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United Close To 787 Or A350 Order  
User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14995 times:

The Chicago Tribune is reporting tonight that UA is close to ordering 25 787s or A350s with options for 75. So with this, it seems like the 747 is not getting replaced with this order. The article goes on to say that Airbus might be in the lead if it only comes down to purchase price. I don't know how true that is because Airbus is going to have to make up the exchange rate--their costs are in EUR and their revenue is in USD. They won't be able to really put a low ball offer out there as they might have been able to do in years past with the USD where it is currently.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...d-planeorder-nov19-,0,867224.story


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User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14967 times:

Not to beat a dead horse: UA has said, and it's referenced in many other posts, that they want the manufacturer they chose to pay above market rates for the planes they retire (that was in the Seattle Post blog) and to finance the purchase of the aircraft they do acquire without UA being required to make progress payments as the aircraft are built. This is about which manufacturer will still stick their balance sheet out further and less about the plane chosen.

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30978 posts, RR: 86
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14828 times:
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They've also been quoted as feeling the 787 will not meet the performance targets for West Coast to Europe or East Coast to Asia which has many assuming this means they will order the A350XWB.

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14784 times:



Quoting Zone1 (Thread starter):
The Chicago Tribune is reporting tonight

Nothing wrong with having a separate thread on this big order but, in case anyone missed it, it's already being discussed here.

United Fleet Update (by United787 Oct 7 2009 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting Zone1 (Thread starter):
http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...d-planeorder-nov19-,0,867224.story

Shame they couldn't get their facts right..

"Aside from US Airways, Airbus has yet to land a U.S. airline customer for the A350."


User currently offlineJtdieffen From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14686 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
They've also been quoted as feeling the 787 will not meet the performance targets for West Coast to Europe or East Coast to Asia which has many assuming this means they will order the A350XWB.

Did they specifically say that they were concerned about those things? I thought that they only had a vague comment about not thinking the 787 could complete the desired missions, which I suppose could suggest what you said above, but again, didn't provide specifics. I'm truthfully skeptical of these really being concerns though, since the 787 and A350 have relatively comparable range. The 787 basically has better range than anything in United's fleet now. The A358 and 789 have similar mission capabilities, but I would think that the 787 has the advantage as it will most likely be the lighter of the two birds.



Regards! JDief
User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14592 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 3):
Nothing wrong with having a separate thread on this big order but, in case anyone missed it, it's already being discussed here.

Whoops, I didn't think to look at that thread since I thought it was just for 737 retirements and interior conversions.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
They've also been quoted as feeling the 787 will not meet the performance targets for West Coast to Europe or East Coast to Asia which has many assuming this means they will order the A350XWB.

I think Airbus has a fighting chance because the original request for proposal was a winner takes all order with the assumption that the 747 would be replaced with the same manufacturer. For Boeing to win the 747 replacement, United would have to order a GE engine. This hasn't happened since UA232.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9638 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14482 times:

I personally am on pins and needles. UA has had a historical relationship with Boeing, especially after the 777 program. The Boeing planes in their fleet do perform well, but Airbus is offering a good product. We will wait and see!! I do think however that United is in a good position now since it is not taking new deliveries unlike AA, CO, AS, WN, and DL who are all taking planes now in bad economic times after negotiating for them during good economic times. UA will benefit from Boeing and Airbus being desperate for new orders so that they do not have to cut production rates more.


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14390 times:

I'd like to think that this would be Airbus' to lose but i think this will be a politically sensitive order.

The A320s were purchased at a time when they were demonstrably better than the 737 classics available, and the gap was wide enough to justify not choosing an American aircraft. I think aircraft orders then were a bit less political as everyone was ordering and there was more than enough business to go around.

However, I think in the current economic climate, with UA still a major figurehead US Airline, the political fallout of ordering an Airbus product over the US-made Boeing (who are headquartered in the same city as UA) would be far worse now. Buying the French plane over the US one when US jobs are on the line, with US families needing the support that a Boeing order would bring, would not go down well at all with a large swathe of Americans. Yes, US Airways ordered the A350, but they have been a loyal Airbus user for years and years and with the greatest of respect, they are not the figurehead monolithic symbol that United are. You only have to look at the USAF Tanker contest to see that feelings run far higher in the US about this issue than in Europe etc. Whilst we would not see Senate involvement in the same way we did with the KC45 win, there would definitely be major fallout.

