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City Vibes- "Kingston" Jamaican Thread 21  
User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3071 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 14307 times:
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Thanks to Air Jamaica for choosing the title of this thread and JM079 for his information..



As we have reached our 21st Thread, This thread will be a special as I have decided to do a weekend virtual tour of our capital Kingston..

A group of jet-setters decided to spend their weekend in Kingston..Departing JFK, the group had booked their flight on B6's new service to KIN..With a warm welcome and a fond farewell from the B6 crew, these excited group were on their way for a fun filled weekend..


A fast 3hours and 15mins, the group arrived in KIN..


A quick drop off to their hotels..


http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/JM019.jpg


The group decided to visit, The Blue Mountains and Bob Marley Musuem..



http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/Picture338Large.jpg
Night life was spent at the exclusive Fiction Bar


The weekend has come to an end, after a quick bite at The Truck Stop..

It was off to Norman Manley International Airport..

Farewell to Kingston.Next stop St Bess..
...

In other avaition related news..

Jamaica and Brazil recently signed an updated air services agreement..

JM Divestment delayed indefinately...

B6 recenly increased services from JFK..They now serve MBJ 11 weekly..

The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20 (by HummingBird Oct 27 2009 in Civil Aviation)

* Pics from B6 were given by http://www.flickr.com/photos/jetblue/


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User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 14316 times:

Great pics HB. The pics of B6 at KIN is a welcome addition to the line up of international carriers that are calling at KIN.

BTW: Sky Service Airlines will offer a mix of different departures from YYZ to MBJ for this winter but commencing saturday Dec 12 and all satursdays there after Sky Service there is will be a:

05:20AM
06:10AM
06:20AM
07:15AM
16:45PM

This is just out of Toronto to MBJ as the charter airline will operate from other gateways across Canada to MBJ.


User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 14293 times:

Ilanbwoy From Jamaica, joined Feb 2009, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 213, posted Sat Nov 21 2009 19:49:21 your local time (17 hours 57 minutes 53 secs ago) and read 110 times:


Hello all...been away from the thread for a while. Its been good reading today. 100 plus postings i had not read. Anyways, the Wesley Sampson thing..should be interesting. I met him in the past and he is a bit of a radical person. For both the govt and also the jalpa..it might be best he doesnt get involved. He is smart..but a radical.

Lots of good info from the usual contributors. Keep it up guys


His actions in drawing attention to the divestment on what an impact it will have an on the over haul state of the Jamaican economy can't be discounted even though in my views there are personal issues that I think are involve.

However, his views represent a sizable constituent of Jamaicans in the disapora who view Air Jamaica as a national asset and that it should stays in the country.

I will sign his petition and make my financial contribution as I believe in his efforts.

Further more the international travel trade magazines and USA news outlets are carrying his story:

http://www.travelweekly.com/article3_ektid206666.aspx

JM02 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2009, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 211, posted Sat Nov 21 2009 16:47:38 your local time (20 hours 59 minutes 36 secs ago) and read 163 times:

http://www.eturbonews.com/12887/air-...ce-replicates-low-cost-competition

http://www.eturbonews.com/12760/brit...-crew-stuck-aviation-s-era-glamour

I have attached these two links as they proivde an inteterest back ground on the state of short and medium haul flights as offered by these major legacies and how they are responding to the changes in how people travel.

I share the view as well that JM has to be more than competitive on all these routes that they operate on from North America. It is fact that more than 90% of there operations is from the state so understandably if they want to stay in the game they can't continue to function as if things are ok.

What I don't share though is the view that it has to concenstrate on these short and medium routes exclusively while at the same time failing to seize the many other opportunties that are opening up elsewhere such as South America and the Northern Caribbean.

Air Jamaica built Jamaica's tourist industry but that industry has out grown the national carrier and it has to seek new areas of growth.

A careful reading of the national transportation strategy as published recenly has illustrated the importance of the national carrier in ensuring that the country maximise on its location as a transportation hub.

http://www.vision2030.gov.jm/Portals...nsport%20Sector%20Plan%20_S….pdf


User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14224 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Thread starter):
Thanks to Air Jamaica for choosing the title of this thread and JM079 for his information..

As we say at '' yaad ''....No Problem.

Quoting HummingBird (Thread starter):
As we have reached our 21st Thread, This thread will be a special as I have decided to do a weekend virtual tour of our capital Kingston..

Very interesting concept from the norm for the start of our 21st lap.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 1):
Great pics HB. The pics of B6 at KIN is a welcome addition to the line up of international carriers that are calling at KIN.

Agree. This is just some of what city Kingston has to offer.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 1):
This is just out of Toronto to MBJ as the charter airline will operate from other gateways across Canada to MBJ.

The '' Canadian invasion ''. Quite a line up and MBJ is more than able to accommodate them.


Quoting JM079 (Reply 2):
I share the view as well that JM has to be more than competitive on all these routes that they operate on from North America. It is fact that more than 90% of there operations is from the state so understandably if they want to stay in the game they can't continue to function as if things are ok.

JM will have to some how differentiate themselves from the competition while still ensuring that they are operating cost effectively. They have been doing a good job since Mr. Nobles implemented the new business plan and we are aware that there is still a lot more work to be done.



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User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 14216 times:
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Quoting JM079 (Reply 1):
BTW: Sky Service Airlines will offer a mix of different departures from YYZ to MBJ for this winter but commencing saturday Dec 12 and all satursdays there after Sky Service there is will be a:

05:20AM
06:10AM
06:20AM
07:15AM
16:45PM

Nice line from SSV for Montego Bay..I was able to get these pics this morning showing the A320 and the FCA leased B757..





Quoting HummingBird (Thread starter):
By the way, I just got back from Jamaica thursday and flew the mini bus both in and out of fll. You can definitley feel that its smaller. They have made a few changes since i last flew on it with the addition of the 8 seat j class and also the purser panel no longer says skybus..it has the jm logo.

I had posted these pics of the F class seats..The only downside is the aircraft is without inflight tv..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/IMG00084.jpg

BTW, UP operated a Dash 8 flight from NAS-KIN tonight..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 1):
Great pics HB. The pics of B6 at KIN is a welcome addition to the line up of international carriers that are calling at KIN.

Thanks..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 3):
Very interesting concept from the norm for the start of our 21st lap.

I agree, we have come a long way..



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User currently offlineIlanbwoy From Jamaica, joined Feb 2009, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14192 times:

I must say, Sampsons website is very interesting. I am not surprised it has some sort of compensation for him. $1 million per year for 23 years...lol...fat chance. In my opinion, Jm will be going away next year as with it....no IMF deal..without it...IMF deal. I dont see anybody getting JM. The pilots are not the answer in my opinion. JM needs people who are not aligned to any organization in Jamaica and to get that you need to look outside jamaica. Any local commodity that gets involved might be good for a while..but eventually the same stuff will return.

