 without issue. I can only speak for those ships in the OO fleet though, I've heard from some buddies at 9E/NW that theirs seem to regularly take weight limits.

Maybe OO got bigger motors on theirs or something??

In any case, I work the AX ER4's pretty frequently and it's a nightmare. Sold to 51, weight limited to 43. The worst I ever saw awhile back was a DEN-STL. STL had T-storms so their divert was SGF or somewhere like that. In any case, weight limit was 29 of 50. Comparatively, the worst I've personally ever seen on an OO CR2 was 46 of 50.

Quoting Modesto2 (Reply 6):
The EPs are often weight-restricted, but those models only do short hops around Texas and the South where terrain and elevation are not issues.

If AX sends DEN an EP, you might as well just cancel and go home  Silly

Quoting Modesto2 (Reply 6):
That alone has made a very substantial difference in the frequency of weight restrictions (almost never).

The AX ER4's out of DEN have a hell of a bad time in the summer. There's been a few times they couldn't even be dispatched, given various MEL's.


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12216 times:

Wasn't XJT already doing some IAD/ORD flying under their own brand fairly recently?

-A



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3213 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12214 times:



Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 8):
Wasn't XJT already doing some IAD/ORD flying under their own brand fairly recently?

Out of IAD only, IIRC, to help during peak spring & summer seasons


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12195 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 7):
I've heard from some buddies at 9E/NW that theirs seem to regularly take weight limits.

Could it be the fact that many of theirs were built as 44 seaters?



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12099 times:

Probably the worst-kept secret in the world, as Northwest Indiana newspapers were reporting that XE was going to fly GYY-IAD/DEN and offer connections on UA and Mileage Plus miles over the past two months. This was after the proposed Viza Air public charter canceled early-stage plans after they couldn't get exclusivity at GYY for pax service (good on the airport authority's part... no airport should have exclusivity for one airline, especially if it's a JetAmerica wannabe).

Now, I guess it's going to be full United Express-branded service on XE from GYY-IAD/DEN after all. I wish them success, especially with the huge Mileage Plus base in the NW Indiana area.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 9):

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 8):
Wasn't XJT already doing some IAD/ORD flying under their own brand fairly recently?

Out of IAD only, IIRC, to help during peak spring & summer seasons

It was at ORD, too. I saw an XE "Aquafresh" ER4 at ORD this past August parked at Concourse F.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23086 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12019 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
Could it be the fact that many of theirs were built as 44 seaters?

No. There's no difference in powerplant and avionics in the -440. Just fewer seats and an extra closet.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 7):
In any case, I work the AX ER4's pretty frequently and it's a nightmare. Sold to 51, weight limited to 43. The worst I ever saw awhile back was a DEN-STL. STL had T-storms so their divert was SGF or somewhere like that. In any case, weight limit was 29 of 50.

FWIW, AX isn't the only operator with this issue; I've seen MQ ER4s restricted to as low as 35 and RP 140s restricted to as low as 37-38.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25543 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11994 times:

A little added tidbit from ExpressJet SEC filing today is that United will be granted 2.7mil common shares of XJT stock at exercise price of $0.01 as part of the deal.
With stock price today is in the low $3 range, United could make a handsome profit on those shares.



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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2806 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11899 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 7):
The AX ER4's out of DEN have a hell of a bad time in the summer. There's been a few times they couldn't even be dispatched, given various MEL's.

Sucks for those affected, but you'll have different experiences with XE  Smile


User currently offlinePWMRamper From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 628 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11679 times:

So is this the result of the United RFP for Express flying? Or is there more?

If it's it, I'm surprised, I would've thought United would do anything to get away from the 50 seaters.


User currently offlineJolau1701 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11642 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 7):
The CR2's, hated as they are by many, consistently take 50 of 50 without issue. I can only speak for those ships in the OO fleet though, I've heard from some buddies at 9E/NW that theirs seem to regularly take weight limits.

Maybe OO got bigger motors on theirs or something??

Hint: CRJ200's are nose-heavy.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6049 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11526 times:



Quoting Jolau1701 (Reply 16):

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 7):
The CR2's, hated as they are by many, consistently take 50 of 50 without issue. I can only speak for those ships in the OO fleet though, I've heard from some buddies at 9E/NW that theirs seem to regularly take weight limits.

Maybe OO got bigger motors on theirs or something??

Hint: CRJ200's are nose-heavy.

Actually, the engines do play a part. While most CRJ operators only have CF34-3A1 engines, SkyWest has a special hot-and-high variant of the -3B1.



