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DL To Launch SAN-HNL  
User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2669 posts, RR: 9
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11352 times:

757 service. Scheds referenced in post below.

[Edited 2009-11-23 22:12:42]

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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11332 times:
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I'll believe it when I see it.

Filler.


User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 883 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11175 times:

Can you give us a hint of when?

I think for those in SAN, it has been somewhat expected for a while now…


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11140 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 1):
I'll believe it when I see it.

Service starts June 3, 2010.


User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1523 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11069 times:

If this is true. It will be another market UA just gave away to Northwest/Delta. They gave away Seattle, Portland, and now San Diego to HNL.

User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 883 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10985 times:



Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 4):
If this is true. It will be another market UA just gave away to Northwest/Delta. They gave away Seattle, Portland, and now San Diego to HNL.

UA served HNL-SAN once a week on and off for two years. If this is true, Delta will be resuming service to HNL, they flew SAN-HNL from the Western merger in 1987 until April 30, 1995. Not really sure UA had SAN-HNL to give away.

It will be interesting to see what kind of frequency this will be and how HA responds, if at all.


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10989 times:

Delta 1831

Dep SAN 5:45pm
Arr HNL 8:45pm
Boeing 757

Delta 1870

Dep HNL 10:00pm
Arr SAN 6:50am
Boeing 757

Straight from Delta.com


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10936 times:

Quoting C767P (Reply 5):
Not really sure UA had SAN-HNL to give away.

Considering they had a contract with Pleasant Hawaiian Vacations for weekly service from SEA and SAN to HNL for two years, I'd say UA did give it away, even if it was low-yielding vacation traffic.

[Edited 2009-11-23 22:26:03]


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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10856 times:
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Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 4):
Seattle, Portland, and now San Diego to HNL.

How do you guys figure that UA gave SEA-HNL and PDX-HNL service to DL? NW had been flying the routes for years.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10841 times:



Quoting C767P (Reply 5):
If this is true, Delta will be resuming service to HNL, they flew SAN-HNL from the Western merger in 1987 until April 30, 1995.

True......the flight originated in SLC with a Tristar.



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2586 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10836 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 6):
Delta 1831

Dep SAN 5:45pm
Arr HNL 8:45pm
Boeing 757

Delta 1870

Dep HNL 10:00pm
Arr SAN 6:50am
Boeing 757

Straight from Delta.com

added utilization, using an early terminator. Similar to what CO is doing at SNA. Not being the best departure times, we'll see how DL does in a non-monopoly market vs. a HA widebody.


User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 836 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10768 times:

If anyone gave it away, it was DL since they dropped it back in the 1990s.

User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 883 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10776 times:



Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 10):
Not being the best departure times

I have never been to Hawaii, so maybe I am not the best to comment on this, but they seem to actually be pretty decent times. Instead of arriving at 1:00 pm as you do with HA right now (or if you were to take DL up to LA and make the first connection, you arrive around 12:30 pm), you arrive in the evening, so depending how you look at it, you start your vacation the next day instead of using half that day to travel. The redeye return gives the option of staying in Hawaii an extra day…

Also, why go head to head with HA?


User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 883 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10752 times:



Quoting JohnClipper (Reply 11):
If anyone gave it away, it was DL since they dropped it back in the 1990s.

DL dropped it 4/30/95. Seeing that it took six years until someone else started SAN-HNL, not really sure they “gave it away” either.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1911 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10741 times:

Doesn't seem like a good arrival time in HNL. Good to see DL add to HNL, but this one is a little strange.

User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10625 times:

Cool news for SAN, I knew eventually NW (and by extension DL) had to fill that last major gap in their West Coast-HNL services. Of course, as always, I wish it was a widebody, but in this economic climate, it's great to just see a new service!


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User currently offlineAv8orwalk From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10590 times:

I've never been to Hawaii, but I'm assuming that hotels must be pretty darn cheap if people are willing to arrive at the hotel at 10pm or later.

Cheers,
Drew MCO



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3006 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10553 times:



Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 14):
Doesn't seem like a good arrival time in HNL.

On the contrary, people head right to the hotel and wake up the next morning to start their vacation. Better than arriving in the afternoon, when you have missed more than half of the activities. Then hurry to squeeze in anything you can.

Quoting Av8orwalk (Reply 16):
I've never been to Hawaii, but I'm assuming that hotels must be pretty darn cheap if people are willing to arrive at the hotel at 10pm or later.

Not necessarily. If people arrive in the p.m., they check-in and have already missed most activities anyway. They don't get much accomplished. Coming in the in the evening, you can check-in, sleep, have a great holiday. Then on departure day, either do late check-out, or check-out on time, and continue with the full day in Hawaii before heading to the airport for departure. I just did this time of flight to KOA. Perfect.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1911 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10437 times:



Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 17):
On the contrary, people head right to the hotel and wake up the next morning to start their vacation. Better than arriving in the afternoon, when you have missed more than half of the activities. Then hurry to squeeze in anything you can.