Anyways, time will tell.


User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14134 times:
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US is using their B762 from PHL..Today we will have 2 US B762 on the tarmac in MBJ...

* Rumour* ORD,BWI and PHL are on the hangman noose...



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6165 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14118 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 6):
ORD,BWI and PHL are on the hangman noose...

ORD would not surprise me



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User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14087 times:



Quoting Ilanbwoy (Reply 5):

In the last thread we spoke at length about the closure of JM as the last option and we referenced a statement that Bruce Nobles mentioned earlier in the year when he said the void that would be created in JM closed could be easily fill. Nobles had made reference to the Hawaiian Carrier that was closed and in no time other carriers stepped in to fill the void.

I suspect that would be the case for Air Jamaica as its entire route network is highly competitive even the KIN - HAV route.

But having sense that such a closure would have a major impact on the Jamaican economy as over 2000 people would be out of a job which would see an increase in the unemployment rate. Government would see a further reduction in revenue as these people would not be paying indirect and direct taxes anymore. There is the matter of what the government would have to fork out to cover the redundancy payments, pay off leases, pay of the debt of the carrier plus incurring a wholesale of other sundry cost.

Finally, the many other local suppliers who relies on the carrier at both airports and its HQ would be severely impacted as well.

If the GoJ pursued this action it would be in done in a climate where the country is already in a severe recession. Not a good move.

Quoting Ilanbwoy (Reply 5):
Anyways, time will tell.

Yes, exactly that is why no one pays any attention to these deadlines anymore.


http://www.travelweekly.com/article3_ektid206776.aspx

The Sandals Whitehouse European Village & Spa on the south coast of Jamaica remains on schedule to reopen Dec. 18, following a four-month renovation and upgrade.

Sandals Chairman Butch Stewart said the upgrade "will further enhance our commitment to exceeding guests’ expectations time and time again."

Sandals Whitehouse opened in February 2005 following seven years of construction delayed by hurricanes and supply deliveries. It was the first Sandals resort built from the ground up in Jamaica in 13 years and remains the largest hotel development on the island’s sparsely populated south coast.


User currently onlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14090 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 6):
* Rumour* ORD,BWI and PHL are on the hangman noose...

ORD is not suprising, it was one of the routes mentioned ahead of ATL that could have been on the chopping block when route cuts were made in February of this year.

BWI and PHL are suprising though, I suppose the impending threat of US carriers on those routes might make it a wise decision to cut one's losses. JM is really facing a full frontal attack from US based carriers. Jet Blue and AirTran seem to be going after market share in a very big way.

AA1818



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User currently offlineLimaMike From Jamaica, joined Feb 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14066 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 6):
* Rumour* ORD,BWI and PHL are on the hangman noose...

If these rumoured cuts come to fruition then this would definitely hold interesting implications for the future of the carrier, including possibly further layoffs, return of aircraft etc. While "slimming down" is widely seen as the way forward for JM 's operations I'm tempted to ask, is there a point when one become too slim to survive? If BWI and PHL, which were once considered part of JM 's "core" routes, could possibly become too thin to keep, how far behind might be MCO, NAS, CUR, HAV? The last stats presented on this forum showed the carrier having good loads on all US routes. Perhaps frequency reductions/change of schedule might help the bottom line? Certainly the fact that JM overnights in these 3 destinations impact on the cost of operations.  twocents 


On another note, checked flightstats.com and on the MBJ schedule (Nov. 23) is a Thomas Cook (TCX 16) MAN-MBJ flight showing B757 as the operating equipment. Is this a flightstats error or can a 757 operate this sector effectively?



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User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14049 times:

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 10):
On another note, checked flightstats.com and on the MBJ schedule (Nov. 23) is a Thomas Cook (TCX 16) MAN-MBJ flight showing B757 as the operating equipment. Is this a flightstats error or can a 757 operate this sector effectively?

Flightview has identified it as a 767-300.

BTW: there were two departures from MAN to MBJ today. Thomson - 330 and Thomas Cook 767.

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 10):
If these rumoured cuts come to fruition then this would definitely hold interesting implications for the future of the carrier, including possibly further layoffs, return of aircraft etc

I really don't pay attention to thes rumours and as such I dismiss them lightly.

They fly in the face of all current stats that says the carrier is holding its hold and is reenforce by the statement from John Lynch, who is the chairman of the JTB who spoke in London recently that Air Jamaica is doing well. There was a confirmation from the minister of Information last week when he advise that the carrier's divestment hinges on the completion of talks with the IMF.

Further, anymore closure of additional routes implies that the business plan has failed which is not the case here as again the carrier is seeing big gains.

The business plan that was implemented called for a fleet of eight planes with the current route structuture which has so far proven to be the right mix to achieve the break even point at end year.

The notion that other carriers can enter the market that JM currently plies and compete seems to have been lost on most people as what we have seen in the last year or two is a concerted effort to increase the number of people who travel to Jamaica.

The JTB and JAMVAC are all about making it possible to get more Americans to Jamaica and not about taking market share from JM.

The statistic is there to support that.

[Edited 2009-11-23 16:25:50]

User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14049 times:
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Quoting AA1818 (Reply 9):
ORD is not suprising, it was one of the routes mentioned ahead of ATL that could have been on the chopping block when route cuts were made in February of this year.

BWI and PHL are suprising though, I suppose the impending threat of US carriers on those routes might make it a wise decision to cut one's losses. JM is really facing a full frontal attack from US based carriers. Jet Blue and AirTran seem to be going after market share in a very big way.



Quoting LimaMike (Reply 10):
If these rumoured cuts come to fruition then this would definitely hold interesting implications for the future of the carrier, including possibly further layoffs, return of aircraft etc. While "slimming down" is widely seen as the way forward for JM 's operations I'm tempted to ask, is there a point when one become too slim to survive? If BWI and PHL, which were once considered part of JM 's "core" routes, could possibly become too thin to keep, how far behind might be MCO, NAS, CUR, HAV? The last stats presented on this forum showed the carrier having good loads on all US routes. Perhaps frequency reductions/change of schedule might help the bottom line? Certainly the fact that JM overnights in these 3 destinations impact on the cost of operations

In a previous statement by Mr Bartlett, the company is doing much better and will continue on this path once they pursue a cost cutting regime.. http://www.jis.gov.jm/indus_tourism/htm
l/20091117T200000-
0500_21926_JIS_AIR_JAMAICA_DOING_BETTER
.asp
However,if the company had a choice, they would keep these route, but the pending IMF negotiations have severely impacted their operations....The GOJ cannot close JM as it will cost them too much money..The only option is to continue operation with a leaner cost structure...The future plan may see JM operating a fleet of five aircraft and only serving core VFR routes...
PHL is well covered by US as we have seen..
BWI can be easily handled by Air Tran
ORD can be handled by AA...
IMO, MBJ is rapidly becoming a volume market, it makes sense for JM to focus on their strength routes as FLL,MCO,NAS CUR YYZ and JFK....Routes as PHL,BWI and ORD while withstanding the competition are costly to operate....These routes are not operated on a daily basis and the the layovers costs are high especially when crews are away for 2-3 days...While the lfs are high, the operating cost may not justify keeping these routes..