United have been a loyal Boeing user for their long-haul fleet for many years, way before the DC10s and Tristars were around, and there is a lot of history there. Given that the actual specs of 789 vs A359 (which is what we assume the battle is between) are so close for UA's purposes that there is little or no daylight between the two, then other factors will come into play. You'd have to assume that the Airbus offer would be comparable in price to Boeing's, as any undercutting on the Boeing price would be swallowed up to some extent by the very disadvantageous exchange rate, so if the planes are roughly the same, the price is roughly the same near enough, then things like passenger appeal, MX pooling etc come into play, and being a US company, there would naturally be a preference for the "home team". UA's shareholders are good honest Americans and the vast majority would, all things being equal, choose the Boeing over the Airbus.

There is no doubt that if Airbus wins this contest that they will have worked very, very hard to do so, and UA will have got their A350s at a very, very good price. I think Airbus will be willing to do this to secure a second major A350 stronghold in the US, especially as it may give DL pause over their fleet renewals later on. CO and AA are a lost cause and Airbus will never win a thing at either carrier no matter how good their product is, but DL is not as insurmountable as some here think.

Can Boeing win at UA? - its an absolute coin toss for me.

I think it will go like this: (guesswork obviously)

789 - slightly more expensive per airframe than the A359.
789 - slightly better range than the A359.
789 - slightly inferior payload lift than the A359.
789 - same financing costs as the A359.
789 - slightly more expensive per airframe for training than the A359.
787 - GENX slightly preferred to Trent on the A350.
789 - available slightly earlier than the A359.
789 - not as good from an "upgauge" standpoint than the A359*
787 - built in the US, and seen as "home" choice over the A350.
787 - will safeguard US jobs over the A350.

Could go either way!


* - The A359 offers the possibility to obtain the A3510 with great savings in commonality and training etc, whereas the 787-10 is murky at best right now.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14386 times:



Quoting Zone1 (Reply 5):
Whoops, I didn't think to look at that thread since I thought it was just for 737 retirements and interior conversions.

No problem. As I said, there's no harm in a separate thread for what may well be the biggest widebody order of the year.

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 5):
For Boeing to win the 747 replacement, United would have to order a GE engine.

That's often held up as an obstacle but surely airlines can get over that kind of thing?

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
UA has had a historical relationship with Boeing, especially after the 777 program.

I'd have thought their relationship before the 777 was a good deal stronger!  Wink


User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14247 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
Buying the French plane over the US one when US jobs are on the line, with US families needing the support that a Boeing order would bring, would not go down well at all with a large swathe of Americans.

- I don't think anyone would really care. Business buys what it needs (tankers are different story, it's about taxpayers money), same as regular customers. Plus, Airbus is not considered a "French" thing by "large swathe of Americans"  Smile. Anyway, United won't lose any noticeable amount of customers just because of that.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3791 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14108 times:
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United had relationship with Boeing since the early 1930's with the introduction of the Boeing 247, the then competitor to the Douglas DC-2. If I recall correctly United was founded in 1931 with the introduction of the 247 and it was the first airline to then offer service with a flight attendant on board. This was the beginning of the strong ties between United, Boeing and Pratt & Whitney.

As mentioned before, in the early 90's, United chose the A320 over the Boeing 737-400 because at that time no Boeing aircraft met the requited performance, the 700 didn't exist. United needed a medium haul aircraft, an aircraft that would replace the 727 then widely in service, for hot and high operations out of Denver CO and capable to fly nonstop segments of over 1000NM.
I like both A and B products, but I personally think Boeing is likely to win the order because the 787 meets performance requirements, plus Boeing and United both have their corporate headquarters in Chicago, unless Airbus offers very competitive prices to the A350XWB. Boeing has a hard time selling the 747-8i, they may say to United if you purchase 787's from us we'll propose you a sweet deal for the 747-8i, and they will end up selling the 747-8 to United at a discount rate. United hasn't ruled out the 747-8i did they? I know Emirates did. The only problem I see with the 747-8 is, as mentioned, GE being the only available power plant, maybe Boeing will consider offering it with PW and RR engines as well. Wouldn't that make it more marketable?

