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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

Reading about Delta's plans to install live-TV on pretty much all of their aircraft except the MD-88 fleet, it made me wonder what aircraft Delta will eventually place on the DCA-LGA Shuttle routes if they do in fact bring it back to mainline.

If they put the A-319s on it, it will be very cool having PTVs on the Shuttle. If they put the MD-88s back on it, it will be a nice return to how the Shuttle was before they switched to Shuttle America.

Anybody have insights into what Delta might do?

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User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3292 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

Wifi is more useful than PTV for the shuttle market. Nonetheless neither will get much use because of the amount of time the planes spend above 10000ft on the route. You'd get maybe 20 minutes of use on either.

Given the competition from Amtrak and US, the 175's work for now. Tho' I do miss the dedicated Shuttle product....


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

The Shuttle is going to stay on E-175s and MD-88's for the forseeable future. If anything look for more 175's to replace MD-88's.

As Toltommy says, with the competition and Amtrak, they aren't the lucrative routes they used to be. A319/A320s are much better flying longer routes and are not ideal for the shuttle routes. PTVs and wifi are not critical for the Shuttle due to the short distance. Business travelers could care less about PTVs on these routes.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3067 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
The Shuttle is going to stay on E-175s and MD-88's for the forseeable future.

Even with a big Delta expansion at LGA? I really hope not. I just flew the Delta Shuttle today and it is pathetic compared to how it used to be.

I will try to fly the US Shuttle from now on...


User currently offlineMogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

not so sure about WiFi.... recent studies have already shown that people aren't willing to pay for WiFi on short flights (< 3 hrs), so unless they offer WiFi for free, who will use it ? At only 1 hr long, i'm sure those people can live without WiFi for that duration.

Quoting Toltommy (Reply 1):


Wifi is more useful than PTV for the shuttle market. Nonetheless neither will get much use because of the amount of time the planes spend above 10000ft on the route. You'd get maybe 20 minutes of use on either.

Given the competition from Amtrak and US, the 175's work for now. Tho' I do miss the dedicated Shuttle product....



User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3004 times:



Quoting RJpieces (Reply 3):
Even with a big Delta expansion at LGA? I really hope not. I just flew the Delta Shuttle today and it is pathetic compared to how it used to be.

I will try to fly the US Shuttle from now on...

Personal preference, however the shuttle experiences aren't significantly different one vs other. Edge would go to MAT and DL, however that's changing.



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6475 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2931 times:



Quoting RJpieces (Reply 3):
I just flew the Delta Shuttle today and it is pathetic compared to how it used to be.

What was the DL shuttle lacking, that it used to have? Do you think that the US shuttle will have it, whatever it was?


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23022 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2902 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 1):
Wifi is more useful than PTV for the shuttle market. Nonetheless neither will get much use because of the amount of time the planes spend above 10000ft on the route. You'd get maybe 20 minutes of use on either.

Great point. It's also worth remembering that US and MQ (to the extent that MQ competes with Shuttle) aren't going to have PTVs for the foreseeable future.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2807 times:



Quoting RJpieces (Reply 3):
Even with a big Delta expansion at LGA? I really hope not. I just flew the Delta Shuttle today and it is pathetic compared to how it used to be.

If anything the DL LGA slot swap will help preserve the DL Shuttle, not necessarily increase demand for the service. Demand for the shuttle like it once was has been deteriorating steadily for years.

DL's LGA expansion isn't going to drive a ton of connecting traffic from DCA or BOS, its primarily for O&D.

You would also have to be insane to want to connect over LGA.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2734 times:



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 5):
Personal preference, however the shuttle experiences aren't significantly different one vs other.

Of course it is personal preference. But I don't know anyone who would choose a smaller, cramped E-170 over a mainline A-319...They are significantly different in terms of comfort of the airplane now.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 5):
Edge would go to MAT and DL, however that's changing.

True. US will be more compelling than ever....Unless Delta switches it back to a mainline jet.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 6):
What was the DL shuttle lacking, that it used to have? Do you think that the US shuttle will have it, whatever it was?