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User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14068 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 6):
* Rumour* ORD,BWI and PHL are on the hangman noose...

Well no surprise to ORD since it was a loose making route, BWI and PHL?? really.

The GOJ Handel the divestment of JM very poorly IMO, it was not a surprise but I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt since this administration wanted to be different from the previous.

I am not sure but I agree with some on here that pilots or any JM union group running the airline is the worse idea the GOJ can give serious entertainment to. JM need some type of credit line and real investment money that the unions and GOJ cannot give.

Should GOJ close the airline? If they cannot get a financial backer then they may very well have too because the IMF will not lend Jamaica anymore money unless they get rid of entities like JM.

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 10):
While "slimming down" is widely seen as the way forward for JM 's operations I'm tempted to ask, is there a point when one become too slim to survive?

Yes there is, if JM keeps cutting routes then they will not survive. It will then be cut on schedule to JFK, MCO, YYZ and FLL, then cut them, then shut down. I will not be surprised to see MCO on that list given B6 and FL wanting to fly there to MBJ, whih would be really sad.



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User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14032 times:
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Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 13):
Should GOJ close the airline? If they cannot get a financial backer then they may very well have too because the IMF will not lend Jamaica anymore money unless they get rid of entities like JM.

At this moment, they can't close the company....It would be a waste of resource to spend US200 million to cover the divestment cost..The IMF was please with JM books and the current business plan..They however, have to keep slimming to survive..

Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 13):
Yes there is, if JM keeps cutting routes then they will not survive.

If they focus on the VFR routes and have a leaner cost structure, that gives them a lifeline for the next 3-5 years...They had recently introduced the baggage fee, which has made significant contributions to their revenue...Next year, they will reduce the cabin crew compliment from 4-3 on the A319 and A320s....

Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 13):
I will not be surprised to see MCO on that list given B6 and FL wanting to fly there to MBJ, whih would be really sad.

I doubt it will happen..The advantage JM has over B6 and AirTran is most pax to MCO originate in KIN..



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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13994 times:



Quoting LimaMike (Reply 10):
On another note, checked flightstats.com and on the MBJ schedule (Nov. 23) is a Thomas Cook (TCX 16) MAN-MBJ flight showing B757 as the operating equipment. Is this a flightstats error or can a 757 operate this sector effectively?

If configured accordingly I think the B757 could operate a MAN-MBJ flight. Remember in 1996 a KT B752 flight from POP to FRA crashed into the Atlantic Ocean minutes after departure when the air speed indicators malfunctioned, and as such the pilots were not certain as to the true speed of the aircraft.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 14):
The advantage JM has over B6 and AirTran is most pax to MCO originate in KIN..

This is true but some people may argue that the same was said re the BWI route.



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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13978 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 12):
.These routes are not operated on a daily basis and the the layovers costs are high especially when crews are away for 2-3 days

Just a question, but why are JM crews laying over so long on medium haul routes?? This is a waste of money. Many longhaul flights by established carriers have a single night crew layover. So, a 2-3 day layover for a medium hual flight is just ludacris. Nice for the crews, but bad for the compnay. If they would cut the layover time at these destinations, then things can improve with respect to the routes operating cost! Another reason why JM shouldn't be in the hands of any union. The pilots know this is where money can be saved, but that is taking money out of their pocket! For every hour spent outside your home base, you get paid a specified rate in USD!!.



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User currently offlineIlanbwoy From Jamaica, joined Feb 2009, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13965 times:



Quoting BW424 (Reply 16):

I agree with you about the layover situation. Chicago is the perfect example. The crew that goes up saturday, does not get back until thursday morning. Thats how its rostered anyways. I believe some crew members dead head back on the sunday morning and go back up wednesday night to operate the thursday morning flight. Of course if there is a delay.......Back to my point though, The reason for that is the crew rest issue. They had changed the departure from ord to a 9am sometime last year i believe so as to not have crews there 2 days but for whatever reason they had to go back to the earlier departure and as such there are crew rest issues. (I think the reason for the return to the early morning was because of airplane utilization..the times render the aircraft useless when it gets to kin @ 1ish) I could be wrong.


User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13954 times:
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Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 15):
If configured accordingly I think the B757 could operate a MAN-MBJ flight

Air2000 and Britannia operated their B752 to MBJ..I believe their configuration was all economy..

Quoting BW424 (Reply 16):
Just a question, but why are JM crews laying over so long on medium haul routes?? This is a waste of money. Many longhaul flights by established carriers have a single night crew layover. So, a 2-3 day layover for a medium hual flight is just ludacris. Nice for the crews, but bad for the compnay. If they would cut the layover time at these destinations, then things can improve with respect to the routes operating cost! Another reason why JM shouldn't be in the hands of any union. The pilots know this is where money can be saved, but that is taking money out of their pocket! For every hour spent outside your home base, you get paid a specified rate in USD!!.

1....JM currently has layover in PHL,BWI,JFK,FLL and ORD..

2..PHL,BWI and ORD all have a late evening departure on the northbound leg and an early morning departure on the southbound legs....This affects the operating crew as they have to have a minimum rest of 8 hours before operating another flight...When you factor in the gate to gate operation, airport transfer and crew rest, it would be difficult for the northbound crew to operate the said flight the following morning..

3..When flights operate daily, it gives the northbound crew an extra day off in these cities..However on the southbound legs, their flights are normally attached to either NAS,CUR,HAV and MCO..

4..This is where we look at their current reduced schedule....Daily services were provided in the summer, but this winter will see a reduced frequency.

Current
MBJ-ORD operates 4 per week.
MBJ-PHL operates 5 per week
MBJ-BWI operates 6 per week
On these routes the A320 is used which has a compliment of 6...For eg, the crew that operates the northound MBJ-ORD on Sat, their next operating flight will be on Thur morning..Their per-diem allowance will be running close to $400 per crew member...The longer a crew is away from their base, the more the allowance..
The crew that operates the northbound MBJ-BWI flight on Thur will return to base on Sun morning..
If we were to calculate the per diem, hotel cost and operating cost, we can see why some routes are expensive to operate especially on a reduced schedule..

RE Adjusting the schedule..These flight times cannot change as these aircraft are used to operate services to HAV,CUR,NAS and HAV...So a typical day will see an aircraft doing PHL-MBJ-MCO-MBJ-PHL..

[Edited 2009-11-23 21:31:24]


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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13940 times:

Appreciate the info llanboy and Hummingbird. The layovers from what has been described has a large impact on operating cost and can be alleviated. There is no legitimate reason why there should be a layover in JFK and especially FLL!! JFK is 3.5hrs and FLL is 1.5-7hrs long!!!