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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14035 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
the actual specs of 789 vs A359 (which is what we assume the battle is between)

Why do "we" assume this? Doesn't the 789 compete more directly with the A350-800?


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13966 times:



Quoting American 767 (Reply 10):
the 787 meets performance requirements

Not according to this.

http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2009...-decision-on-refleeting/#more-2204

Quoting American 767 (Reply 10):
Boeing and United both have their corporate headquarters in Chicago

It's hard to see why that would be relevant.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 10):
United hasn't ruled out the 747-8i did they?

It hasn't been entirely ruled out but they've said they aren't very interested in it;

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-interest-in-the-boeing-747-8.html

Quoting American 767 (Reply 10):
maybe Boeing will consider offering it with PW and RR engines as well.

Not even the remotest chance of this happening.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 10):
Wouldn't that make it more marketable?

Perhaps but probably also a great deal less profitable for Boeing and impossible for an engine manufacturer to make a profit on.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13904 times:

Are they replacing the entire B 767-300 fleet with this order? If yes then 25 is not enough! How many B 767s do they have? I suppose they are replacing the oldest B 767-300s only right?

What about the B 757s? Seems that they are not replacing them in this order.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13830 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 13):
Are they replacing the entire B 767-300 fleet with this order? If yes then 25 is not enough! How many B 767s do they have? I suppose they are replacing the oldest B 767-300s only right?

An initial order of 25 must be seen as little more than a start. In effect, they are starting a process that will eventually see UA replace their 747s, 767s and 777s. But that will take a decade or more and quite possibly more than one type of widebody.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 13):
What about the B 757s? Seems that they are not replacing them in this order.

It now seems that UA will have a separate competition for this requirement in 2010.


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13735 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
However, I think in the current economic climate, with UA still a major figurehead US Airline, the political fallout of ordering an Airbus product over the US-made Boeing (who are headquartered in the same city as UA) would be far worse now. Buying the French plane over the US one when US jobs are on the line, with US families needing the support that a Boeing order would bring, would not go down well at all with a large swathe of Americans.

UA's management is there only to maximize shareholders value, not to secure jobs at Boeing.
I have seen some self critic comments from UA's mangement last years, and I think that is their only priority at this point.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
You only have to look at the USAF Tanker contest to see that feelings run far higher in the US about this issue than in Europe etc. Whilst we would not see Senate involvement in the same way we did with the KC45 win, there would definitely be major fallout.

That was about tax payers money, which is a more sensitive topic.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
Can Boeing win at UA? - its an absolute coin toss for me.

I think it will go like this: (guesswork obviously)

Good analysis.....  checkmark   checkmark 



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User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 914 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13729 times:

I see in the end UA going with Boeing, because they will come under fire for not spending in the USA, and also the Chicago thing has a little to do with it. My money says that we will see UA and Boeing announcing a 25 frame 787 order with options for 75 more, (order 15 788 and 10 789 and options for 35 789 and 40 788), I see Boeing also holding off on requesting payment until the frames are built.


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13658 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 11):

I think UA are interested in the 789 as a 763 and 772 replacement, but I think the A359 is the more capable A350 and if UA are interested in an A350, my money is on the A359 to replace a raft of their 772s - granted they are different aircraft for different roles, but I havent seen the tender requirements - so I dont know whether they are after one aircraft that can replace the 763 and 772A and 772ER fleets, or one that is solely a 772A and 772ER replacement.

I assume both are equally capable at their targetted roles as each other.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13638 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
personally am on pins and needles. UA has had a historical relationship with Boeing, especially after the 777 program. The Boeing planes in their fleet do perform well, but Airbus is offering a good product.

I think UA has a very good mixture of Airbus and Boeing aircraft.
If I recall correctly the order of United also includes a 757 replacement which will likely be the A321 with winglets.

