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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2171 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

Doesn't JAL cargo still fly to LHR? I thought they had regular flights there. If they cancelled them, does anyone remember the schedule?

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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2900 times:



Quoting AF022 (Thread starter):
Doesn't JAL cargo still fly to LHR? I thought they had regular flights there.

JAL cargo has no cargo flights to LHR anymore. All cargo operations are now consolidated in AMS and FRA.

Quoting AF022 (Thread starter):
If they cancelled them, does anyone remember the schedule?

They did JL6401 NRT-ANC-LHR β†’ JL6402 LHR-NRT (I think 3x weekly), B74Y.
They did JL6403 NRT-ANC-LHR-AMS β†’ JL6404 AMS-NRT (once weekly, day 7) B74Y
and they got JL6407 NRT-AMS-LHR β†’ JL6408 LHR-NRT (twice weekly, day 3 and 5) B74Y.

London has a bad position for the cargo market. Feeding the flights from mainland Europe is also big trouble, to cross the Channel, time consuming, and known for delays.



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6840 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

Looking at the JALcargo site, all cargo to LHR is in the hold of regular pax services. Cargo flights to Europe are codeshared with LH using LH aircraft and terminate in FRA.

http://www.jal.co.jp/en/jalcargo/inter/time.html



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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2889 times:



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 2):
Cargo flights to Europe are codeshared with LH using LH aircraft and terminate in FRA.

JL and LH have a codeshare indeed. But JAL operates also own aircraft!
LH operates MD11F a few times per week, with fuelstop in Russia (KJA), to NRT and KIX.
JL operates 3 B744F per week NRT-AMS-FRA.

Both carriers have allotments on these flights, using codeshare.



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2790 times:



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 1):
They did JL6401 NRT-ANC-LHR β†’ JL6402 LHR-NRT (I think 3x weekly), B74Y.

Thanks. Do you know what schedule this flight operated?


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

This must be a recent change, I believe about couple months ago JL operated the ANC to LHR flight

User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2715 times:



Quoting 413X3 (Reply 5):
This must be a recent change, I believe about couple months ago JL operated the ANC to LHR flight

Call it a recent change or not. For quite a long time LHR is making bad results, and the position of the airport is not favourable at all for a carrier from Asia. Furthermore, LHR is closed at night, so can't receive a nonstop cargo flight from Japan.
Indeed, since the last few months, more and more LHR activities stopped, making it one of the smaller stations for JAL in Europe now.



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7415 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2662 times:
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Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 6):
Call it a recent change or not. For quite a long time LHR is making bad results, and the position of the airport is not favourable at all for a carrier from Asia. Furthermore, LHR is closed at night, so can't receive a nonstop cargo flight from Japan.

Why the need for the an airline to go to LHR with cargo services on the basis that their passengers services are there? Look at CX - plenty of 74Fs appearing at MAN and diddly squat in term of passenger services.


User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3028 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2618 times:
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airbusweic this is wrong LHR is NOT closed at night there are 16/18 overnight slots available under the operating license.

These were historically used by cargo flights however now used by some very early long haul arrivals between 0440 and 0600 after which the restrictions are lifted.
The night restrictions exclude a number of older jets and departures are discouraged after 11.00 pm to comply with noise abatement. BUT ITS NOT CLOSED.

JAL Cargo terminated the Heathrow cargo flights at the end of the summer and its not surprising the one or two pallets that were offloaded at Heathrow can just as easily be offloaded in Amsterdam stuck on a 40' trailer and roaded/railed to the UK overnight.
Perishables can generally be loaded into the hold of JAL401 anyways.

Fact is Heathrow IS the largest airfreight port in the UK but most is belly due to the large number of long haul widebody passenger movements.

Only cargo operators (whole plane) are EVA, Korean, Cathay Pacific, Singapore and EAT/DHL operating on behalf of BA.

Also unlike SLFs much freight (industrial) is actually destined for areas outside the South East and the reason for cargo services by CX, Air China, China Airlines, Great Wall into Manchester , UPS into East Midlands and Stansted, Fedex and GSS into Stansted..

Stansted is actually far better placed as the freight hub for London being on the M11 and only 30 -40 minutes away from the various perishable markets and industries based in the East of London.


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2618 times:



Quoting David_itl (Reply 7):
Why the need for the an airline to go to LHR with cargo services on the basis that their passengers services are there? Look at CX - plenty of 74Fs appearing at MAN and diddly squat in term of passenger services.

Because there was a business ex LHR and with cargo from the UK/Ireland in the past. But it's gone now. And from that moment, LHR flights needs more feeds from other parts of Europe.
That is inconvenient by it's location. Only UK cargo can't keep these cargo flights alive and commercially attractive to operate, so that's why they are gone now. AMS/FRA are located on the mainland, easy accessible from the South and North of Europe by road, + the fact that AMS is open 24 hours per day, which enables JL to operate nonstop flights to Europe, and not using ANC anymore.



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