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Will United Ever Return To India?  
User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 493 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8802 times:

Maybe a IAD-DEL flight? It would fit into their strategy of capital to capital.

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User currently offlineUnited1P From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8741 times:

well CO has EWR-DEL, and because of there new codeshare agreement (don't know if it applies here) and their entrance into star, I don't think it would make sense for UA to start back up in India


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User currently offline777law From Monaco, joined Jul 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8662 times:

Been wondering that myself recently. I agree with the post above - that a codeshare with CO to DEL or BOM (if not already in the works) is probably more likely than UA returning in the near future. That said, an LAX / SFO-NRT-DEL / BOM flight may be interesting an interesting possibility for service from the west coast.


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8548 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8595 times:

In the future it is inevitable. India will be on a par with (possibly bigger than) Japan in terms of business and tourism. Since UA and CO both serve Tokyo, it is a given that they will eventually serve India together... maybe in 10 years' time.

The same is true of IAD-PEK of course; eventually it will start back up.

If United is still around.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2976 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8402 times:

I dont understand why they shouldnt operate or why it doesnt make sense for UA to fly to India, because CO is already flying there?!? LH also flies FRA-IAD/SFO/LAX/ORD and both carrier still codeshare on eachothers flight. If the market it big enough (and here I think it is) it can support two or more carriers.

User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8334 times:

Am I missing something, or doesn't AA also fly to India still? ORD-DEL.

UAL


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8329 times:

I doubt it would happen in the short term. UA's fleet is stretched thin these days. Furthermore, yields to India have drastically fallen in the last couple years. As a case in point, DL's JFK-BOM was initially a gold mine. AI, CO, and others rushed to increase service, and now DL has pulled out of BOM all together (other than AMS-BOM). There is a lot of excess capacity in India at the moment, although this could change once the economy rebounds.

User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8325 times:

UA's got India sewn up pretty well with their feed arrangement with LH via FRA/MUC. I was on a ORD-FRA UA flight last week, and it seemed like a large number of the passengers were Indian origin - probably connecting to LH's numerous Indian flights around noon every day.

I recall they have some kind of revenue share with LH on the transatlantic sectors as well - hence there's probably no reason for them to physically fly to India.

What UA can do is to probably create a similar arrangement on the Pacific side as well - though NH has measly India ops, and TG/ SQ would mean a minimal 3 stop route to India if flying UA metal trans-pacific.



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User currently offlineAAExecPlat From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 635 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8208 times:

Folks.

As someone who has worked with many Indians in IT capacities, it is my understanding that LH OWNS the India market both from Europe, as well as from the US. If you don't believe me, take a look at the LH flight from IAH to FRA on any given day, where more than 75% of all pax are transferring in FRA for India/Pakistan.

I have been told that the reason LH is the preferred airline for expatriated Indians in the US is that the service is good, prices are reasonable, and the food is among the best and culturally sensitive among all airlines.

With this established, United isn't going to get enough traction to have their own flights, but they can just keep sending that traffic to LH and codeshare. Much better for everyone involved.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8201 times:

United needs to figure out a way to connect San Francisco with India.


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User currently offlineHohd From United States of America, joined May 2008, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8118 times:



Quoting AAExecPlat (Reply 8):
Folks.

As someone who has worked with many Indians in IT capacities, it is my understanding that LH OWNS the India market both from Europe, as well as from the US. If you don't believe me, take a look at the LH flight from IAH to FRA on any given day, where more than 75% of all pax are transferring in FRA for India/Pakistan.

I have been told that the reason LH is the preferred airline for expatriated Indians in the US is that the service is good, prices are reasonable, and the food is among the best and culturally sensitive among all airlines.

With this established, United isn't going to get enough traction to have their own flights, but they can just keep sending that traffic to LH and codeshare. Much better for everyone involved.

That may be true a few years ago. But since QR and EK have introduced flights, especially in JFK, IAD, IAH, LAX, SFO the traffic on LH bound for India (from US) has fallen. With fares around $700 to 1200 RT, LH is in no position to match it all the time. The same is true with AF and KL. And will the addition of ORD to EY's network, and with EY's expansion in India, the same will be true for ORD as well.

Contrary to the belief, the inflight service (especailly food) on LH is mediocre at best, the inflight service on AI, Jet Airways, EK and QR are much better than LH on the India flights.


User currently offlineJayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1029 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 7953 times:

Well EK, EY, QR offers a better connection so why chose UA?
Choosing UA will be like paying J flying Y...my experience..

[Edited 2009-11-23 08:58:13 by jayeshrulz]


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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 7934 times:



Quoting Hohd (Reply 10):
Contrary to the belief, the inflight service (especailly food) on LH is mediocre at best, the inflight service on AI, Jet Airways, EK and QR are much better than LH on the India flights.