For me there are two options for UA:

narrowbody fleet all Airbus (A319 - A321) and widebody fleet all Boeing 787, 777, 747 (maybe even the 747-8I)

or UA choosing the A350 and going all Airbus which would be unlikely.

I think they go the way many airlines do today and split their wide- and narrowbody fleet between the two manufacturers



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13623 times:



Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 15):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
However, I think in the current economic climate, with UA still a major figurehead US Airline, the political fallout of ordering an Airbus product over the US-made Boeing (who are headquartered in the same city as UA) would be far worse now. Buying the French plane over the US one when US jobs are on the line, with US families needing the support that a Boeing order would bring, would not go down well at all with a large swathe of Americans.

UA's management is there only to maximize shareholders value, not to secure jobs at Boeing.
I have seen some self critic comments from UA's mangement last years, and I think that is their only priority at this point.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
You only have to look at the USAF Tanker contest to see that feelings run far higher in the US about this issue than in Europe etc. Whilst we would not see Senate involvement in the same way we did with the KC45 win, there would definitely be major fallout.

That was about tax payers money, which is a more sensitive topic.

I just think in this climate of economic downturn in the US, that anyone seen to be not batting for the home team, especially ones with the nationalistic profile that UA has, would come under considerable pressure to alter their standpoint. Even at the best of times the US public and its political machinery has shown itself to be very sensitive to anyone not batting for the home team, but in this climate you'd have to say it will be much worse - awareness is much higher, and there would be a considerable media fallout. The media love to attack anyone not batting for the home team in the US, and the politicians know how to exploit this. UA would get a hammering for ordering Airbus, in the public eye and in the media, and thats seriously bad news for an airline like UA. UA have to recognise this, thats all I'm saying.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13611 times:
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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
personally am on pins and needles. UA has had a historical relationship with Boeing, especially after the 777 program. The Boeing planes in their fleet do perform well, but Airbus is offering a good product. We will wait and see!! I do think however that United is in a good position now since it is not taking new deliveries unlike AA, CO, AS, WN, and DL who are all taking planes now in bad economic times after negotiating for them during good economic times. UA will benefit from Boeing and Airbus being desperate for new orders so that they do not have to cut production rates more.

I was thinking too since the 350s won't be available for a while still, is there a possibility Airbus offering UA a very good deal on some 332s in the interim while they wait for the 350s?

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
There is no doubt that if Airbus wins this contest that they will have worked very, very hard to do so, and UA will have got their A350s at a very, very good price. I think Airbus will be willing to do this to secure a second major A350 stronghold in the US, especially as it may give DL pause over their fleet renewals later on. CO and AA are a lost cause and Airbus will never win a thing at either carrier no matter how good their product is, but DL is not as insurmountable as some here think.

I agree with this synopsis. Thanks, Chris. This makes a lot of sense.

Quoting PM (Reply 8):
I'd have thought their relationship before the 777 was a good deal
stronger!

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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13611 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 18):
I think they go the way many airlines do today and split their wide- and narrowbody fleet between the two manufacturers

They already said that it is a winner takes all contest - ie no split.

Although personally I think the 788 - A359/A3510 split makes the most sense for them. Anything else would be a compromise to my mind.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10025 posts, RR: 96
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13577 times:
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Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 1):
Not to beat a dead horse:

Why do it then? Just so it gives the usual convenient "get out" if Airbus wins?
Neither of the airframers will take an order like this at a loss, no matter how convenient it is to argue such. They might have to come up with some elegant, innovative, win-win financing scenarios, but that's the nature of the business..

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
They've also been quoted as feeling the 787 will not meet the performance targets for West Coast to Europe or East Coast to Asia which has many assuming this means they will order the A350XWB.

Like every other airline, they'll order the plane that best fits their need......

Quoting Jtdieffen (Reply 4):
The A358 and 789 have similar mission capabilities, but I would think that the 787 has the advantage as it will most likely be the lighter of the two birds.

Why is that an advantage if bigger wings and bigger engines make the A350 more efficient? If it was just about weight, everyone would be ordering 767's....

