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What Is OMEGA71 And Pyras?  
User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 490 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4057 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/OMEGA71

It's a 707 with callsign Omega 71 and a destination of PYRAS which doesn't have any airport code attached to it. What does PYRAS mean and who's the operator of Omega 71?

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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

Omega Air Tanker B707 will be what this is.

PYRAS is an intersection, and Victorville is the destination.


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7575 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

The FP is for the plane to fly out a service area. Do some work under military flight rules, then a new FP for the flight back to Victorville. You can see from the Flightaware info the plan was on station between three and four hours.

The company provides air-air refueling for US Navy squadrons doing training out at sea. Saves the Navy pilots a lot of time not having to go back and refuel on land or a carrier - and saves the taxpayers a lot of money on the extra time and fuel to do so.

http://www.omegaairrefueling.com/vms/


User currently offline413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

I find it hard to believe that is cheaper than just having a military refueler out there, especially being good practice for the refueler once they get to a war zone

User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7575 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3853 times:



Quoting 413x3 (Reply 3):
I find it hard to believe that is cheaper than just having a military refueler out there, especially being good practice for the refueler once they get to a war zone

Aside from the political decision to move these types of operations to civilian contractors made by Cheyney/ Rumsfeld there are other issues.

Carrier based aircraft will be completely different types of tankers - and the carrier base tankers do not have the range and time on-station to support this type training.

There is also the issue of scheduling and availability. To get a KC-135 often means a reserve crew has to come in for a training drill. And the aircraft cannot be scheduled for an USAF requirement, or a deployment.

This company has built a nice niche market. They make their money because they fly old, fully amortized aircraft for a relatively low number of hours. Their cost of operation per hour even with the old 4 burner is much below an airline or a military aircraft operational cost.


User currently offlineCatdaddy63 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3783 times:
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IIRC most of the KC-135 fleet is not equipped to do the hose/drogue refueling that the carrier based aircraft require. The KC-10 fleet can but is probably tightly stretched supporting USAF missions.

User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 4):

Aside from the political decision to move these types of operations to civilian contractors made by Cheyney/ Rumsfeld there are other issues.

Carrier based aircraft will be completely different types of tankers - and the carrier base tankers do not have the range and time on-station to support this type training.

There is also the issue of scheduling and availability. To get a KC-135 often means a reserve crew has to come in for a training drill. And the aircraft cannot be scheduled for an USAF requirement, or a deployment.

This company has built a nice niche market. They make their money because they fly old, fully amortized aircraft for a relatively low number of hours. Their cost of operation per hour even with the old 4 burner is much below an airline or a military aircraft operational cost.

You are exactly right. They are like flying gas stations literally because the navy or whatever branch uses them, gets billed for the fuel they use. Not for the entire tanks worth and stuff like that. It's really a cheaper way to go in the long run and the guys flying these planes love it! They get to travel all over the world. They can sometimes take their families with them. One reason is because their DC-10-40 that they have, still has all its seats in it still from its Japan Airlines days! The pilots are more than happy to help out our military men and women dragging them across the ocean or the states. Plus, the Omega guys take really good care of their jets so they may be old, but by God they are like tanks once Omega gets done with them!!! Their DC-10-40 is just amazing!

It should be noted they also work with our Allies like England and Germany, etc.

[Edited 2009-11-18 16:06:47 by lexy]


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