AV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1265 posts, RR: 1 Posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9668 times:
The CRJ-700 is currently the only plane fleet wide that does not have a single one in the new Delta/Connection paint. IIRC every type now mainline and DL Conx has the new paint but not the CR7. When will EV, OH, or OO be the first to paint one? Even the Saab 340's have the new paint!
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9544 times:
They don't schedule repaints so that everyone has at least one plane type painted. They're schedule by a rotation as to when they are due.. so maybe no have come due yet.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
NWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4857 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9297 times:
Quoting AV8AJET (Thread starter): The CRJ-700 is currently the only plane fleet wide that does not have a single one in the new Delta/Connection paint.
Wrong-o, buck-o:
DC-9-30
DC-9-40
Flying an aeroplane with only a single propeller to keep you in the air. Can you imagine that? -Capt. Picard
It has also been said on here many times those two types will never see Delta paint. Out of aircraft that will be kept, the CR7 would be the only one to have not been painted yet.
Would a possible reason be the age of the aircraft? The oldest CR7 is around 8 years old.
Toltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3220 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9158 times:
Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 3): You for real? I did not hear about this.
For real. It's been funded for FY10. The -700's compete in many markets against FL, and the plane is going to be used in a lot of new LGA markets. The -200 is not part of the project.....
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3555 posts, RR: 30 Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8652 times:
DL has prioritized the painting so that the planes wearing the NWA brand are repainted first. The saabs, even though most if not all will be going away are indeed being painted. It makes perfect sense too... #1 they need it bad. #2 they're not all going away in short order. I will take several years to park them, so in the meantime they will logically fl the DL brand. That's why they started painting the newest ones first.
The 700s will get painted, but likely not until the paint shops start seeing less and less NWA planes.
It is indeed true. Our inflight team has already started preparing for said project. From what I understand, the F conversion project is slated for completion by June 1, 2010. The conversion will include the addition of 6 F seats and the removal of the forward lavatory. The configuration will resemble the ExPlus product featured by United with a total seating capacity of 66.
During my last recurrent class, management stated that UAL makes 30% of the revenue on a given ExPlus flight with the F cabin alone.
This project was supposed to be completed in 2008, but the recession put a hold on DL's plans. At that time, only half of our CR7 fleet was supposed to receive the conversion, but I'm pretty sure that the entire fleet will be converted during this project.
As far as paint goes, the CR7 has been last on the list to receive new paint because none of that fleet wore the Ron Allen livery. When painting began, DL focused largely on the Ron Allen and Song airplanes, which is why a large portion of the CR2 fleet is wearing the latest livery. We'll see a repainted CR7 in the very near future.
Pilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8340 times:
Quoting CARST (Reply 9): How many NWA have been painted so far?
I could give you an exact count if my site wasn't down. However, last count was 175 out of 329 mainline aircraft. That's from about a week and a half ago.
Mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9181 posts, RR: 14 Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8310 times:
I understand, from the latest blurb from ATL, that the NW fleet, ex DC-9-30/40, should be done with repaints by early in 2010 and then DL will resume painting the DL a/c and be done by late next year.
"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
C767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 861 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8310 times:
Quoting CARST (Reply 9): How many NWA have been painted so far?
It is probably not correct, just going from what I see on Widgetheads as it happens.
747-400: 7 of 16
A330-300: 16 of 20
A330-200: 11 of 11
757-300: 13 of 16
757-200 (5600 series): 23 of 23 (although it sounds like the 19 5500 series might be painted too?)
A320: 47 of 69
A319: 34 of 57
DC-9-50: 34 of 34
DC-9-30 and DC-9-40 won’t see any repaints.
Compass E-175: 10 of 36
Mesaba Saab 340: 19 of 46
Mesaba CRJ: 0 of 19, two are former Comair planes in Colors in Motion scheme.
Mesaba CR9: 18 of 41
Pinnacle CRJ: 33 of 125
Pinnacle CR9: 16 of 16
Timf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 954 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 8112 times:
Quoting Mayor (Reply 11): I understand, from the latest blurb from ATL, that the NW fleet, ex DC-9-30/40, should be done with repaints by early in 2010 and then DL will resume painting the DL a/c and be done by late next year.
It should be noted that DL has never stopped painting their pre-merger aircraft since the NW repainting began. There has been a good number of aircraft repainted in ATL over the past year, including the entire 777-200ER fleet. All of the NW repaints have been done via contractors, so DL's in house painting has been available for their own aircraft.
Mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9181 posts, RR: 14 Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 7974 times:
Quoting Timf (Reply 13): It should be noted that DL has never stopped painting their pre-merger aircraft since the NW repainting began. There has been a good number of aircraft repainted in ATL over the past year, including the entire 777-200ER fleet. All of the NW repaints have been done via contractors, so DL's in house painting has been available for their own aircraft.
My mistake.......what the blurb said was the NW a/c would be all painted by spring and the entire fleet by the end of 2010.
"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
C767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 861 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 7897 times:
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 14): Nope, the 5500-series 752s will not be repainted as they will be leaving the fleet.
I am rather confused by this. I have read on here, on one of the many DL/NW threads that the only aircraft that will be retired with the merger in the near future are the DC-9-30 and -40s.
I have also read where the 5500 series are indeed being parked, but recently it seemed as if that was not what was happening.
Mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9181 posts, RR: 14 Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 7874 times:
Ed Bastian said in the latest chat that no other additional a/c, other than the DC-9-30/40s would be retired from the fleet. Make of that what you will.
