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Why No Link Between KE + KL?  
User currently offlinePietPiloot From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 41 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

I did expect Koreanair to increase their flights between AMS en ICN when KLM became part of Skyteam. However there seems to be no link between the two airlines. Koreanair does only operate 3x a week with an Airbus A330 and it even continues to Madrid after AMS. KLM has its own flights to ICN but there is no codeshare whatsoever.

My question is why? With Skyteam is sounds logic to cooperate and make better use of the AMS and ICN hubs.

PietPiloot

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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

Some factors that may explain this are for example the situation in the cargo market.

Does KL fly a combi to ICN or do they fly a full pax aircraft? Do either KL, KE or both have dedicated freighter service on the route? I think the alliances are used mostly for passenger transport, but I'm not sure if cargo is part of the game.

There may also be legal limitations that have to first be overcome on either side.



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User currently offline777klm From China, joined Apr 2005, 532 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Well... they're also linked through SkyTeam CARGO:
http://www.skyteamcargo.com/en/

(off topic, BrightCedars: "I want the European Union flag on airliners.net!", as a European Studies student I'd love to see that too!)



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3181 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2573 times:



Quoting PietPiloot (Thread starter):
KLM has its own flights to ICN but there is no codeshare whatsoever.

Does the Amsterdam - S. Korea bilateral agreement allow multiple frequencies through codeshares?


User currently offlinePietPiloot From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

The strange thing is that there are codeshare flights of Koreanair from ICN to AMS via PRG on CSA. So if a customer books a ticket on KE from ICN to AMS on a day that KE doesn't fly to AMS, he or she will be routed via PRG in stead of on a direct fligtht on KLM which is just like CSA a Skyteam partner.

PietPiloot


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4353 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

A factor can be that Seoul's location makes it a less interesting hub for frequent KLM flyers; only Japan is an interesting destination without much backtracking involved. SE Asia or Australia would mean a big detour from Europe via Seoul. So maybe because KLM won't give Korean much feed because Seoul is only interesting as final destination, Korean doesn't want to return a favor either.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25860 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2031 times:



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
Australia would mean a big detour from Europe via Seoul.

That's not correct and is a common misconception. From many points in Europe, a routing to Australia via Seoul is virtually the same distance, and in some cases even shorter, than via other common connecting hubs. Using AMS-SYD for examplle:

AMS-ICN-SYD 9117 nm
AMS-HKG-SYD 8997 nm
AMS-BKK-SYD 9028 nm
AMS-SIN-SYD 9074 nm
AMS-DXB-SYD 9294 nm

The difference via ICN compared to the major South East Asian hubs is so small as to be meaningless, and it's 177 nm shorter via ICN than via DXB.


User currently offlinePietPiloot From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

I am sure that if KoreanAir would cooperate with KLM like you would expect in an alliance, they would be able to fill up a daily B744 on the route.

PietPiloot


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