Management should have a serious look at this!! They have slimmed down but one of the areas that can significantly see impovement in operating costs is layover times. Don't you agree?



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6165 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13894 times:

Maybe JM should just become a regional carrier......


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User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13874 times:

Air Jamaica pilots have formally submitted there bids to purchase Air Jamaica and has advised that they have the capital to purchase the airline. They will also maintain the current staff level and will assess on a need to be the situation in the future with respect to the complement of JM staff.

The GoJ was selling the carrier to external sources for between USD 300 -500 Million but that has changed and is offering it for a lower amount which is in there price. They did not make a bid at the outset due to the original asking price but has now decided to manage the carrier becuase of the lower asking price.

http://www.radiojamaica.com/content/view/23116/52/


BTW: For the record. The GoJ is not seeking a loan from the IMF for budgetary support or for its internal housing called recurring expenses.

The IMF does not do that as its loan facilities are there to help countries with there balance of payment problems. Recently, we saw Mexico, Dominica Republic, Antigua, St. Lucia and I think Grenada within our region getting that sort of support.

Jamaica is afflicted with the same problem as those countries as its main source of revenue in tourism, manufacturing etc have been eroded due to the world wide recession.

Once the IMF facility is in place then the GoJ can access funds from other multilateral institutions such as the CDB, World bank who would provide that sort of support. Or for that matter go to the capital market (domestic or international) to raise funds at competititve rate. Thus, in turn the GoJ can aid Air Jamaica in completing the divestment.

I made that point as most post keeps saying that the loan facility with the IMF is needed to aid Air Jamaica - it is not.


User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13874 times:
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Quoting BW424 (Reply 19):
Appreciate the info llanboy and Hummingbird. The layovers from what has been described has a large impact on operating cost and can be alleviated. There is no legitimate reason why there should be a layover in JFK and especially FLL!! JFK is 3.5hrs and FLL is 1.5-7hrs long!!!

Management should have a serious look at this!! They have slimmed down but one of the areas that can significantly see impovement in operating costs is layover times. Don't you agree?

You are welcome..JFK and FLL are justified due to operating times into these airport..JM017 and 011 are late evening departures..This I can understand as it is only an overnight layover...Also,JM039 is also a late evening departure while the southbound flight 038 is an early am departure..

It will be a sticky situation for them to adjust the schedule to BWI,PHL and ORD...Any changes will affect the Caribbean/MCO ops...The concept for these flights was to accommodate the early arrival of tourist in MBJ and a late evening departure on the northbound leg..Despite these routes being VFR, the majority of travelers are tourists..
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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13842 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 22):
Also,JM039 is also a late evening departure while the southbound flight 038 is an early am departure..

Considering JM's primary's focus is on the VFR traffic that travel out of FLL why not schedule 39/38 as a same day return to eliminate the cost of a lay-over albeit its just an over-nighter ? Just as how 79/78 to/from YYZ was re-timed to eliminate the need to overnight ? As you said, it is a bit tricky with PHL, BWI & ORD considering how they schedule those flights with the same south-bound aircraft operating the MCO, CUR, NAS etc but I think if they carefully '' plan and tweak a bit '' so to speak, they can operate in their favour more cost effectively.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 21):
Air Jamaica pilots have formally submitted there bids to purchase Air Jamaica and has advised that they have the capital to purchase the airline. They will also maintain the current staff level and will assess on a need to be the situation in the future with respect to the complement of JM staff.

Interesting times are ahead indeed.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 18):
Air2000 and Britannia operated their B752 to MBJ..I believe their configuration was all economy..

O.K. Didn't Britannia also operate the B767 to MBJ as well ?



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User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13788 times:



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 23):

Interesting times are ahead indeed.

Indeed it is. I think that if they have made an offer even at this late stage then the GoJ will consider the offer base on several factors.

There can't be any denying that the present climate that the GoJ faces is one that is of uncertainty as they are seeing severe erosion of there revenue base and on top of that there were over 18,000 people were added to the unemployment line since last year.

Firstly, I think that any attempt to keep people employ without the GoJ getting involve is something that they would encourage as there is a co-relation to the taxes being collected
and the services the GoJ can provide.

Secondly, a locally based group with the capital at its disposal is not something that they can't ignore as they run the risk of political sucide at the next election if it was show that the GoJ side step the offers from the pilots. The previous government paid dearly at the last election as it mismanaged JM. If it was show that they would and could put in place the necessary measures to grow the company then again the GoJ will have to entertain there offer seriously.

Thirdly, the language of the day is that the country lacks locally grown entrepenuers who are willing to invest in the country and it see grow. The party in power is a firm believer in the free enterprise system and that is why you see state companies moving into the private sector.

So, what I see is the GoJ asking both entities to take on the ownership of the national carrier as it would meet the requirement of keeping partial ownerhip in Jamaica.