Quoting PM (Reply 11):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
the actual specs of 789 vs A359 (which is what we assume the battle is between)

Why do "we" assume this? Doesn't the 789 compete more directly with the A350-800?

My question too.

The A359 is a different, and considerably bigger animal than the 787-9

Rgds


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13556 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 17):
I think UA are interested in the 789 as a 763 and 772 replacement, but I think the A359 is the more capable A350 and if UA are interested in an A350, my money is on the A359 to replace a raft of their 772s

I was going to point to a 788 + 350 combo but you've already done so below!

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 20):
is there a possibility Airbus offering UA a very good deal on some 332s in the interim while they wait for the 350s?

There is every chance! Nor should the A330s be seen as merely 'interim'. In fact, I could very easily see a large fleet of A330s to replace the 767s on transatlantic ops and a fleet of A350s to replace the 777-200ERs.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 21):
Although personally I think the 788 - A359/A3510 split makes the most sense for them.

Me too. (With, of course, RR on both!  Wink)


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13494 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 23):
Quoting LACA773 (Reply 20):
is there a possibility Airbus offering UA a very good deal on some 332s in the interim while they wait for the 350s?

There is every chance! Nor should the A330s be seen as merely 'interim'. In fact, I could very easily see a large fleet of A330s to replace the 767s on transatlantic ops and a fleet of A350s to replace the 777-200ERs.

Am i the only one who thinks some Rolls-powered A332s in the new UA livery would be absolutely drop dead gorgeous?

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 22):
My question too.

The A359 is a different, and considerably bigger animal than the 787-9

Rgds

As I said above - depends what they want them for. We dont know if they are after a 763 and 772 replacement or just a 772 replacement. The 789 is as good at the former as the A359 is at the latter - do you see what I mean? Since we dont know what the criteria is, the fact that the two choices are different aircraft for different missions doesnt really matter - they can compete if we dont know the mission? Sorry am not explaining myself very well. I've got a hangover!  Wink



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
25 Post contains links Lightsaber : United Aircraft anyone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Aircraft_and_Transport_Corporation Hence why the original A320 order was so shocking. 192
26 PM : No. Understood. It's 4pm on Friday in Japan. I expect to start working on my own hangover in a couple of hours...
27 ADent : I have a feeling UA is leaning towards Airbus - but if Boeing will play ball then they could go Boeing. I don't see how Boeing can cough up some good
28 CHRISBA777ER : Little bit longer to wait here in Singapore!
29 Columba : I believe that when I see it, airline representatives say a lot. I see no alternative to the A321 as a 757 replacement. UA has no 737NGs in their fle
30 CHRISBA777ER : I still think they are the most likely to take A388s of the US majors. I absolutely would not rule it out. For their transpac operations, say SFO-NRT
31 United Airline : They will probably keep the B 777-200/200ER for a long time to come. They will most likely replace: 1) Most B 757s with A 321s 2) B767s and some B757s
32 CHRISBA777ER : My sentiments precisely. 788 - A359 - A3510 - A388. Its a hell of a convincing line-up. Just ask BA.
33 777law : Isn't there just as much chance that Boeing could offer some 772ER's or 77W's in the interim until the 787 is ready? This would obviously maintain co
34 Worldrider : come on guys don't understimate American Patriotism, specially today, i'm open for a good surprise though. UA is not like HA or B6.
35 IADCA : It's a bit hard to speculate on this one. That said, I'll now engage in some blatant and rampant speculation. If UA's philosophy is to replace frame f
36 CHRISBA777ER : Given how much larger UA are than CO, my first thought would be that you've got it the wrong way round. It would be CO that would have to allign with
37 Post contains images Keesje : The favourite excuse for Airbus orders. It deflects from less easy winners as "better aircraft" Proven, efficient A330s starting next year proved an
38 PM : Every chance. But Boeing have nothing as attractive for TATL routes (such as to Zurich) as the A330-200. Really? UA have first generation 777s with P
39 Post contains links ManuCH : This topic is already being discussed in the following thread: United Fleet Update (by United787 Oct 7 2009 in Civil Aviation) Please continue discuss
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