The food's OK - the "cultural" aspects are trickier. Most Indians are used to being pampered on board, and while LH's crew is "curt and friendly" - going out of their way to please a demanding Indian pax is not their cup of tea.



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User currently offlineAAExecPlat From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 635 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 7883 times:



Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 11):

That's sort of what I was thinking. IF LH owned the market and the new entrants are even better service and route wise, how can United ever compete?

SP


User currently offlineRameshksm From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 7812 times:



Quoting AAExecPlat (Reply 8):
it is my understanding that LH OWNS the India market both from Europe, as well as from the US.

I presume you mean the India market from the US East Coast/Midwest/Texas. And then too, that is debatable.

And with EK stepping up their play for the India market by serving more destinations in India and providing pretty convenient transfers at DXB, and EY and QR getting on to the game as well, even if LH did "own" it at one point, those days are long gone.

As for IFE/meals...give me EK or SQ any day and twice on Sunday.


User currently offlineAAExecPlat From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 635 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7760 times:



Quoting Rameshksm (Reply 15):

THat's indeed what I meant. But even from the West Coast, there are plenty of Indian expatriates who like flying LH. That said, I agree that EK and EY, QR have made LH's life a lot less pleasant and offer great options to LH.


User currently offlineJayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1029 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7735 times:

haha...
UA please dont step into Indian Market unless you want to worsen your current reputation!    

[Edited 2009-11-23 10:02:04 by jayeshrulz]


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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7672 times:

The flight would probably be chalk full of non revs.


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User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7622 times:

At the moment, I don't see what UA has to add. Nothing much.

But 10-15 years down the road, the tables may turn. Currently, only a couple nonstops work on 777s - JFK/EWR/ORD and DEL/BOM. As the market grows over time, more point-point flying (US to India) may become viable with 787s. In 15 years, maybe something like EWR-ATQ, IAD-BLR might fill a 787 a few times a week. When that happens, people opting for BA/LH/AF or EK/QR/EY connections would look instead to US, Canadian or Indian carriers.

Improved international-domestic connections due to new airports in India will also play a role.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25372 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7533 times:



Quoting AAExecPlat (Reply 16):
I agree that EK and EY, QR have made LH's life a lot less pleasant and offer great options to LH.

I would avoid EK in Y class due to their cramped 10-abreast 777s, something you don't have to worry about on LH.


User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4285 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7369 times:
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Quoting United1P (Reply 1):
well CO has EWR-DEL, and because of there new codeshare agreement (don't know if it applies here) and their entrance into star, I don't think it would make sense for UA to start back up in India

Probably more to the point, United Airlines codeshares with Qatar Airways at IAD.

Through its hub at Doha, QR connects not only to DEL, but also to AMD, ATQ, BOM, CCK, COK, GOI, HYD and TRV in India and also DAC in Bangladesh, CMD in Sri Lanka, and ISB, KHI, and LHE in Pakistan.

United Airlines *already* has many destination available in South Asia through its codeshare with Qatar Airways.  sun 

[Edited 2009-11-23 14:36:52]

User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4285 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7228 times:
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Quoting KGAIflyer (Reply 20):
Through its hub at Doha, QR connects not only to DEL, but also to AMD, ATQ, BOM, CCK, COK, GOI, HYD and TRV in India

I'm reminded backchannel
that I've left MAA off the list
of cities in India served by QR.


User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7182 times:



Quoting KGAIflyer (Reply 20):
Probably more to the point, United Airlines codeshares with Qatar Airways at IAD.

Through its hub at Doha, QR connects not only to DEL, but also to AMD, ATQ, BOM, CCK, COK, GOI, HYD and TRV in India and also DAC in Bangladesh, CMD in Sri Lanka, and ISB, KHI, and LHE in Pakistan.

United Airlines *already* has many destination available in South Asia through its codeshare with Qatar Airways.

United puts its "UA" code only on the following flights ex- DOH to the Indian sub continent.

LHE, ISB, KHI, PEW, CMB.

UA does not have its code on any of QR's flights to India, Bangladesh, Nepal.



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User currently offlineFlyFitch From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7141 times:

It would be great if they added India. United has been adding so many great international destinations lately, I really think they are truly trying harder these days to be the United we all remember (worldwide service, better quality etc.)

Although, I'm sure that currently connecting their passengers with their Star Alliance partners on the India routes is working just fine.



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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7095 times:

Given their current and surprising international expansions, I wouldn't rule it out, but I don't think India is high on their priority list. UA seems far more interested in going where few or no other US carriers are going: Middle East and Africa. I think TLV, CAI or somewhere else in Africa will come before India. With AI in Star, the LH and other codeshares, (now CO as well), there's no rush. India is tricky, and UA pulled out before because they couldn't compete with AI's cheap and popular 1-stop fares via Europe.

Also, if UA were to add an Indian destination, it would probably be out of IAD. This station seems to be the focus of international growth.