25 Post contains links JM079 : There is news today that the new hotel that will be built in KIN by the Pan-Jamaican investment that I posted in the last thread will be a Marriott Br
26 Post contains links JM079 : The GoJ has awarded a contract to a Canadian company to design and construct the towers at both the KIN and MBJ airports as a stand alone facility. ..
27 HummingBird : To offer more flexibility with their business travelers who prefer an early am arrival in KIN and MBJ....Being the first of 2 morning flights, this f
28 Speedbird2263 : I could've guessed that had you asked *sigh Of course MBJ has a higher priority due sheer number of flights but c'mon! No Love for us KIN guys, at le
29 Yellowtail : Guys...I don't think TA will use that idle E190 on SAL-BZE-KIN/MBJ.... TA is supposedly going to use to a "N. American market from BZE mid year next y
30 Post contains images JM079 : The additional rooms being added to the hotel stock is to address the gap that exist in terms of hotel ratings. Sandals City perhaps is intended to a
31 LimaMike : Totally agreed. Given the financial challenges being faced by the company in operating the North American routes overnight, if day-turn operations ca
32 HummingBird : I agree, this "preference of travel" is the same argument that will eventually lead to losses on these routes..The fact is, yields are not as strong
33 AirJamaica : This is quite a strong possibility IMO. Good to see that the Marriott brand will make its mark in Kingston. I am positive it will be a much welcome a
34 Speedbird2263 : You couldn't have said it better mi amigo! Lol...My thoughts exactly
35 Post contains links HummingBird : MBJ is 5 per week, it operates within 5 mins of JM034.... 1079 was an extra segment flight..They changed the time so as to use an inbound southbound
36 Post contains links JM079 : Jamaica has the experience in dealing with the industry and so it is not surprising that other countries are looking to KIN for help. Tanzania accord
37 Post contains links and images HummingBird : I figure he is quietly saying, "I wish I had one of these in the Serengeti" IMO.. This tower is becoming an eyesore..I can see why they decided on ha
38 Post contains links HummingBird : In a recent FlightGlobal article, Chairman Bruce Nobles has confirmed the GOJ is still in talks with Indigo Partners.. The Jamaican government continu
39 AirJamaica : Looking forward to these developents. AA, JM, B6 & DL will benefit no doubt. MBJ's control tower is also an eyesore I think. They have both done thei
40 Post contains links HummingBird : Hope you plan to do a trip report... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
41 Post contains links HummingBird : The JCAA has updated it's website with The Charter Permits issued for July-November 2009.. A quick glance.. Sunwing Airlines will service MBJ from YYZ
42 Yellowtail : Having been to the Serengeti a few times...I can assure you he is not saying that.... He is probably saying "What this place needs is some elephant!"
43 HummingBird : You have made a very good point..Perhaps they could import some of the exotic animals and create a mini Serengeti in Jamaica...
44 AirJamaica : Will try to do one. Not certain why this lady is so surprised at the minimal meal service in Y. Isn't that the norm with most carriers nowadays ? Sim
45 Yellowtail : The usually serve me wind sauce and breeze pudding
46 Post contains links JM079 : JAMAICA IS TO HOST AVIATION CONFERENCE IN JUNE 2010 IN KINGSTON: ...."The Acting JCAA Head expressed the hope that pending Cabinet's approval, Jamaica
47 Post contains links AirJamaica : Lol......Quite a '' belly-full '' there. Even if the lady in the article decided to switch to B6 she will realize that she will get unlimited '' snac
48 Post contains links JM079 : I guess the reason for that is the Montego Bay Covention Centre will not be ready by then, So the one at the Convention in downtown KIN will be used.
49 Post contains links HummingBird : Lol..She should attempt a flight to CUR and get a keen observation on how Jamaicans travel with their own food....The experience is reminiscent of th
50 Speedbird2263 : Right good example might I add! LOL
51 AirJamaica : Clearly remember that episode. Humor at its best. Very true. All efforts must be made to ensure that the investors see returns from their investment.
52 JM079 : Chris Read who is running this company is an old pro in the domestic aviation sector as for many years he operated a charter company called "Wings Ja
53 Post contains links JM079 : Jamaicans in the USA and Canada are planning on being apart of the historic occasion when the Royal Caribbean mega ship - Oasis of the Seas- made her
54 HummingBird : I agree.. When I look at it from another perspective, I think she is a loyal JM traveller who was accustomed to the hot inflight meal...I believe at
55 AirJamaica : .......When I traveled on AA in June 2007 from KIN-MIA, they served ( a VERYsmall ) pretzel with the beverage but now they have eliminated the pretze
56 JM079 : LOL. From experience working with the them I think the focus is running an efficient and profitable domestic operations. Wings, which i think folded
57 Post contains links Speedbird2263 : Jumping For Joy - Skydive Jamaica It's here folks Not quite sure if it's been discussed here before but its 3:00am and Im way too tired to search the
58 HummingBird : Lol... Is JM required to pay IRS fees on these aircraft or any other aircraft owned by any American entity... Thanks for the link..It is amazing how
59 Post contains links JM079 : I can tell you that this was never mentioned at all in the past and it is another project that clearly will offer visitors and locals another option
60 Post contains links JM079 : Colombia carrier - Avianca will add MBJ to its route network as they will again provide charter service for this winter. Last year, we saw the carrier
61 Post contains links HummingBird : Nice to see AV back in MBJ...Last year they used the MD83..Previous years saw the B757... Since we are on the topic of Colombia, we should remember S
62 Post contains links JM079 : Tmes of London features Negril, Jamaica last week in there sunday edition http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/tra...tions/caribbean/article6934857.ece ..
63 JM02 : This placement by NCB would appear to blow out of water all talk of JM having broken even or being profitable for the second half of the financial ye
64 AirJamaica : " target=_blank>www.Skydive-Jamaica.com I am adventurous but not so adventurous to ever do something like that. Good addition to the diversity of the
65 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...ton-to-the-caribbean-78314507.html Jetblue will add a second weekly to MBJ out of BOS for next year. Originally
66 Post contains links HummingBird : Thanks for the link..I have gathered inspiration for the next thread.. In the past the schedule was summer/winter service..Last summer, it was only w
67 Post contains links JM079 : " target=_blank>http://www.jtbonline.org/statistics/...9.pdf Cayman continues to lead the Caribbean in terms of visitors to Jamaica and I think one o
68 AirJamaica : B6 really mean business where service to Jamaica is concerned. They also plan to operate MCO-MBJ daily instead of the originally announced 4x weekly.
69 HummingBird : . This explains why KX has so many flights to KIN..I would not be surprised to see one of the new entrants on the local scene offering flights to GCM
70 Beeweel15 : Guess we West Indians treat our national carriers that way.
71 Post contains links HummingBird : Guys, look at this surprise!!!! I hope it becomes permanent.. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH5014
72 JM079 : This is rather interesting as we are seeing an acutal LH metal flying to into MBJ. Wasn't there some comment recently about LH not flying into MBJ wh
73 Post contains links HummingBird : AFAIK..LH no longer owns DE, they sold all their shares to Thomas Cook.. http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-condor-shares-to-thomas-cook.html I