Up until about a year ago, the Delta Shuttle had a dedicated fleet that had one-class all leather seats with generous legroom. The service on board consisted of free beer, and a nice snack pack. But the one-class dedicated fleet was really what made it wonderful.

The US Shuttle got rid of the one-class service around 2002 or 2003, so it has been normal mainline two-class A319s since then. So for the past few years, Delta had a major advantage in its Shuttle product. But then they announced that they were switching it to mainline two-class MD-88s, and then shortly thereafter they switched it to Shuttle America E-170s which are cramped and uncomfortable.

I would say that US clearly has the superior product today...Even if it is not as nice as Delta's was for the past few years.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23022 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2699 times:



Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
They are significantly different in terms of comfort of the airplane now.

How so? The 170 has no middle seats, and is generally roomier (because of the "double bubble" fuselage shape). The Y seats are also half an inch wider on the 170.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2602 times:



Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
Shuttle America E-170s which are cramped and uncomfortable

That's odd - I hear several times daily (even on the shuttle) how passengers feel they have much more legroom on the E175 compared to other mainline planes. The majority of shuttle passengers don't seem to mind, however, the biggest complaint is no rear deplaning. At least that's the most frequent one I've heard. (Does US Shuttle offer that?)


User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2556 times:



Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):

Of course it is personal preference. But I don't know anyone who would choose a smaller, cramped E-170 over a mainline A-319...They are significantly different in terms of comfort of the airplane now

You do now. The E-170 has larger windows and no middle seats. The seats in both aircraft are the same width.


User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3292 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2536 times:



Quoting MogandoCI (Reply 4):
not so sure about WiFi.... recent studies have already shown that people aren't willing to pay for WiFi on short flights

As I said, you'd get maybe 20 minutes use. Acela and US don't offer free wi-fi, maybe DL could, even if it is a short period of use. But I would assume that a lot of the shuttle crowd carries a wireless card anyway. The split fleet would make it hard to offer wi-fi on all DL shuttle flights.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
DL's LGA expansion isn't going to drive a ton of connecting traffic from DCA or BOS, its primarily for O&D.

Yet DL calls LGA a hub, not a focus city. I would imagine the priority is on connecting traffic from smaller NE cities, but the BOS-LGA shuttle could make mileage runs easier from DCA and/or BOS.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
I would say that US clearly has the superior product today

Superior? That's hardly ever said about the US inflight product vs anyone. More consistent is probably the better term. The mainline/regional mix probably is to DL's product disadvantage.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
Shuttle America E-170s which are cramped and uncomfortable.

You could do a search of Anet, and those would probably be one of the most infrequent sentences written here.


User currently offlineKith From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

How about cell phones on the shuttle only?

User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

I've heard we're looking into WiFi.

One of the big issues, as stated, is the stage length. I've done the Shuttle at least 4 days each of the last four months. Even with bad weather (always low vis and rain when I go to DCA for some reason) I've never had more than 30 minutes in the air. This is important, because going to DCA there are some special rules like staying seated for the 30 minutes prior to, and after arrival.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
Of course it is personal preference. But I don't know anyone who would choose a smaller, cramped E-170 over a mainline A-319...They are significantly different in terms of comfort of the airplane now.

Yeah, I'm biased. But with an average of 12 deadheads a month on everything mainline and regional, I'll take a 170 over any mainline aircraft short of a 777 in business class.



DMI
User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 9 hours ago) and read 2232 times:



Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 15):
This is important, because going to DCA there are some special rules like staying seated for the 30 minutes prior to, and after arrival.

This disappeared years ago....


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 2173 times:



Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
Shuttle America E-170s which are cramped and uncomfortable.

Only the Canadian made E-170s are cramped and uncomfortable.  duck 



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2065 times:



Quoting IndyWA (Reply 16):
This disappeared years ago....

Check out the note you sign next time you do the shuttle. It's still on there  Smile



DMI
User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1973 times:



Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 18):
Check out the note you sign next time you do the shuttle. It's still on there

It might be on there, but it's no longer enforced. I've had many a shuttle flight with the seatbelt sign off on it.


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