[Edited 2009-11-23 16:22:11]

25 Tharanga : UA had DEL from 1995-1999 through LHR and hong kong, no? they tried again in 2001 and gave up after 9/11; was that a nonstop from ORD or JFK, or thro
26 DC8FanJet : While there may be a "growing" market to India, unless it has changed dramatically, the yield isn't there. Air India is struggling for a reason. I hav
27 Tharanga : Air India struggles for reasons that are unique to Air India, and should not be seen as representative. The better indication is how the European car
28 UA772IAD : Yes. It was part of an around the world routing. IIRC India was served VIA LHR or maybe even IAD on the 744 before it was discontinued. The Eastbound
29 KGAIflyer : Because QR also codeshare with LH perhaps? Oddly, once QR-ticketed passengers reach IAD, they *cannot* transfer to AC in order to reach YOW, YUL., or
30 AAExecPlat : Have you been on LH's 744s? Pretty cramped for my taste...
31 United1 : DEL was served as part of a round the world flight that routed via LHR and HKG. UA also was set to launch an ORD-DEL flight prior to 9/11 but it was
32 Norcal773 : SQ is up there too from the West coast, maybe more so than LH. I've flown SQ1/2 and SQ15/16 countless of times and at any given point, 60% of the pas
33 BMI727 : Jet already tried that via PVG and it was a complete failure. Only lasted a few months I think. The way I see it, there is no huge need for UA to fly
34 Timz : The 2001 flight was flights 1 and 2: LAX-HKG-DEL-LHR-IAD-LAX and back.
35 Viscount724 : Yes I have. There's no comparison between a 10-abreast 747 and a 10-abreast 777. Seats, armrests, aisles are narrower on the 777 and it's very notice
36 Aarbee : Wow! Did not realize that ATL-BOM as stopped completely. When did this happen? R
37 Aarbee : Not just US but secondary cities in India like Ahmedabad, Goa, Bangalore, Hyderabad, 3-Kerala, Amritsar (future) . And many of these places there are
38 Viscount724 : I believe the last ATL-BOM flight was October 21.
39 Gr8Circle : So where does DL fly from, to BOM? Is it back to JFK....?
40 Viscount724 : No, they had planned to move the flight back to JFK but dropped that plan due to the current weak market situation. As mentioned in another reply, th
41 AADC10 : I think there was a lot of interest in India from former UA executive Rono Dutta but after he was pushed out UA has not had much interest in such a sa
42 Mk777 : Well forget about IAD-DEL for a while. Lets see how AI does on its IAD-JFK-DEL flight that begins Dec 1st. I am sure with AI joing *A in March (hopefu
43 Norcal773 : I just flew SQ2 a couple of hours ago and my previous statement remains the same. A good 70% of the pax were traffic to India.
44 Tharanga : would anybody really fly AI, DEL-JFK-IAD, and then connect again on UA to somewhere else? I doubt it. Star Alliance pax would be more likely to fly C
45 RJpieces : You'd be surprised the weird routes people get through travel agents still. On my last UA IAD-JFK flight there were two (non-related) passengers flyi
46 Post contains images Jayeshrulz : well...travel agents    well..i will better opt for QR..they are the BEST!! their service is Awesome....and AI's is ok   [Edited 2009-11-28 09:56:
47 Viscount724 : I wouldn't call that a weird routing. The fare via JFK was probably lower than using the direct flight from IAD. Multi-stop routings are usually chea
48 CHI787ORD : I always thought ORD-DEL-BOM would be an interesting possible routing for UA.
49 Bobnwa : I would be willing to bet they were flying on consolidator type tickets which are hardly a good yield ticket for the airline.
50 Tharanga : ok, so somebody might take such a routing, but can you count on enough people doing it, and paying enough money for it, for it to really help AI's bo
51 Colts001 : UA is unofficially flying to India already, if you fly IAD-DXB flight there is a big chunk of Indians flying this route and they connect to India thro
52 Chase : US-bound tourism...agreed. Business travel in either direction...agreed. But US-originating tourism...let me start by saying that I am an American an
53 SurfandSnow : I imagine UA will be back in India once they start getting some new aircraft. I'm not sure they have the right plane for such a service right now (744
54 Jayeshrulz : Unless they refurbish their Biz class with 2-3-2 config or 2-2-2 config,like its competitors...or go herringbone like VS and DL...which is a boring c
55 AADC10 : I do not believe it has anything to do with new aircraft. It depends on profitability. Right now a route to India would be a money loser and would pr
56 IrishAyes : How come the AC YYZ-DEL flight failed so miserably yet AA, CO and AI have made their nonstops work? Even rerouting through ZRH did not work for AC.
57 Nimish : I think Canada-India traffic is more VFR in nature and less business oriented (than US-India traffic). That would have had a role to play. That being
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