74 AirJamaica : True. We do expect alot from them when compared to the other carriers serving our region. Great to see that LH's A343 will be in MBJ today. Should be
75 Ilanbwoy : Concouse E will still be Int'l. I believe the plan is for the new concourse to be all the foreign carriers and some dl and that e will be all dl. I co
76 Post contains links HummingBird : The aircraft is now enroute to MUC...Am pretty sure we will be hearing more about this flight.. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH5015
77 Post contains links JM079 : The arrival of the 340 in LH color would add greatly to the list of pics that we have captured in this thread. Hopefully, some ardent fans out there
78 HummingBird : I hope to see either Edelweiss or Corsair next year ( fingers crossed)... The Caribbean, Central and South America, Asia and Australia are exempt fro
79 AirJamaica : Thanks for info. ATL is quite an impressive airport. Large, spacious, comfortable and very easy to navigate. Agree. The quote below gave me a good la
80 JM079 : That was my observation too when I used the airport in the summer. I also observe that the Air Jamaica sign is still hanging at the terminal that the
81 Post contains links HummingBird : You are right..It's only a matter of time before they start charging for bags to Jamaica...With the additional revenue that is gained from these fees
82 JM079 : The spring and summer of 2010 line up for MBJ is shaping up to be quite an interesting one: American Airlines will operate daily service from DFW for
83 Post contains links and images HummingBird : With all these flights, we can feel relaxed there will be no squealing from the JHTA.. --------------------------------------------------------------
84 Post contains links JM079 : JAMAICA: COOL IN THE CARIBBEAN (The independent news paper in London is highlighting Jamaica and says it is a cool place to hang out or visit in the C
85 A340jamaica : Agreed!!! "Cool Climate", I think you mean "Frigid Climate" only beaten by your Western City brethen like Edmonton, Winnipeg and Calgary and a few Ea
86 HummingBird : Quite a detailed article about Montego Bay and it's cosmopolitan environment..I heard downtown MBJ is definitely a Chinatown... I think the "salesman
87 AirJamaica : Didn't notice it. They probably removed it, or maybe I just didn't observe. If I recall correctly it was an extension of the same flight to LHR back
88 Post contains links JM079 : LOL. That was a slip in writing as should be 'cold" but agreed that winter in Canada is not for the faint of heart. BTW: You can fly this weekend for
89 HummingBird : Last summer, they had 5 flights per week... I miss hearing those engines on the L1011.. Nice to see more flights from YUL..YOW is a surprise as it is
90 Post contains links JM079 : Sandals Barbados was to open in 1995 but there was an issue with the land as according to this link. http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2003/10/25/sanda
91 JM079 : An update: Delta will commence service to KIN from JFK on Dec 12 instead of Dec 19. An update from DL indicates that the once weekly serivce will star
92 Yellowtail : Really, the ONLY one? Trinidad has one? Tobago? I know Sandals wanted to buy a whole island here a few years ago but alas it was bought by Tiger Wood
93 HummingBird : Believe me, it was deeper than the land issue..But it shows the short sightedness of their previous tourism officials....Am pretty sure they are begg
94 Caymanair : Theres no Sandal's in Cayman either. They came here, but wanted a private beach - which is illegal here. Beaches are public property and you cant kee
95 Yellowtail : Same here
96 Post contains links JM079 : This report sort of captures what has been happening in Jamaica with regards to the efforts being make to ensure that the country maintain its competi
97 Yankeejuliet : Hello all ! Contrary to popular belief, JM is in big trouble. Market share has eroded considerably on all routes except Fortlauderdale. Come January,
98 JM079 : So, why don't they just close the damn thing. It is the most logical course to take. Why are they going through this charade of cost cutting measure
99 HummingBird : I hope Airtran has extra seatbelt extensions for the BWI flights, lol.. But, I don't think GND will be threatened by DL's weekly service... The YYZ-K
100 JM079 : DL announced earlier that they will commence service to GND but so far there nothing indicating when they will start flying. Secondly, if the company
101 AirJamaica : The L101 is an old bird that will not be forgotten. Wouldn't that be contrary to the recently posted stats ? Again there is contradiction here. I wou
102 Yankeejuliet : After the christmas rush the stats will reflect the true position in reguards to load factors and seat availability compared with previous years.
103 AirJamaica : Working on the Trip Report of my recent visit to Atlanta. Should be ready by week-end hopefully. The days when JM's livery was a daily sight at ATL's
104 JM079 : Am looking forward to it. BTW: Am spending the holiday in POS with family and friends. Will fly CO via EWR. Will stay at the Hilton in the city. Am l
105 HummingBird : I am impressed with these developments as it shows the hotels in Jamaica are becoming increasingly competitive..... Hotel Mockingbird Hill is a popul
106 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.radiojamaica.com/content/view/23519/26/ ......"Following a series of setbacks it now appears that the government is ready to make a decisi
107 HummingBird : Typical "merry go round"
108 Caymanair : The whole diaster that has been the divestment process doesn't look good on the government. And somehow I feel as if it is far from over.... and quite
109 Caribbean484 : When JM started KIN-POS_BGI in 2000, Butch-Stewart was in negotiations to open up one in Tobago, however Sandals wanted an exclusive beach on the isl
110 Yankeejuliet : AJAG terms could be considered a sweetheart deal. Govt. will assume all debts and hand over the entitity for one dollar (us) as long as there is a 40
111 AirJamaica : Should be interesting. Never visited another Caribbean island before. Need to explore one someday. Agree. At that time there was notable improvements
112 Post contains links JM079 : I just recieved my itin which shows a late PM arrival. Too back as I wud have prefer a sunlight arrival. We are looking at going to Suriname for a da
113 Post contains links JM079 : Well, am not sure what to go by AirJamaica as in today edition of radiojamaica, Audley Shaw, who is the finance minister told parliament yesterday th
114 Post contains links Beeweel15 : Turn up your volume. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdP-VMcREyg
115 Post contains links JM079 : This week was aviaiton week in Jamaica and a seminar in Kingston that examines ways and means to increase the earning potential of the industry. A rep
116 AirJamaica : This is very interesting indeed, as we have been hearing conflicting stories. I guess time will tell non the less. With the hard work the JTB and oth
117 HummingBird : If it were this time last year, they would be able to close the carrier, but the GOJ is facing a cash crunch and has no money to close the carrier...
118 Post contains links HummingBird : http://jis.gov.jm/indus_tourism/html...TER_UPBEAT_ABOUT_WINTER_SEASON.asp
119 Yankeejuliet : JM always turn a profit during peak travel peroids. This is generally wiped out during the other times. Consistent profitability will improve credita
120 Post contains links JM079 : The Minister has just announced that Jamaica is about to sign an exclusive agreement with TUI Travel to bring thousands of Europeans to Jamaica over
121 HummingBird : Another round of good news..I am thrilled to see the increased airlift out of Europe..I know all these hotels in Jamaica will see significant benefit
122 AirJamaica : Add HA's L101 to the list, as they operated for JM on their LAX-MBJ-KIN route for a while. I have seen that bird at both MBJ & KIN back then. TZ's L1
123 Post contains links JM079 : It is true that JM in the past had operational profits but those were wiped out immediately due to the inefficiencies in there managment structure. B
