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New Airline For Senegal?  
User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2175 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

http://www.ameinfo.com/216239.html

The article indicates that a new airline will be created for Senegal. What happened to Air Senegal International, and why does the new company think they can survive when V7 could not?

I would have thought starting a new airline now in this climate would be foolish. But it appears they found financing.

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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2017 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3227 times:
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I believe V7 failed because of internal feuding between it's owners (initially 51% Royal Air Maroc, 49% Senegal Government). Being familiar with the problems that continuously plagued Air Afrique, anyone could have predicted the failure of V7. Royal Air Maroc pulled the plug after government meddling became too much to deal with. The Senegalese government, for it's part, tried to blame Royal Air Maroc for not dedicating sufficient resources (code for unlimited and unrestricted supplies of free cash) to keep V7 going.

Quite honestly, I'm dubious of any West African airline's long term prospects if local governments are involved.



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3208 times:

Yes a new Senegalese airline will be launched.Senegal Airlines.

They have plan to beginn in Western African countries and then Europe. Paris ?

No equipment revealed.

The son of President of Senegal is in the founders........same as in Gabon with Gabon Airlines.


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2175 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3177 times:



Quoting FCKC (Reply 2):
The son of President of Senegal is in the founders........same as in Gabon with Gabon Airlines

That doesn't bode well. Sounds like another ego project.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2245 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

By the looks of it, A330s are in the game...



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17827 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

Emirates is involved apparently...that's where the 2 330s are coming from.

http://www.jeuneafrique.com/Article/...ates-pour-lancer-la-compagnie.html



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2245 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3123 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
Emirates is involved apparently...that's where the 2 330s are coming from.

But the pic shows a non-RR powered A332? All EK 330s are RR engined, no?



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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3043 times:



Quoting JoKeR (Reply 4):
By the looks of it, A330s are in the game...



Quoting PA110 (Reply 1):

Quite honestly, I'm dubious of any West African airline's long term prospects if local governments are involved.

Right away I believe an A330 is too much of an a/c but they are getting single-aisle a/c probably A319 or 320 which is what I believed they should have gone with an all single-aisle fleet...I'm skeptical but it has a chance to work...



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User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3002 times:



Quoting JoKeR (Reply 6):
But the pic shows a non-RR powered A332? All EK 330s are RR engined, no?

I don't think an "artistic vision" goes into such details.

President's son in the mix : not good indeed.



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Well the lievry looks good and Senegal Airlines good do well in connecting Paris and Brussels to West African cities. AF and SN use widebodies to DFakar so why not Senegal Airlines.


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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

One advantage they do have is their hub in DKR. DKR is conveniently located the crossroads between the northeast US (BOS, JFK, IAD) and Subsaharan Africa (JNB, CPT, LOS, NBO) as well as being between Europe (LHR, CDG, FRA) and South America (GIG, GRU, EZE, MVD).


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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2175 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2866 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 10):
One advantage they do have is their hub in DKR. DKR is conveniently located the crossroads between the northeast US (BOS, JFK, IAD) and Subsaharan Africa (JNB, CPT, LOS, NBO) as well as being between Europe (LHR, CDG, FRA) and South America (GIG, GRU, EZE, MVD).

True, but this works well for an airline with lots of widebodies. Creating hub at DKR with narrowbodies is probably not easy because DKR is so far West of Africa. Paris-Abidjan passengers probably aren't going to consider PAR-DKR-ABJ. CMN is a much better hub point between Europe and West Africa.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

To be competitive , they need to have the same fares as those from AF and SN.
An A320 would not work well , as Senegalese have too many bags , and thus no space left for cargo...........

Their first destinations in Europe will be PAR , BRU and MIL.They will go head to head with AF , SN and AZ.Good luck !

Perhaps one day they will open DKR-JFK , as Air Afrique had the habit to do with their DC10s.
All will probably depend of Emirates.........


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2754 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 11):
True, but this works well for an airline with lots of widebodies.

Well, the article does mention widebodies, so I wonder which ones they will use. It would be cool to see a 787, as it would open up markets like BOS, but that's probably wishful thinking.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 11):
Creating hub at DKR with narrowbodies is probably not easy because DKR is so far West of Africa. Paris-Abidjan passengers probably aren't going to consider PAR-DKR-ABJ. CMN is a much better hub point between Europe and West Africa.

I was actually thinking more along the lines of a DXB-like hub.



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2175 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

http://www.independent.com.mt/news.asp?newsitemid=97956

A newspaper in Malta is reporting that the new Senegal Airlines will receive cooperation from EK. I'm surprised by this. What does EK get out of this? And with the recent announcement of Dubai World problems (which admittedly took place after the press release above) I would think EK would have other problems on their hands.

Is there any new news from Senegal Airlines? Creating an airline in this environment can't be easy.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17827 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2498 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 14):
I'm surprised by this. What does EK get out of this? And with the recent announcement of Dubai World problems (which admittedly took place after the press release above) I would think EK would have other problems on their hands.

I think DKR is a ripe opportunity for a viable carrier whose backers are willing to make the effort and deal with African governments. Whether EK is that entity remains to be seen... DP world does operate a container port in Dakar...



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4359 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

I think it will be a waste of taxpayers money having the government involved, meaning officials can claim aircraft for shopping trips leaving fare paying passengers behind who will choose Air France next time.
I was in Dakar in march and it felt disorganized and unsafe, if you don't have friends or an organization who pick you up right at the exit you probably end up in a fight with taxi drivers who all try to litterally pull you on board and overcharge you for the ride if not worse. They should control it better before it even stands a chance as hub.
Casablanca in contrast is modern, clear and has a safe and quick train connection.



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