"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6671 times:
Quoting C767P (Reply 12): 747-400: 7 of 16
A330-300: 16 of 20
A330-200: 11 of 11
757-300: 13 of 16
757-200 (5600 series): 23 of 23 (although it sounds like the 19 5500 series might be painted too?)
A320: 47 of 69
A319: 34 of 57
DC-9-50: 34 of 34
DC-9-30 and DC-9-40 won’t see any repaints.
Not quite, as of yesterday Nov 20:
747-400......... 6 of 16
A330-300...... 16 of 21
A330-200...... 11 of 11
757-300........ 12 of 16
757-2(56)...... 23 of 23
A320-200...... 45 of 69
A319-100...... 35 of 57
DC-9-50........ 34 of 34
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
Kappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 18 Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6642 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 18): 747-400......... 6 of 16
A330-300...... 16 of 21
A330-200...... 11 of 11
757-300........ 12 of 16
757-2(56)...... 23 of 23
A320-200...... 45 of 69
A319-100...... 35 of 57
DC-9-50........ 34 of 34
Wow, that's going really fast. No wonder I haven't seen any NW aircraft in a while at AMS. Almost all 752's, a332's and a333's are painted in DL c/s already...
Brilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 3168 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6491 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 18): 747-400......... 6 of 16
A330-300...... 16 of 21
A330-200...... 11 of 11
757-300........ 12 of 16
757-2(56)...... 23 of 23
A320-200...... 45 of 69
A319-100...... 35 of 57
DC-9-50........ 34 of 34
WOW!! They sure went to town with the A332's and got them done in a hurry.
I was at DTW the other day and was sad to see no NW aircraft at Mac on the A wing. I counted 12 DL aircraft on the one side and 7 DL on the other side visible from the road by the terminal. I really thought that the last NW scheme was really good looking especially on the DC-9's.
PHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6378 times:
Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 8): It is indeed true. Our inflight team has already started preparing for said project. From what I understand, the F conversion project is slated for completion by June 1, 2010. The conversion will include the addition of 6 F seats and the removal of the forward lavatory. The configuration will resemble the ExPlus product featured by United with a total seating capacity of 66.
During my last recurrent class, management stated that UAL makes 30% of the revenue on a given ExPlus flight with the F cabin alone.
Yes, the CRJ-700s will get first class but you have the configuration quite wrong. It will not match UA CR7s.....which have 6F Econ+ and Econ-. They will have 9F 56Y for 65 total seats.
DL has started seeing a lot of bookaway in the last few years from CRJ-200 and CRJ-700s in all economy configurations. Customers (especially the top customers) have learned in the last few years how to avoid these planes and go out of their way to. It was decided to convert the CRJ-700s once the 76 seaters went in to service and they saw that flights that were upgraded from 50 or 70 seaters to 76 seaters with an F cabin had substantial revenue improvement.
Aeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 2957 posts, RR: 30 Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6317 times:
Quoting CARST (Reply 23): Man most airlines are not that fast when they change their own livery.
That's precisely the reason. With an airline switching their own colors, it's not as crucial. Delta is swapping the NWA brand to its own, therefore it's mandatory they do it as fast as possible to promote brand awareness of a SINGLE combined product. That's why the painting process of NWA planes is priority over DELTA's.
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25 DL752: I think they are focusing on painting the new colors on NW aircraft first.
26 ThegreatRDU: those are obsolete anyway Too me...now keep in mind im not a OH, OO, or NW/DL insider..I say that it's excess capacity for NW/DL their obslete.....un
27 DeltAirlines: Part of it is the entire branding thing. US was the same way with the HP planes - those got painted into the US brand as quickly as possible to have
28 AV8AJET: Wow thanks for the info, I lookl forward to seeing one of these upgraded CR7's. I hope they plan to change the seat covers in Y class they are gettin
29 SNCntry32: Really? Explain why the Compass planes are getting a repaint so quickly when the oldest one is what 2 years old?
31 Deltal1011man: As said above DL is still painting, but its likely Delta will send some of there birds out to VCV and Boeing to get them painted. (that is has done p
32 Aviationbuff08: As do I... Does anyone have any firm time frames when DL or DCI rather has plans to start this mod to the CR7 Fleet? Are OH, OO, EV the operators of
33 Airport: Dare I ask...does this mean we'll see the CR7s put on longer routes a la UA? (I've seen them put the ExPlus CRJ-700s on flights 1300+ miles) Haha! Me
34 CARST: I am not arguing with you. I like the battleship Grey, too. But it seems to me that they are flying around 2 liveries for 10 years now. That can not
35 ThegreatRDU: I stand corrected, I guess it was just me jumping on the chance to bash UA....which given the chance I will...
36 Western727: Correct; a good number are still flying though some ARE parked...unable to look it up on widgetheads.net for the exact number right now, though. Anyo
37 413X3: Does it really matter? Only people who work in the marketing field have convinced themselves that it does. Nobody else cares
38 N7371f: No one really truly knows...because the messages regarding the 5500 are so mixed. The latest talk from a DL Pilots Forum is the 5500 may be sticking
39 Bhmdiversion: I have heard that EV won't paint their CR7's until the reconfiguration of the cabins.
40 PSU.DTW.SCE: The situation with the 5500's in a little different than the DC-9-30/40's because the -30/40's that are left are going to reach their maximum number
41 NW747-400: I said resemble, not match. Everyone knows that DL does not offer an Econ+ product, so I didn't feel the need to specify. Good to hear they decided a
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