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User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 853 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11325 times:

The "EP,s" dont always do well on the short Texas and low country routes, they are "MGLW" restricted, thats a landing weight. Thankfully the CO res system we work under places a hold on 3 or 4 seats, so we dont find ourselves in a bind too often. I cant tell you how many times I get a call from ops saying im restricted to 46. And there is not a cloud in the sky between here and IAH, around 250 miles away. But we usually have only 20 to 30 bags with the 50 people we put on, it has not been all that bad. XE has the science down on these EPs, so its relatively stress free.
JD CRPXE
PS. Cudos to XE for diversifying its operation away from CO.

[Edited 2009-11-16 12:13:59]


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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11247 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
No. There's no difference in powerplant and avionics in the -440. Just fewer seats and an extra closet.

That's what I thought, but that would be the only special thing about Pinnacle's.

Quoting Modesto2 (Reply 14):
Sucks for those affected, but you'll have different experiences with XE

Not surprising considering the reputation of Mesa.



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User currently offlineFiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11132 times:



Quoting Modesto2 (Reply 6):
The EPs are often weight-restricted, but those models only do short hops around Texas and the South where terrain and elevation are not issues.

They don't do so well here either. We cringe when we see them on the day's ships. I have one for my flight that will be here in about 20 minutes! Ha!

Danny



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User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4288 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11033 times:
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Quoting Bhmdiversion (Reply 2):
ORD is what I have heard... Might have a couple out of IAD to pick up for the Mesa 200's taken out of service.

Expressjet has already been at IAD -- both for CO and for UA. For a while, COs only Houston service from Dulles was with XRs. Actually, for a three-hour flight, XRs are not so bad. UAX does SAT and AUS out of Dulles -- sometimes with Mesa CR-7s. I do believe XRs would be a more comfortable ride.  bouncy 


User currently offlineFlyiguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9944 times:



Quoting KGAIflyer (Reply 21):
Expressjet has already been at IAD -- both for CO and for UA. For a while, COs only Houston service from Dulles was with XRs. Actually, for a three-hour flight, XRs are not so bad. UAX does SAT and AUS out of Dulles -- sometimes with Mesa CR-7s. I do believe XRs would be a more comfortable ride.

Or Shuttle 170's ...



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User currently offlineUAL777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1556 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9788 times:



Quoting Flyiguy (Reply 22):

Or Shuttle 170's ...

SAT seems to be a mix of Shuttle America and G7 Crj-700s.



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User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9766 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 9):

Out of IAD only, IIRC, to help during peak spring & summer seasons

Mainly out of ORD summer 2009, but some out of IAD.

Only out of IAD summer 2008.