I know many do just that, but it's not the most convenient time to arrange transportation to the hotel, and remember that it won't feel like 10:00 PM for anyone arriving from the West Coast. I like arriving in HNL no later than the afternoon. Everything is up and bustling yet, and I have time to get settled in.


User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1175 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10082 times:

Shouldn't this topic read : DL to re-launch SAN-HNL?

User currently offlineUA76Heavy From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9547 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 6):
Delta 1870

Dep HNL 10:00pm
Arr SAN 6:50am
Boeing 757

It's inconvenient since hotel checkout time is 12 noon. A late checkout may give you until 3:00. So now you have to haul your luggage around with you unless you leave it with the bell captain and come back for it later. It's even worse if you have kids. Can't go to the beach, that's for sure.

As CALPSAF pointed out, DL is probably trying to squeeze more utilization out of what otherwise would be an idle aircraft.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6303 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9378 times:



Quoting UA76Heavy (Reply 20):
It's inconvenient since hotel checkout time is 12 noon. A late checkout may give you until 3:00.

This is pretty standard for Hawaii to mainland flights...leave at night and overnight to LAX,DFW,ORD,SLC,ATL,JFK,etc etc etc


User currently offlineMauiman31 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9147 times:
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Quoting UA76Heavy (Reply 20):
It's inconvenient since hotel checkout time is 12 noon. A late checkout may give you until 3:00. So now you have to haul your luggage around with you unless you leave it with the bell captain and come back for it later. It's even worse if you have kids. Can't go to the beach, that's for sure.

I agree. 10:00 p.m. would be too late for us. . . we book an AA late afternoon/early evening departure home via DFW or ORD (when it is back on seasonal schedule)

Quoting Av8orwalk (Reply 16):
I've never been to Hawaii, but I'm assuming that hotels must be pretty darn cheap if people are willing to arrive at the hotel at 10pm or later.

There are some recession bargins now, but everyone's view of cheap is different. We just booked another trip for summer and I really couldn't find any huge bargains for where we wanted to stay. . .

Good for DL and SAN with this new service!! I am at SAN several times a year. Love the airport and city. . .


User currently offlineCatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9150 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 9):

True......the flight originated in SLC with a Tristar.

Also used a DC-10 post Western merger:


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User currently offlineSdwranglers From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9053 times:

As a frequent traveler to Hawaii out of SAN, the new DL scheduling doesn't seem the best to me, especially for connecting to other islands. For me, HA wins the contest with the use of their widebody 767-300s now, the A330 starting in 2010 and the A350 in 2017.