124 Yellowtail : MW is saying publicly here that they "will launch LCE-BZE-GCM, BZE-HAV and BZE-KIN mid year next year" with ATR72s..they will pull the ATRS off of CUN
125 Speedbird2263 : Does BA have a LGW-LHR shuttle? I wanted to visit Botswana earlier this year and figured BA to be one of the first choices in that KIN-LGW-LHR-JNB-MU
126 Yellowtail : You could have gone KIN-ATL-DKR-MUN
127 JM079 : Do you know if they have done a route feasibility study to determine if any of these propose routes will be economical? You would not need a transit
128 Caymanair : Santo Domingo San Juan Port au Prince San Fernando, Tnt Grand Cayman also lacks a city-centre property I would also suggest they consider the market
129 Post contains links JM079 : Agreed that those cities and others would be a good investment for Sandals. It is a company that has a very good reputation world wide. I have always
130 Speedbird2263 : Interesting I'm assuming DL? I assume that's how many Jamaicans who use to transit LHR get to LGW now or is there a rail service as well? To think I
131 AirJamaica : Agree. Imagine how much funds the company could have saved if this action plan was implemented from back then. As well as Couples Tower Isle and the
132 HummingBird : I could never see the L1011 as being suitable for JM.... You are correct....When I see people make mockery about airline subsidies I laugh at their i
133 Post contains links AirJamaica : The A300's & B727's seemed to have served them well during that time. Real work horses for JM back then. I remember at times on a typical day one A30
134 Post contains links JM079 : We have this video of Air Jamaica Flt 78 home bound to KIN from YYZ. Quite a windy day but that all of that has now change to grey, cold days with sno
135 Yellowtail : MW doing a feasability study? You're joking right? Nevertheless all three would work from the number I see....especially if it connected to the BA fl
136 JM017 : Although I haven't done it in a while, it used to be a breeze for me. Do they now require connecting passengers to clear customs/immigration in MBJ w
137 AirJamaica : When connecting through MBJ from KIN, passengers have to again go through the security checks, removal of shoes, belt, empty pockets, remove lap-top
138 JM017 : Yup. I flew from KIN 6 days after 9/11 and it was just like that, even with the newly heightened security measures. As recently as 2005 it was like t
139 Post contains links JM079 : [quote=Yellowtail,reply=135] MW doing a feasability study? You're joking right? No, am not joking. It is a serious question. They are thinking of maki
140 AirJamaica : In general I only connect period if I really cannot do any better to get to my destination. Recently when I was planning my trip to ATL, I had the op
141 Post contains links AirJamaica : 1 million air seats '' THE Jamaica Tourist Board (JTB) is predicting one of the best ever winter tourist seasons this year, pegging its forecast mostl
142 Speedbird2263 : For some reason I couldn't get my mind wrapped around that as Im saying I would've heard about DL starting DXB. Maybe I did and just forgot about it.
143 Post contains links HummingBird : A video of JM016.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EY2VdyskYs The A300 was dispatched on the infamous MBJ-BWI-PHL route..It was also dispatched to LAX
144 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.tainocove.com/ The south coast of Jamaica which has positioned itself as a haven for eco-tourism has open up another hotel. This is a welco
145 AirJamaica : I remember JM's A300 was a common fixture on flight 041 MBJ-BWI-PHL daily. IIRC that flight also operated as JM 043 for a while. Both JM 011 and 017
146 HummingBird : This figure is for the first seven months....What I find interesting is the part that mentions the decrease is from long term arrivals..Am I surprise
147 Post contains links JM079 : The cruise industry is one area that was affected by the downtturn in the travel industry but according to officials in Jamaica they are hoping that t
148 Yellowtail : I was being facetious. Anyone who knows MW ...knows that MW management know nothing about running an airline....some suspect that the airline exists
149 Post contains links AirJamaica : Growing up in Jamaica, anyone who is really into aviation and happen to be at MBJ and/or KIN often will eventually master that art...lol. It kind of
150 Yellowtail : Yep....in our (BZE) case we still had to overnight in MBJ. If one had to overnight far cheaper to do so in MIA
151 HummingBird : Good memories.. Especially with Eastern Airlines..I have vivid memories of their commercials.. I would only expect success if EK were to acquire JM..
152 JM079 : I think you have forgotten that it is only recently that JM has done some right-sizing of its route network as in previous gateways such as BWI, PHL
153 HummingBird : The last time these routes operated daily was during the summer09..When the business plan was implemented, these routes were reduced to 4-5 weekly...
154 Post contains links JM079 : No doubt your observations are quite valid but I think that you are underestimating the tenacity and vibrancy of the market to accommodate the ever e
155 HummingBird : 2 Wow, a healthy debate, lol... Do they have the capacity to meet the demand?...It would be a first to see their A340 in KIN.. DOT Stats for Jun 2009
156 JM079 : LOL, yes, quite so. I should add that in making a determination as to where to invest all airlines, hotels, resorts and others will look at the long
157 AirJamaica : Much more would have to be done over time to develop that area into a real '' hip-strip'' and to change the over all image. Many locals visit Hellshi
158 HummingBird : JM BWI-MBJ 4538-4107 91% MBJ-BWI 4538-3863 85% FLL-KIN 14482-11429 79% KIN-FLL 14332-9552 66% FLL-MBJ 4652 4256 91% MBJ-FLL 4652 4061 87% JFK-KIN 9874
159 HummingBird : perhaps most of these charter carriers will fill the void until the strike is finished.. Maybe it will work for the regional tourism..It could become
160 AA1818 : Very impressive stats....It will be interesting to see the battle on some of the routes. B6 is inetering from JFK, BOS and FLL? AirTran is entering A
161 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.khuskhusnegril.com/index.html Negril has open a boutique hotel which is sits on that 7 miles of beautiful white sands. ...."Khus Khus, Negr
162 Post contains links JM079 : The Ministry of Tourism has given an indication of what sort of revenue that Jamaica has earned from the industry and what it expects to earn this yea
163 Yellowtail : Having just watch the 788 take flight, I can't help but wonder what one would look like in JM colors.
164 JM079 : We dont have the luxury to speculate , what we are concern with is seeing it to it that it can stand on its own. Hahaha, - but it would be interestin
165 Post contains links and images Beeweel15 : Aviation-Design.Net:Design © oso blancoTemplate © ijsbeer
166 HummingBird : Impressive..Another addition for Negril....The sooner they rehabilitate that airfield the more increase in arrivals...I believe if the GOJ should ope
167 Yellowtail : Thanks Beewee15....that is one gorgeous 788.....can GoJ spring for one or 2.....hell what is another 300million in debt?
168 AirJamaica : Impressive June stats there for JM. As usual when you compare it with the others, there is proof that the entry of B6 into MBJ has actually been bene
169 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20091216/lead/lead2.html The winter season began yesterday and Air Jamaica passengers from BWI were the first t
170 Post contains links AirJamaica : Sangster beefs up staff to deal with increased traffic '' MONTEGO BAY, St James -- Fernando Bosque, the chief executive officer of MBJ Airports Ltd, o
171 HummingBird : Also MBJ/KIN- HAV.. Yes they did operate KIN to CUR..At that time airlines were not so generous with excess bags and additional bags had to be shippe
172 Post contains links SCL767 : CARIBBEAN AIRLINES ACQUISITION OF AIR JAMAICA CLOSE TO MATERIALIZATION: "Jamaican Prime Minister Bruce Golding flew into Trinidad yesterday to hold em