25 VC10er : Can these ExpreesJet E145's be fitted with EXPLUS first class seats?
26 Cubsrule : Can they? Sure, but why would they be? None of the other 50 seaters are.
27 VC10er : I swear I've been on a 50 seater with a "first class" seat/cabin. I thought that is a core part of UA's strategy too: offer a higher teir product for
28 N1120A : Now that is interesting. What percentage of the airline would that give United? Perhaps OO could end up leveraging a purchase of XJT through their ow
29 Falcon84 : Oh, the ExpressJet crews will just love this. I talked to a bunch of F/A's after the flying they did for UA this past summer, and they can't STAND UA,
30 KGAIflyer : -------------------------------- There *are* E70s on the used-aircraft market. But--unfortunately--not on the cheap. Therefore, few American regional
31 Goldenshield : No -700's, but I do see 4 -900s on sale with Irish registration (Which sub-model, is unknown.)
32 P0sitiveRate : Along with the rumor of a new XE hub in China, buying ex-Midwest 717's, etc.,etc. I've never seen a rumor mill as large or unbelievable as that of th
33 KGAIflyer : Geez, For an operator taking on a new series, four frames probably aren't enough to warrant the trouble. But if I was EV, 9E, OO, XJ, or YV I'd be ta
34 777ER : Anyone know when the route announcements will be made for these E145s? Fingers crossed for some ORD-DTW and DTW-DEN!
35 Wingnutmn : The -3A1 engine was on the original -100's series aircraft. Almost all of the -200's have the -3B1 engines. Here at XJ, the only planes that we fly w
36 Joeljack : United is removing something like 25-30 CRJ's from Mesa. These ERJ's will just replace the CRJ on a one to one basis. There won't be any additional c
37 FL787 : I don't think it's a direct replacement because if it is, how does ASA fit in?
38 IAD51FL : Was it UA in general they were complaining about or the ground staff at IAD/ORD? Since it was just the F/A's complaining it could have been the gate
39 N7371f : Does anybody with XJ on here know what the breakout is for the Corporate flying...ie Ship #'s?
40 Post contains images UnitedTristar : I think the Chautauqua contract for ERJ145's ends at the end of the year as well. -m   [Edited 2009-11-17 16:11:12]
41 Bahadir : That is correct.. 7 -EP aircraft are being taken off the UAL flying as of December 31st.
42 KGAIflyer : I've heard S5 FAs complain that Dulles gate agents do grant upgrades from Y+ to F and then in no way notify the crews -- making them have to check bo
43 Cubsrule : I can't speak to the 170s (which I don't think have this problem as much), but operational (i.e. onboard) upgrades to Y+ and F are quite common on li
44 Sldispatcher : Somewhere in this realm of possibilites, I would think a flight to an XJT maintenance base will be highly likely. I'm not up on all of United/United
45 KGAIflyer : I've only actually been on a CR-7 flight that did this on SFO-YYC. That's an odd route. Some days it sells out, some days it travels weight-restricte
46 Transpac787 : This is a bit of a ridiculous complaint, we do this *all the time* and they should well know to expect it by now. It's incredibly rare that F on the
47 KGAIflyer : Don't shoot the messenger. I'm simply the 1K client who had his boarding class checked to be sure he "belonged" in one of the 6 F seats.
48 KGAIflyer : (1) I have no problem with DEN and never have -- I buy my Powerball tickets there. (2) I have no problem with IAD and never have -- it's my home airp
49 Transpac787 : Well, thank you for your business To indirectly address the FA's who complain about this, the seating chart shows something like this: 1A - KGAIflyer
50 1011 : As a 1K'er on UA I am very happy about the extra 145's. I hate the CRJ 200. It is cramped and the window is below my shoulder which makes using it alm
51 Goldenshield : The windows aren't mis-aligned; the seats are. They were designed for 1 windows per row, with a common seat pitch, not 3 different sections with 3 di
52 Transpac787 : I think it has to do with how the CRJ's are rarely weight limited while the ER4's are rarely *not* limited. With the ER4's there are constantly denie
53 Goldenshield : That's not the issue. It's the low placement. I get "neck wreck" whenever I get a window seat on a a Boeing product; not so on Airbus, EMB, or the CR
54 Post contains images KGAIflyer : I haven't been in that wing for a while. But they could pack them in during the Dornier 328 days.
55 ThePinnacleKid : An airplane is an airplane is an airplane type thinking isn't necessarily true in this case... RJ's are vastly different in regards to their outfitti
56 Goldenshield : That is, until Mainline UA says, "You will follow our express guidelines, or else face penalties," like they did with all of the express carriers tha
57 Alias1024 : Let me see if I have this right. ExpressJet is offering to sell a little over 1/6th of their company to United in exchange for $27,000, 3 years of fly
58 United1 : Oh and that $27,000 investment by UA is worth $10.8 million as of today... Basically XJ offered a 10 million incentive to UA to sign the contact....i
59 LAXintl : No $10mil is not a huge thing, however if ExpressJet earnings improve (since having taken a huge tumble during branded ops days) and stock moves back
60 Justlump : Wow, the CO res system that I dealt with for over a decade would NEVER place a hold on seats despite years of invols and constant lobbying. In fact,
61 Post contains images KGAIflyer : Is it my imagination? Or is an ERJ-145XR more roomy than a CRJ-200ER with the *same* passenger load?
62 Goldenshield : It's a trick of the eye. Also, the lack of overhead bins on the left, coupled with bigger headrests make the seats seem bigger than they really are.
63 FL787 : According to United.com ExpressJet is going to be flying ORD-BHM/BNA starting December 2. If this deal starts in May, what kind of flying is this? I k
64 LAXintl : As posted below.
65 FL787 : Oh sorry. Thanks. Next month seems really early to begin to the withdrawal of YV planes when they don't end until April.
66 Hp2us : Just got and Email notification from UA about my flight on the 14th of December changing... Monday, December 14, 2009 United Airlines # 339 Boston Log
67 IndyWA : This is exactly what happened with Shuttle America too. They had ovens installed....UA didn't want to use them. They could have had IFE put in, but U
68 Goldenshield : Same thing for Delta. We had ovens in our CRJs for YX, so putting them in the CRJ9 for first should be no issue, but DL didn't want it that way, so h
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