25 WA707atMSP : Personally, I prefer an afternoon arrival into Hawaii. As soon as I get to my hotel, I go straight to the beach, which you can't do if you get to your
26 PSU.DTW.SCE : Interesting... This is utilization flying - using an aircraft that would otherwise RON in SAN. While its not the most ideal time to fly to Hawaii, it
27 MadDogJT8D : Is this route going to be flown with the ex-ATA Domestic ETOPS 757's or the ex-TWA's int'l ETOPS 757's? I'm not sure how many of the domestics DL has,
28 ThegreatRDU : If so a great use of aircraft then....now utilization doesn't really control costs it helps them from going to waste.....will a fare war ensue with H
29 PSU.DTW.SCE : Don't forget the NW ETOPS 757's. They are using the 75A and 75J on some of the NW West Coast Hawaii routes in addition the the 753.
30 C767P : If the return would be that inconvenient, why not book a return via LAX? With them re-starting SAN-LAX, you have options, which is always nice. When
31 Ramprat74 : United flew these routes in the past. They dropped them because they said they didn't make money, So NW comes in years later and starts flying them.
32 Azjubilee : This is great news... and the schedule matches the other west coast cities. Granted there is a morning option from SEA and morning and early afternoon
33 Fxramper : I'd give it till December before it goes off radar; 9pm arrival, seriously?
34 PSU.DTW.SCE : Seriously.....then check out these.... PDX, SFO, and LAX all have evening arrivals into HNL. Only LAX and SEA have earlier flights. Flight: NW 2217 V
35 C767P : It isn’t unheard of. AS does it from SEA, NW/DL does it from PDX, NW/DL and UA do it from SFO and UA, AA and DL all do it from LAX. How else do tho
36 LAXintl : United did not give anything away. Their previous brief weekend only flights were operated at the behest of a tour operator filing the flights. None
37 Hatbutton : I think of it more as the convenience on the other end. A 545pm flight out of SAN means you probably won't have to take a day off of work. Just head
38 BMI727 : If I recall correctly, most of the SoCal to Hawaii routes are the ex-ATA birds so my first guess would be that those would be used unless they can ro
39 Sfo212 : I am not a fan of late evening arrivals into Hawaii. I'd rather leave in the morning from the West Coast and get onto the beach by early afternoon. I
40 SANMAN66 : If the demand is there, DL is able to upgrade the 757 to a 763.
41 BMI727 : Or a 753 if one is available.
42 MSPNWA : Remember that in peak season SEA, LAX, and PDX usually have an earlier option(s), and those are very popular. We'll see if the afternoon PDX returns
43 WA707atMSP : I agree with you that none of the cities have been "core Hawaii gateways" for UA, but UA has had meaningful service from all three cities to HNL in t
44 TAN FLYR : IIRC, UA served HNL from SAN with DC-8-61/71's back in the 70's and I believe into the 80's.
45 Surfdog75 : Great to see DL flying these routes and utilizing aircraft that would RON. There's plenty of demand in SD. A 757-300 would be great on this route as i
46 Fxramper : Hawaii isn't a business destination, look at loads for flights on any carrier arrving in Hawaii after 8pm; not premium traffic. Where is SAN going to
47 Dl767captain : That's one of the most useless flights to HNL, if i want to go to hawaii i don't want to get there at 9 at night i want to get there mid day so i at l
48 C767P : DL will be offering their own flights on SAN-LAX, so why drive? If the AM flight to HNL is so important, do that. Unless you live in Oceanside, drivi
49 Jetlanta : OK...it's Network Planning 101 time. This roundtrip is what is called "utilization" flying. That means that an aircraft is being utilized that would o
50 LAXintl : Sure I suppose its good SAN gets another choice for Hawaii, but we need to look at this flight for what it is. This is simply low cost utilization fl
51 PSU.DTW.SCE : Bingo.... You are right on the award availability as well. Keep in mind people have varying schedules and needs and while it may not suit you, it may
52 CV880 : Plenty of people in the SAN area for two daily HNL flights. No need to drive to LAX for morning departure as SAN-LAX flights on DLX are on the sked.
53 DLflynhayn : Also it lets go to work if you can't get the day off like what usually happens to me then take any of the pm flts to HNL...And you won't have to wake
54 Bobnwa : Northwest Airlines started service from PDX and SEA to HNL on Nov 11, 1948. UA wasn't even on the horizon in those markets, so they hardly gave it aw
55 Surfdog75 : That would actually be a great advertisement in the local area. "New flight timed so you can enjoy the islands for 4 days and only call in sick for 2
56 UA772IAD : Interesting. The arrival time into SAN is convenient for O&D traffic. For connections however, it could be a problem. However, I imagine this was laun
57 ThegreatRDU : Did SAN pony up anything? they've had an incentive package thing going on.... I believe SAN can support 2x daily to HNL....
58 JAAlbert : It has? Jeez, I thought we were doomed to live like were at the end of a dirt road! As a SAN citizen I can't help feeling our city is like the unwant
59 SANMAN66 : The original DL SAN-HNL flight (inherited from Western) flew the exact same schedule. the L-10-11 arrived in SAN around 6am from HNL,and continued on
60 Post contains links C767P : Yes: http://www.san.org/documents/busines..._Air_Service_Incentive_Program.pdf http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...04/airport-creating-lure-carrie
61 SANFan : Boy am I late to this party! Pretty much everything's been said already but I will add a couple of agreements. This is great news; as has been said, n
62 SANMAN66 : The reason? Tijuana's close proximity to SAN. Tijuana's got Mexico covered.The Mexican carriers obviously don't want to serve both cities too close t
63 SANMAN66 : It's about time you got here SANFan! You could be right that this could be a response by Delta that AS is about to show up in town with a SAN-Hawaii
64 C767P : Oh, I know…but people like myself just don’t like to drive. Which is why I don’t understand wanting to drive to LAX to catch a flight when you
65 SANFan : Good evening, L. Yeah, no internet for a day-and-a-half and look what happens?! There has been nothing concrete from AS yet but there has been some "
66 CALPSAFltSkeds : If you read the fine print on the san.org site, since the route is already served, DL can only get the marketing incentive, not the landing fees. The
67 DeltaL1011man : Not sure how much more they will add, More flights to LAX and an upgrade on HNL(753 is more likely than a 763 IMO) is about it(save for stuff they do
68 ThegreatRDU : Yes it was like a 20 something min drive from El Cajon...but obviously in the day time..we went and got a bunch of goods for cheap....it was nice...o
69 RwSEA : I don't really understand all the comments about the flight times in this post. These flight times are actually very typical for West Coast - Hawaii f
70 UA772IAD : Neither do I.... I suppose it all depends on your schedule (not yours personally... lol) and preferences. If travelling East bound, you loose an enti
71 Hawaiian717 : You may not get to fly on them, but your packages and mail do. FedEx regularly sends the A300 to SAN.
72 BMI727 : You should move to St. Louis or Pittsburgh.
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