173 AirJamaica : CU still serves both KIN & MBJ ...no ? Lets hope these loads keep up throughout. DL's KIN inaugural is Sat 19th correct ? Impressive loads.
174 Post contains links HummingBird : Only as charters.. It started earlier on Dec 12,2009.. Here is a link.. http://jtbonline.org/Lists/Industry%...ine%2Eorg%2Fpages%2Fdefault%2Easpx I a
175 Speedbird2263 : Well it's confirmed that the report of the PM flying down there to hold talks on JM with CAL is true. I'm watching the Parliament Talk on the tele as
176 JM079 : THE GOJ HAS ANNOUNCED THE FOLLOWING MEASURES REGARDS STATE ASSETS. 1/The Prime Minister has just announced that the GoJ has set in motion the necessar
177 BW424 : Great post Speedbird2263! I applaud you for you objectivity. Hopefully this wil not turn into the fiasco the JM divestment experienced. If this is re
178 HummingBird : Am only happy that Ed is working fervently to increase the tourist arrivals..Whatever happens, happens..All the best to the new investors.. Am confus
179 SCL767 : Correct 424! The IMF will not release any funds to the GOJ until JM is fully divested! Well the GOJ will increase taxes soon in Jamaica to keep JM in
180 Post contains links JM079 : The Parliament is still in session and there is alive feed - in response to a member question about the IMF agreement which is to be signed the PM ha
181 HummingBird : Why close 2011?.. What if the company is sold to CAL.... BTW..I realise this is a very delicate topic..Unlike the past we will refrain from having pe
182 A340Jamaica : They may as well be closed if that is the reality Hummingbird. B6, DL etc. are showing every indication that they will fill the void if that eventual
183 Post contains images Speedbird2263 : I am very passionate about our aviation industry and I view those of us that are enthusiasts and those of us directly related to the industry, especi
184 HummingBird : I had the same discussion with another member recently..There have been posts that mentioned JM's market share is eroding and the company is loosing
185 SCL767 : What if JM simply shuts its doors and BW sets up a KIN base? Why wouldn't Jamaicans fly on a Caribbean Airlines flight with a KIN based crew? I am qu
186 BW424 : This, I believe, is a big misconception. You don't really know what will happen till it actually happens. I remember when CAL started, you can say th
187 HummingBird : Valid points...But IMO, what I see happeneing in Kingston is fierce competition on the market...KIN when compared to POS has far more competition..On
188 A340Jamaica : I fail to understand the interest of CAL in JM in what will eventually be a losing entity? I do not believe that JM or CAL operating a hub in Jamaica
189 Post contains images Speedbird2263 : Which is exactly what I believe JM needs at the moment. Look at B6, are they not deemed an LCC? However they have decent seats/interior, service, IFE
190 SCL767 : From the U.S. that is correct! But AA has the monopoly on KIN-MIA, KX has the monopoly on the GCM-KIN/MBJ routes, no service to BZE and PAP, and JM h
191 Caribbean484 : I would like to thank everyone for keeping the discussion clean As for this scenario, GOTT will not go for anything less than for a major control inte
192 JM079 : From all indications JM will cease by next year as this attempt to get Trinidad to inject capital will not materialise as the main blocking stone is
193 BW424 : Agreed. Brand doesn't save an entity! And yes, KIN has more competition on the JFK route now than POS. Key word is NOW. Remember JM had JFK-KIN-JFK e
194 Beeweel15 : I do agree with that. I even worked at one of the airlines that flew for one of those tour operators. And we did operate DC-10 and MD-11 a/c to POS.
195 A340jamaica : You can look up any number of reputable business articles re the airline industry that back up my statement that this industry has never over the lon
196 HummingBird : Yes, it is all possible, but at what cost..Am not going to touch on the topic of re fleeting as that is another thread on it's own... Am pretty posit
197 Post contains links AirJamaica : Bolt to star in tourism commercials '' Bartlett explained that the photo shoot for the commercial was done two-and-a-half weeks ago at various locatio
198 A340jamaica : What I am puzzled by is the interest in one government being interested in a separate government run airline. I mean, let's be real here, we know it
199 HummingBird : Am happy he finally commited to doing these commercials.. Cool.. They currently codeshare with JM on certain flights, but you will see rare charters
200 HummingBird : An update on the East Coast Storm.. UA has cancelled the flight from IAD....ORD is enroute.... JM 040 is delayed... ----------------------------------
201 Post contains links JM079 : Like yourself, I listened with interest in what he had to say for several reasons but the most inportant one at this stage is the JM divestment. Ther
202 SCL767 : JM079, something definitive has indeed emerged! Trinidad helped the entire CARICOM community by getting Jamaica out of Petrocaribe! His visits to bot
203 Post contains links JM079 : I open the thread and see in the Caribbean Forum that the sale of Air Jamaica is now a done deal as in a matter of hours the many issues that had conf
204 Yankeejuliet : The new JM-BW airline, when formed, should seek fifth freedom rights within the USA in order to protect caribbean tourism as there will be no U S dome
205 SCL767 : BW continues to hold certain route authorities via KIN/MBJ that will enable it to compete effectively with the U.S. majors. Also, feed from certain C
206 Yankeejuliet : Agreed but this does not address the possible onward flights to secondary cities where potential tourists reside. Also flights between U S cities wil
207 SCL767 : BW had fifth freedom rights between BWI and BOS in the past. The airline could potentially operate certain flights in such a fashion if deemed profit
208 Beeweel15 : Domestic flights will not be allowed. Now the could land at lets say JFK then fly on to lets say KCI. Of your 150 pax You will drop off 140 JFK pax a
209 HummingBird : Don't worry, with our expanding tourism market, Jamaica will be the next Dominican Republic..The US market is and willl be well covered by US carrier
210 Yankeejuliet : This was an isolated arangement which did not last. U S airlines can now apply to caribbean aviation authorities to expand services as they desire, a
211 Post contains links JM079 : The snow storm that is now blanketing the east coast has affected Air Jamaica JM 11/17/45/41. Flights out of KIN and MBJ are now schedule for an early
212 SCL767 : But what happens when there are only three legacy carriers from the U.S.? That's just how it is in the U.S. However, certain countries will not let U
213 OP3000 : I agree. And there's really no reason to leave PetroCaribe, even if TT is now offering preferential sales on petroleum. They can have both and purcha
214 JM079 : Since Jamaica signed on to it, Air Jamaica has been getting benefits in such ways as reduced rate in fuel and has gained access to the Petro Caribe F
215 Caymanair : I move to re-unite the two threads, even if only for a short time. Do the "I"'s have it? Regardless of what may or may not work out, it would be nice
216 A340Jamaica : Just took a read of the Caribbean thread that I have not been following in quite a while to see what their take is on the situation. It is funny that
217 BW424 : Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. We will never know till it actually happens. Also, what I fail to understand is your sudden loss of confidenc
218 JM079 : The decision that was taken last year to open the Jamaica thread was base on what we saw as Jamaica as a vibrant and strong brand. We have a thriving
219 Post contains links JM079 : 1/ IMF ORDERS AIR JAMAICA TO BE CLOSED IN THREE MONTHS TIMES 2/ INDIGO DEAL WITH AIR JAMAICA WOULD INCREASE DEBT OF THE COUNTRY country would have to
220 Post contains links HummingBird : New thread is ready.. Destination: Floyd's Pelican.Jamaican Thread # 22 (by HummingBird Dec 20 2009 in Civil Aviation)
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